(iii) Proposed provisions specifying that the USPS shall not transmit mail-in or absentee ballots from any individual unless those individuals have been enrolled on a State-specific list described in subsection (b)(iv) of this section with the USPS pursuant to this subsection.
Is it legal to say “we need a revolution to overthrow Trump, and fast”?
Ask the French. They may have some pointers.
It depends on who’s hearing/reading it and if you consider their edicts legal.
Here it is Americans. Its time to put that love of liberty and freedom to the test. Or are you all going to sleep meme your way through a fascist power grab.
Kinda seems like we already did.
This is nothing. There are nightmarish depths yet to plumb.
Artemis II…space! We’re all going to space!
Voting Rights—>joink!!
Pulling an Orbán.
No, this is not that.
Orbán never fucked around with mail in voting in this way.
Hungary never got this bad.
LMAO. If the dems did this, the maga cunts would be like “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!” but daddy dumpy does it, and they’re probably rejoicing.
And the good Americans just passively accept. Who is the bigger problem?
Way to victim blame. Only psychopaths and sycophants pull this shit
Obviously the ones actually doing the horrible things are the bigger problem.
… Definitely the trump cult? Like yeah, you could argue that Democrats are also a problem, but the ‘bigger’ problem is pretty fucking obvious
Hard disagree. The. In MAGa Americans are passive AF right now. Sure, there is online complaining and the odd ineffective protest, but actual action to slow / break down MAGA? Nope. The Canadians are doing more than Americans and it was self organized not government. Imagine if Americans joined the MAGA boycott as it would cause chaos and bankruptcies which would get their attention. Money talks especially to the MAGA crowd. So while not all Americans are behaving as bad and as evil as MAGA, they are also not preventing the damage it is doing to themselves and the world either. Only Americans can save themselves and it is not looking good.
Hur dur where’s that 2nd amendment now hur dur <-- You rn, typing on the internet from thousands of miles away about how we’re not abandoning our lives to get shot by the secret service
But seriously, how is that supposed to work? Is the USPS supposed to open all the envelopes and determine if the voters are registered?
They just seize everything by default. They’ll get back to you later about which ones are illegal.
April… ah what the fuck
Well thats election interference
remember, every accusation is a confession.
Yeah that’s the point.
All this does for mail voters is require them to get their ballots earlier than usual. There are many reasons to hate Trump but this is not it.
Okay, you know you need your ballot mailed to you right? So what happens when they mail it late??
Nah, it’s pure vote tampering, well-worth hating the Republican administration for. People will forget, people have busy lives, much more than people will decide to send in the ballot early and they know that. As a bonus it would no longer give people a deadline to convene around – will the ballot be delivered in two days? Three? What about a mail delay? Idk how you could see this as anything but despicable thuggery.
It applies to all voters including those for him.
I don’t know what I wrote that indicates I care about who it favors, but that’s not the point. Mail-in voting increases voter turnout, so making mail-in voting harder or less accessible is vote suppression. Vote suppression is bad for democracy. That’s it.
Even if it affected his supporters more than others, it would still be a bad thing. If change is to happen democratically, it needs to be actually democratic (or as democratic as FPTP gets, anyway).
So you think voter suppression is ok, as long as it applies equally to everyone?
No I don’t, however I am pointing out that it disadvantages Trump voters just as much.
And I’m saying that that’s a pretty meaningless observation to make, unless you’re trying to defend voter suppression.
If so, why bother doing it? He didn’t issue a pointless executive order, did he? … Maybe your interpretation is incorrect.
So the USPS doesn’t have to do this, they don’t report to the president, and I don’t think this is in any way legal.
If the postmaster general follows this order I would hope anyone in Congress could haul him in and have him arrested.
States run elections, period, and this is blatant election tampering.
The postmaster was appointed during trump’s first term and was constantly trying to destroy the USPS then, and has been trying since.
They are sitting on a huge pension fund that team trump wants to embezzle or spend on war.
Biden admin did not push to get rid of him, so this was part of a bipartisan finance driven plan to destroy the USA.
One more Biden/Democratic failure. They had four years to get rid of that traitor who was systematically destroying the USPS, and after trying absolutely nothing, they were out of ideas, and he’s STILL there. They aren’t any more effective when they have power, than when they don’t. Fucking LOSERS.
