Wow, “don’t bother voting” agitprop this early? This is going to be a big election!
“Everything I don’t like is posted in bad faith”
Yeah, I’m sure the Democrats will eventually move back to the left of their own accord if we just keep voting for them, keep our heads down, and try not to rock the boat.
Hey I am kind of centrist ( Center left liberal for people in Europe) , did your good guys release the Epstein file?
We have good guys?
This isn’t a centrist meme, it’s a leftist meme. Revolution is necessary, neither party represents worker’s interests.
‘We Have No Coherent Message’: Democrats Struggle to Oppose Trump
More than 50 interviews with Democratic leaders revealed a party struggling to decide what it believes in, what issues to prioritize and how to confront an aggressive right-wing administration.
Democrats are self-critical of their inability to take positions distinct from their Republican colleagues without splintering off conservative support? Democrats must be right-wingers.
“Would you rather the oceans die or the trees die.”
- Neither.
“Hitler”
The fact that there are so many dislikes proves how propagandized the average American is. “How dare you call both sides the same” Well, they ojectively are pretty much the same with few exceptions.
Compare the last 6 months to the previous 4 years. You know they’re not.
Especially for non-Usian people, doubly especially for those on the working end of US “diplomacy” - bombs, coups and sanctions come regardless of which US administration, there is literally no difference whatsoever.
“Everyone who is an adult who realizes there is no unicorn party is completely propagandized. I am le very smart.”
One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn’t given up yet. The other side brings a knife to the gun fight.
They’re not even remotely the same. 40 years ago that may have been closer to true.
This is some campist nonsense.
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Ok, explain how Democrats support Nazis that attempted a coup?
They didnt put their leader or any of the oganizers in prison for attempting a coup.
Ukraine
One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn’t given up yet.
And the other side commits genocide. It also overthrows other people’s democracy, but you don’t consider foreigners human.
The DNC isn’t fighting for workers. They are bringing a gun to the gunfight, they just aren’t interested in using it against the GOP, as ultimately both serve capital. The US has never been a democracy for the people.
Democrats seek to regulate said capital. The Overton window is too far right to have much effect.
Serving capital does not mean we’re not a Democracy. Attempting a coup of the government and disinformation does, however.
Democrats seek to regulate said capital
No, they aren’t.
Serving capital does not mean we’re not a Democracy
If you think that you live under a democracy, i.e. that your government’s decisions reflect your wishes, then you should be held accountable for the genocides and invasions that your state keeps committing.
Attempting a coup of the government and disinformation does, however.
The US suffering a coup would at worst not make anything worse, including in terms of ‘democracy’.
No they want to appear to regulate capital. Most of the time they don’t actually want to regulate it. Yes they won’t be as overt as to do the massive wealth transfers they the republicans do . But they will. Who was president in 08 ? Who continued to dump money into our military contracts despite running as anti war?
Like yeah the parties are different domestically but foreign policy wise the outcomes are usually the same.
My parents are lifelong Democrats. When I ask them questions about any specific policy, they are vehemently against if it involves raising taxes even slightly. Voting Democrat makes them feel better about themselves. They always ask me to fill their ballots in, I have to refuse and lecture them every time. They love CNN.
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Simple English: My parents vote Democrat but don’t support Democrat policies. They are staunch Libertarians who think voting Democrat makes them look good to their children. They also don’t like to vote and want their children to decide for them, which is antidemocratic. They watch news outlets that spew disinformation. They’re not much different from most Republicans. I suspect many other Americans are the same.
DNC never sent DHS and ice to deport and create fake crimes against my Muslim friend for being an Iranian student in physics. But sure, both sides.
It was Slick Willie Clinton who changed regulation to allow misdemeanors to be treated the same as a felony for immigration purposes. Thus was born the idea of the “criminal immigrant”.
Nah, they just committed genocide
Are you thinking of a different country
Don’t forget sending people to torture camps, or bombing kids, or expanding the systems that the current fascist government is using.
The Democrats do so much more than just helping out with genocide!
Thanks for pointing that out, I’ll be sure to vote Republican
Whataboutism
You mean what you just did in response to the initial thread?
No, but they did tank any candidates who would’ve given us a hope of not having to deal with that scenario not just once but three times over so yeah definitely both fucking sides.
What party were the candidates from?
They sure aren’t doing anything about it either.
One side created secret police and are kidnapping people off of the streets to put into concentration camps. End of fucking discussion.