Last admin didn’t do enough AND you have a child’s point of view of the nuance of that actual situation and the board of governors. Also, as others have pointed out, DeJoy is gone, but only to go back to privately grifting. Further, last admin was the most progressive of my lifetime, but it still wasn’t enough. You seem to gauge success based on your gut and guess what your gut is full of, friend?
Try not to speak with righteous, blustering confidence while your head is all the way up your ass… The words get muffled and it’s hard to hear you embarrassing yourself.
I gauge the success of the Biden administration, like all presidencies, based on its outcomes:
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Covid Vaccine Program: 100% success, or as much as possible since Trump encouraged the anti-vaxxers, and screwed up herd immunity.
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Post-Maga Economic Recovery Program: Every Democrat President has to open with an economic recovery plan to fix the mess left behind by EVERY Republican/MAGA president, and Biden’s was very successful.
With those two initiatives, Biden could have been in the Top 10 of presidents, but he had to do a good job for the rest of his term, which he didn’t.
After the Covid and Stimulus programs, his most urgent priority was to gain control of MAGA, and deal with them as the genuine National Security Threat that they had become. They had thrown a goddamned VIOLENT INSURRECTION, and tried to overthrow the government!
That happened only a couple of weeks before Biden took office. He would have been well within his Constitutional and legal rights to step off the podium after his Inauguration, and immediately ordered the round-up of all MAGA leadership, remanding them to Guantanamo Bay for extensive interrogation. What nation allows the leadership of a proven treasonous organization to wander totally free, and even openly plot to steal the NEXT election? It is literally the most egregious case of Presidential Malpractice I can think of.
And now MAGA is back, and Trump has taken a baseball bat into the World’s China Shop, because he’s trying to distract from the last 10 carefully balanced global and national institutions he’s destroyed. Now he’s working on the delicate oil/fertilizer/food balance, just so he can manipulate the markets, and make people forget the name Epstein, another major issue that the Biden administration badly neglected.
Trump was elected partially because Biden’s lack of action on the Epstein Files made many Republicans assume that it was because it was filled with Democrats, so they voted MAGA to get justice that the Dems wouldn’t offer. One more easily avoidable Biden failure.
MAGA came back because Biden was too weak to even look in the same direction of the worst National Security Threat since the Civil War, and for what? The simple reason is that Democrats are too obsessed with being polite to that very same National Security Threat. MAGA doesn’t deserve politeness nor respect, they deserve prison, or worse, and the Biden (and Democratic) Ostrich Doctrine has badly damaged the entire world.
It’s all about outcomes, and while Biden had a couple of successes, he blew it badly in some vitally important ones, and the primary outcome of the Biden administration was the recovery of MAGA.
For that, Biden’s legacy is justifiably ruined, and he will be permanently ensconced in the Bottom 10 of American Presidents.
I see the situation very clearly, while you’re still out there simping for the guy who had the best opportunity to stop MAGA’s rise, and didn’t even bother to acknowledge that they were a problem. And I’M the one with my head up my ass?
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He’s not still there though. But don’t worry! He was replaced by an equally shitty bootlicker
Sure, but it’s just one more major example of how infuriatingly weak the Biden administration was. They didn’t even try for justice at all, or attempt to avoid an even worse future For America. Literally nothing. Even with the Insurrection, they only punished the foot soldiers, and NONE of the leaders, who should have been hanged.
Yep. Legally they couldn’t fire him, and they prided themselves on following the law. Trump regime has no such qualms and breaks the law with impunity daily, knowing that it will take years for challenges to work their way through the court system, and then finally wind up at the corrupt Supreme Court which will take their side.
they prided themselves on following the law.
Except international law against genocide, occupation, and human rights violations.
Somehow MAGAs get anything they want, and Dems cant figure out how to get ANYTHING they want.
Biden couldn’t fire DeJoy directly, but he appointed a majority of board directors who could fire him, and then they decided to not remove him. Choosing appointees who will carry out the presidents agenda is a primary responsibility, and Biden seriously blew it. Again. I understand why it didn’t occur to him, he could barely remember his name, but he had a whole team which should have been picking up the slack, and they obviously failed.
And even if his administration can be excused for that bit of incompetence, he could have removed DeJoy “for cause,” such as inefficiency, neglect of duty, or malfeasance, all of which he’s been criminally guilty.
They had multiple LEGAL options do get rid of him, and MAGAs would have availed themselves of all of them, and then some, but Biden couldn’t do the bare minimum of vetting his appointees for those who were committed to his agenda.