And the other side was in power for 4 years but did nothing to prevent this from happening
Liberals continue to demonstrate they don’t consider foreigners human
When Trump terminated the USAID, Some very liberal who used to advocate for “Women and children” people came out with how No USAID means the USA will lose leverage,like We know you don’t care but at least don’t promote such disgusting foulplays.
lmfao Obama vastly expanded the surveillance programs Bush started after 9/11 https://time.com/3909293/edward-snowden-obama-nsa-spying/
You’re an ignoramus and you should be ashamed of yourself. End of fucking discussion.
Biden didn’t shut down any of the ICE concentration camps Trump opened the last time he was president.
Also Guantanamo Bay has had bipartisan support since the beginning.
Building on a police state that was 50% pre-built by The Other Party™ but hey who could have thought that bad guys could ever take advantage of it!
Exactly. When terrorists take over a police station it’s really the police’s fault for existing the first place.
So what you’re saying is that the electorates are completely different? Exactly. Thanks for that.
LOL
I guess that’s the best you can come up with.
So glad Trump won and is helping the demise of your banana republic, you all deserve it, no one worth saving in that afwul country.
Dumbest bunch on the planetI agreed with you about the actual issue but wtf. You do realize the United States has 340 million people and lager that whatever country you likely love in, right? There are many diverse political postions here, but you won’t see them in our duopoly…
Like yeah the Dems played a roll in funding and using the police state. They want itm they love West wing TV style politics where they think they are the good guys and can’t critically consider any positive future and therefore end up being shit libs at best.
The republicans actively want to kill everyone for profit.
At least 95% supports a side of the uniparty.
Maybe there’s a handful of real left people at best.
Pragmatically it’s reasonable collateral dammage.
The US causes millions of deaths and misery in the world.
All they are concerned about and cry over now is that they get a small taste of what they do in other places.
They don’t deserve sympathy. Fuck em.
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I couldn’t agree more. Also:
Except MAGA is not neoliberalism unless we think tariffs are now “free trade”. I get the point that neither party will wield power against capitalism, but they still use their power differently.
Biden also implemented tariffs to China tho.
Neoliberalism shouldn’t be seen as a doctrine but as a stage of capitalism, in which policies are shaped by the current context, with the intention of mantaining the current status quo. Free trade made sense for imperialist core countries because its industries were much ahead than the rest of the world, thus free trade made it easier to conquer international markets. Now that China has caught up, free trade fundamentalism is no longer the correct strategy.
Yeah you’re right, calling it “neoliberalism” at this point is questionable. They’re also blocking renewable energy businesses.
DNC is a huge problem with America as was Biden/Garland. They need/needed Trump to not fall out of a window, or be in military jail, in order for the most warmongering neocon DNC candidates to ensure warmongering. After Oct 7th, DNC’s Israel first “job is to gaslight the left into supporting Israel”, meant ensuring Trump’s win, and today, have their elected Zionist supremacists, repeat attacks of communism on Mamdani.
On global warming, forcing a proxy war on Russia, not only enriches domestic oil companies to fund climate denial. pushing global diesel (home heating fuel same fraction) refining capacity to limit, with massive emissions from war, it also means no cooperation with Russia possible on global warming. It is simply impossible to prioritize human sustainability, if voters are made to support war, while struggling with the economic collapse directly accelerated by it, not to mention cultural divisiveness issues (not DNC/Biden fault).
The US needs either a military coup, or candidates/party that will remove citizenship and assets of Zionist oligarchy influencing US rulership. If money is speech, then money is terrorism.
“America is one party state. However in the typical American exuberance, they have two of them”
We have to have two, to keep the masses fighting, thinking one will bring change the other can’t. It takes the eye off the ball from the oligarchs, industrial war machine, the three rogue letter spy agencies, and most of all the Zionist influence. Brain-dead voters will scream across the isle at each other, “but my candidate is slightly better than your candidate!” Logic has left the room.
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Not sure ableism is the best way to spread your message, but the fact is that the largest block of eligable voters sat out because they feel that voting isn’t worth it, be it for being in a state that’s solidly red or blue, or because neither option makes a tangible difference on their lives. Both the DNC and GOP serve capital, not the workers, so they are going to continue to alienate the working class.
And that stuff about abortion shouldn’t even be there after they didn’t do anything for it.
Really the only thing that needs to be put in the “Democrats only” section is: Lip Service. It sums up every issue they are supposedly “better” on.
Last election the uncomitted wanted basically only lip servce but didn’t get even that.
the rights were appealed under genocide Joe
… By the Supreme Court Trump packed?
After the dems didn’t codify it in law even though they had control
Don’t remember the last time the Democrats had military storming our streets and black bagging US residents en masse and deporting them to war zones like South Sudan or Libya despite those people having zero ties to those countries.
This reeks of fucking shitpost right-wing propaganda.
Edit: here come all the “but the US/CIA did all this fucked up stuff to other countries under Dems, too!”
JFC, the current “president” who is GOP literally yells about wanting to deport/arrest political opponents, censor TV personalities (e.g. Colbert, Fallon, etc), openly calls to suppress political opposition in voting, openly supports ignoring the courts when they interfere with his blatantly unconstitutional actions, etc etc .
Yes, the Dems aren’t fucking innocent, but to pretend they’re the same as a party that’s openly trying to “take back the Nazi word” is fucking insane.
Obama has the record for deportations
Off the top off my head the national guard during the george floyd protest that got called in by tim walz. Even trump was “impressed”
Yes, because those circumstances were completely the same as what’s going on now.
And that makes it acceptable?
the Democrats had military storming our streets and black bagging US residents en masse
The Posse Comitatus Act is what generally prevents military from “black bagging US residents” and leaves that job to police.
Texas was the first state to allow for the national guard to assist in immigration efforts back in 2021. Democrats did nothing to stop, delay or prevent the expansion of those powers which were further pushed and nationalized in 2025.
The other loophole is invoking the insurrection act. While Biden did not involve it it was repeatedly threatened during the Gaza war protests, however the protests never got too riotous for the Dems to risk damaging their image and the local police were perfectly capable of documenting and black bagging people for it.
The cases of Kahlil and Mahdawi where Trump attended to deport individuals participating in those protests was made possible by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. That specific bill was introduced by the Democrats, passed the Democratic majority House and Senate, Vetoed by Democratic president Truman before being overridden by the house/Senate.
You are correct that they are “not the same”, but stating that the shield of your enemy is your friend, just because it isn’t a sword is fucking insane.
The problem is that both parties are right wings, only one somewhat more extreme. Both defends the rights of big corporations, billonairs and less or nothing those of the rest of the people. Public services, labor rights and even basic rights, like health and education are a bad joke in the US and only available if you have money. Now with Trump it goes even worse.
lmfao you americans are ignorant of your own history. do you honestly think ICE disappeared when Biden was in power? no it’s because people like Harris and their bootlickers like you were fine with it when the Top Cop was doing it, they were deporting in record numbers. i guess the black sites also disappeared too, right? typical american arrogance unable to see beyond party affiliation, they are all the same demon to us non-americans, the dems are just better at hiding it. you are the right winger_
war zones like South Sudan or Libya despite those people having zero ties to those countries.
Damn I wonder why Libya is like that!
You absolute ghouls literally don’t see foreigners as human
I dont think there is a lib alive who remembers the dems role in the destruction of Libya other than those directly involved in it.
history started on february 22 2022, it paused and continued on october 7 2023.
True, most of them don’t remember as far back as last year
since the end of ww2 the two major coup d’états in brazil happened with direct support of the department of state and the cia under dem administration (johnson was in power in 64 and obama, with hillary clinton in charge of the department of state, in 2016). we’ve got a story or two to tell about them. if the regular lib doesn’t care about that, then the most natural thing for us is to consider both parties equally harmful and don’t give a damn over internal issues of the us and a.
Mostly because of Qaddafi.
good to know it’s a-okay to destroy entire countries over 1 guy. Bonus points if brown, amirite?
it’s their fault for not kneeling down, can’t blame us for it!
they really smeared their libbiness by putting the lib in Libya
How do you expect to be taken seriously after saying this 😂
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Time to block OP and rid myself of this both sides bullshit
Yeah, wouldn’t want to consume any true, but politically inconvenient posts
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They’re not the same. The Dems stand back and shake their fist/wring their hands when the Repubs have power and run roughshod over them. Then when the Dems have power they allow their efforts to be thwarted by the Repubs and gesture helplessly when in fact they could just push things through themselves.
Also the DNC is a malfunctioning toilet that costs elections, implying that they think it’s better to have a pro-establishment Repub in power than a Dem maverick.