Dems are OBSSESSED with being more polite to corrupt treasonous genocidal pedophiles, than fulfilling their Constitutional responsibilities to their own voters, who are desperate for real action from their elected representatives.
Not to mention Merrick Garland. 😩
ANOTHER unforgivable sin of the Biden administration. Trump’s treason unfolded completely in the open, as he announced, schemed, promoted, organized, and launched a violent Insurrection to overthrow the government and install himself as Dictator-For-Life. We watched every minute of it LIVE, from his first Save The Date announcement - “Will be wild!” It was the most open & shut case in legal history.
But Biden appointed the most feckless REPUBLICAN to be his Attorney General, who proceeded to dither and slow walk the case, giving Trump a two year head start to run out the clock, and if there was anyone who knows how to manipulate the court system, it’s Trump. It’s one of his few talents, all of which are criminal.
Trump will always be considered the Worst President in history, he’s already earned it many times over, but Biden will be in the Bottom 10, for allowing Trump to regain power.
The fact he didn’t try to get him fired is not helping Democrat neo-liberal’s case of being paid opposition.
You know that Dejoy guy isn’t there anymore right?
Just like other past irregularities, mild repurcussions after the fact is too late when the election is already stolen.
Not in Trump’s America.
Elected by Trump.
No consequences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postmaster_General
I just instructed the president to lick my balls. I don’t think he will though.
Depends. Are you 12?
Their username contains “bill”, so maybe they’re Clinton, possibly aka Bubba, in which case according to the Epstein files Trump may have already blown him, unless Bubba was the horse…
I think he only rapes girls tho
Good point.
Are you Benjamin Netanyahu? Because he would.
One of the great failings of this government is not providing a punishment for repeatedly issuing unconstitutional orders. He has exactly zero incentive to stop.
Our Congress has allowed a lawless president to do whatever he wanted. It is a MAGA coup dresses as Republicans.
This is pretty much the Republican project all along.
Checks and balances doesn’t work if one party is in charge of everything. I found the John Oliver episode about Hungary to be particularly terrifying.
Imagine if Trump rigged the election so they had a super majority in the senate and a majority in the house. They could rewrite the constitution. What then?
Checks and balances doesn’t work if one party is in charge of everything.
Nixon could not have been convicted without Republican votes. But Nixon resigned, because he knew Republicans would vote to impeach and convict him. So the system can in theory work, even if the system depends on policing its own.
It is in fact quite normal across democracies, for stuff like this to depend on the votes of the party in power.
The problem here is that Republican representatives are traitors to their oaths. And more importantly, that Republican voters are not demanding their representatives to not be traitors.
So Republican representatives simply know that they only get reelected if they act tribally Republican. Note that this is generally not a problem with Democrat voters.
Nixon had to be charged with crimes and serve prison time for the system to have worked. As usual politicians get that magical get out of jail card when the exact opposite should be happening. They should be held to much higher standards and punishments.
Ford pardoned Nixon, and Ford lost the next election. And the pardon probably played a part in Ford losing. So the system still sorta worked then, if imperfect.
Nixon was never officially charged with any crime. The modern day pardon is an extremely corrupt practice as evidenced by the current administration. It should be removed entirely honestly.
If it is allowed it should be the responsibility of a non-partisan committee. The president could refer someone but should have zero power over it. I think it would still be abused, but at least there could be some checks and balances.
Just make it for death row inmates only. Other than that it should just be handled by the courts.
So Republican representatives simply know that they only get reelected if they act tribally Republican. Note that this is generally not a problem with Democrat voters.
Ironically, it turns into a problem for Democrat voters.
Link?
Re-writing the constitution (e.g., amendments) also takes approval from the states themselves.
According to … the constitution
There’s some circular logic happening which Trump sees through. Much like SCOTUS, the constitution can’t enforce itself. So you can just bully it.
There have been cases before where the States threatened to delcare the Constitution null and void due to a pending violation. Contrary to what people think, the States have quite a bit of leeway to deal with things. So far, they have been trying to deal with things legally.
True. I guess he can interpret it however he wants and trust that the supremely court will back him.
I saw he will be the first president sitting in on arguments to the supremely court. I wonder if this is an attempt to intimidate justices that might go against him.
I mean if that doesnt provoke a civil war nothing ever will
It won’t. I’d be more likely to leave the country than to die for it.
what I don’t understand is why don’t they just come out and say “ok, no more elections. this is a dictatorship now” like they keep tip toeing around it, they keep breaking the law, insider trading, illegal operations, all of it and they’ve gotten away with it every time. So why do they keep teasing something they know they have a strong possibility of getting away with? who are they afraid of?
They’re boiling the frog, still. Each little step they flood the airwaves with justifications and distractions to trick their idiot followers into supporting. Too big a step and they lose too many at once.
Doesn’t Russia still hold elections where Putin always wins? Or North Korea?
I think the idea is you keep having elections so you can say you won.
As opposed to the wonderful and free America, which holds elections where we get a choice between one of two candidates favored by corporate oligarchs. Candidates who are appointed to the candidacy, if the parties so wish, by “[going] into back rooms like they used to and [smoking] cigars and [picking] the candidate that way”, as acknowledged by our own courts.
Sure, a third party candidate can run, but without funding they have no actual chance of winning even if their message would otherwise resonate with the public. That’s not a functional republic or a functional democracy, it’s democracy theater put on by our ruling class to appease the working masses.
Whataboutism.
A. We weren’t talking about that.
B. Yes it sucks too, but the alternative, which we were actually talking about, is objectively worse.
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I know, you were spreading western exceptionalism talking points, which is what I wanted to dispel.
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North Korea has killed fewer people than America. I’m obviously not pro-Russia but just quantifiably, they have also killed fewer people than America (especially if we’re talking Russia as a current political entity and not USSR). Both also contribute less per-capita to the climate change destroying our planet. So “worse” by what metric exactly?
EDIT: Whole lotta downvotes, notable absence of actual responses. Liberal moment. “Worse” by what metric?
Now they are talking about killing people and the climate. How far we stray, to be edgy.
What are you yapping about?
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They’re following the Hungary model, which in turn was a variation on the Russian model.
What they’re attempting is a “legal coup,” which is the typical modern democracy-to-authoritarianism transition. They want to retain the facade of constitutionality and lawfulness, to avoid creating an armed insurgency situation, and to avoid burning the value of the current economic system by crashing the stock market or causing investment to flee.
It’s to pacify the enlightened centrists who will go along with it as long as it’s supposedly ‘what the people want’.
There are no laws; we made the whole thing up
Donny needs to fuck off and not be alive.
Weird how the land of the 2A hasn’t unalived him yet.
Authoritarianism is an admission of abject weakness.
White supremacists are the weakest and most brittle snowflakes.
We really need to start melting them down.
It will eventually be thrown out in regular and appellate courts after it has had the effect they wanted on the upcoming election. Then SCOTUS will give it a green light because they are part of the authoritarian oligarchy.
after it has had the effect they wanted on the upcoming election
I don’t think the anti-GOP sentiment is confined to elderly liberal voters.
Also, Eight states – California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, and Washington – conduct what is commonly referred to as an all-mail election, or universal mail-in voting. In these states, voting is conducted primarily by mail, and all eligible voters receive a ballot by default
I’m not sure how post offices in these states could even respond.
I’m not sure how post offices in these states could even respond.
By laughing and ignoring it, having the Governors and Attorneys General of those states countermand it with their own executive orders / statements, just straight up saying that this is plainly obviously unconstitutional.
They could then also threaten legal action against anyone at the USPS who does not listen to them.
Its yet another Constitutional Crisis, any way you look at it, but, its not like there’s just no possible response.
The President is straight up demanding that Postal Workers engage in a conspiracy to, amongst other things… tamper with people’s mail.
So, any manager or supervisor who orders that be done? 30,000 counts of mail fraud, you’re arrested and go to jail forever.
Set up a state tip line for USPS workers to report anything like that happening.
This is how all of these ridiculous eos should be handled. It’s nuts that everybody is just doing what mango Mussolini decrees.
Its nuts, but this is basically just how fascism works.
More than enough people, politicians and the populace, basically just get stun locked by the pure audacity of ‘you can just do stuff’, as all the ‘norms’ that were never formalized just evaporate.
The response is at first bureacratic, procedural, untill it becomes extremely obvious that the entire strategy of the fascists is to weaponize everything.
Even then, it tends to take a while for most people and politicians to actually begin to react in kind, strategically, seriously, largely because they are afraid of… further destroying the norms that the fascists already destroyed.
Normalcy bias. “It can’t happen here” exceptionalism. Cowardice. Incompetence. Propoganda. Historical illiteracy.
Take your pick.
If state governors were more clever, they’d be coming up with reasons to keep their National Guard busy doing something ‘important’ in their states, literally just to deny them from being mobilized Federally, or make it more procedurally difficult and more of a PR mess for the Feds to do so.
USPS is run by unions, they’re not going to give a shit what Trump’s letter to Santa says. The State controls the election process, periodt.
The federal government has no control over voting, it is 100% controlled by the states. The post offices are not legally allowed to do anything to the ballots other than deliver them.
They don’t care what they’re allowed to do. They care about what’s technically feasible. They’re exploiting the fact that they can break the law precisely in ways that empower themselves to be above the law before the law can come back around to them. It’s analogous to crowning Trump king and issuing a decree that the transition from president to king was legitimate. What’s the constitution going to do?
The effect is sowing further distrust in voting by mail and suppressing the vote of people who are being targeted by the government in other areas. In those states anyone who knows citizens who were targeted by ICE could easily assume the same harassment of citizens will happen with mail in votes as well.
Just because it isn’t feasible to implement doesn’t mean the chilling effect won’t happen.
The effect is sowing further distrust in voting by mail
Colorado and Oregon consistently have some of the highest voter turnout in the country.
Idk if this works in practice.
From the GOP perspective, this explains why Colorado is a Democratic island in the otherwise “real American” range states. They probably tell each other that without all the fake, mail-in ballots, Colorado would be as red as Wyoming and Utah.
From the GOP perspective, this explains why Colorado is a Democratic island
Colorado isn’t a Democratic island. New Mexico and Arizona are also blue states. Nevada’s solid purple, regularly sending up a mix of Ds and Rs. There’s no shortage of conservatives in Colorado, either. Lauren Boebert is from Colorado, ffs. She’s got an enormous constituency of evangelical lunatic supporters and die-hard Republicans. Trump lost Colorado in 2016 by a Gary Johnson’s margin. It was straight up winnable back under Compassionate Conservative Bush Jr.
They probably tell each other that without all the fake, mail-in ballots, Colorado would be as red as Wyoming and Utah.
Sure. And Democrats keep insisting Texas is winnable if all the non-voters turn out, nevermind how a rising volume of overall voters only ever breaks for Republicans.
Nevertheless, shutting down mail-in voting in Colorado won’t benefit Republicans in any meaningful way.
They can respond by just trashing ALL of the ballots - remember the ruling a month or so ago saying they weren’t liable for shit if they did?
They can. But will they? These post offices are run by the same people doing the voting, after all.
It’s one thing to tell a post office in Utah to trash all the ballots and just hand the keys of state off to the local Mormon Bishopry. Very much another to give the order in Washington State.
All it takes is a few traitors at key points.
That cuts both ways.
Except Dems always play by the rules, to their detriment. I liked Michelle Obama but that “they go low, we go high” shit has been causing problems for far too long.
Except Dems always play by the rules
No they don’t!
They say they do, but they routinely break conventions and norms and laws and constitutional amendments when it’s convenient for them and their donor base.
More often than not, they wait for a Republican to do it first and then just keep on keeping on.
But they don’t follow the rules. They use the rules to excuse why they refuse to enact popular policies. They deflect and defer and soccer-flop.
“they go low, we go high”
Obama did drone strikes on children.
Maybe. However, SCOTUS might not green light it. Loot at the ruling on the tariff case. Roberts, Barrett and/or Gorsuch could join with the liberal wing and hold the line. Of course, Trump is still going to try to deploy troops and chaos at polling places to scare off voters. I think the shit is definitely going to hit the fan in the fall.
SCOTUS backed down from that one because their billionaire owners didn’t like the complete anarchy of the tariffs. This one increases billionaires power over the populace via voter intimidation so SCOTUS will be fine with it.
I see it more as the court recognizing that if they just rubber stamp Trump’s wishes, they destroy their own power, and Trump is notorious for fucking over pretty much everyone that joins him. In this instance, they would effectively be handing total control over to Trump, who is clearly face-planting across the board, destroying the U.S. in the process.
Scotus isn’t always on Trumps side.
They don’t have to rule in his favor 100% of the time to be on his side.
In fact, they boost their own alleged legitimacy by occasionally ruling against the regime.