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Everything except complete submission to the US State department reeks of Russian propaganda to .worlders
US Democracy = Vote Far Rights or Fascists to combat this terrible Comunism, wearing shirts in Stars and Stripes design. Neo-liberal feudalism
“The United States, too, has a single party system. But in typical American extravagance they have two of them.”
To be fair, you have to credit Democrats with Obamacare which was really a way to improve the lives of poorer people
You mean Romney care without the public option. Obamacare is more conservative than the actual republican plan…
One half-baked concession to the poor doesn’t imply their party platform is about improving the lives of poor people.
I credit Dems with making Mitt Romney’s healthcare plan worse, by removing the public option - the thing that would have actually improved the lives of poorer people. Instead, we simply shoveled some 30mil Americans right into the pockets of predatory insurance companies.
The only silver lining from that legislation was preventing them from denying care due to pre-existing conditions, and that point has been an all out battleground ever since.
Obamacare is responsible for finding the masses in my breasts right now so I like it. I’d like it more if just everyone could go to the doctor and not have to ask, like I do, “is it covered by my insurance”
And the 2000s bank bailouts.
Also, cash for clunkers?
Obamacare was always a rhetorical device to prove how unserious the GOP is at governing.
Democrats
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Retain marriage rights for gay couples.
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Expand legality of recreational drugs.
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Free food for schoolchildren.
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Tax credits for families with children.
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Subsidized for free childcare.
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Expand electric car charging nationally.
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Subsidize sustainable fuel sources.
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Fact based education standards.
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Stop racism in policing.
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Expanded healthcare subsidies.
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Preserve democracy.
Republicans
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Being gay or trans should be illegal.
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White supremacy is great!
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Christianity as national religion.
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Privatize the post office and weather service.
*Eliminate the EPA, Department of Education.
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Defund IRS.
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Disenfranchise nonwhites and women.
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Antivax agenda.
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Expand fossil fuel use.
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Eliminate worker safety laws.
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Eliminate collective bargaining and union rights.
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Defunding science research.
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Deregulate crypto.
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No regulations on AI.
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No recognition of child’s educational or bodily autonomy rights.
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Eliminate hate crime laws except for straight white men.
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End democracy, install fascist dictatorship.
But yeah, they are totally the same, right guys? RIGHT!?!
Those memes are just contributing to the issue of young people skipping the elections, and then complaining about our leaders being stupid
Well, then maybe the Democrats should fix that, by putting out candidates that young people actually want to vote for.
There are too little young voters to make it a viable strategy for either side
Exactly! The fascists want people to think there’s no good choice. Apathy helps them take control.
I think you dropped this:
Democrats & Republicans
- Bombed kids
- Tortured innocent people
- Increased the surveillance state
- Took money from the poor and working class, and gave it to their rich friends
- Spent billions on wars, while claiming that they couldn’t afford to fix our healthcare or housing problems
- Boasted about deporting more people than Republicans
- Backed a Genocide
Wait, where does this not apply to Republicans?
Who said it doesn’t?
The list did. You’re appending to a list.
That’s fair. I updated it to say both. I phrased it that way in response to ChonkyOwlBear’s implication that the Democrats were the good guys
You kinda implied it by titling it “Democrats:”
Whataboutism
flawed argument, this is the real world and you do have to compare options.
Making an imaginary secret third option to win the fight is reserved for kids in the playground
Spoken like a true neoliberal. Pragmatic genocide.
blah blah blah very cultured very much words
do you want a standing ovation for eating a dictionary for breakfast or do you intend to face reality
How bad is your fucking vocabulary if words like “pragmatic” are too fancy for you.
Jesus, I knew fascists were anti-intectual, but getting angry at words the average middle schooler would know is a new level.
Fact based education standards.
Teaching a bunch of lies about American exceptionalism and how imperialism is actually good isn’t what I’d call “fact based”
Stop racism in policing
Right like how democrats in nearly all major cities increased police funding and almost none passed any meaningful reform.
Expanded healthcare subsidies
But don’t remotely consider universal healthcare
Preserve democracy
Preserve the status quo which I wouldn’t call a democracy. A democracy enacts the will of the people, democrats don’t even have a democratic primary for their own party.
Teaching a bunch of lies about American exceptionalism and how imperialism is actually good isn’t what I’d call “fact based”
That’s a right thing, not a left thing.
Right like how democrats in nearly all major cities increased police funding and almost none passed any meaningful reform.
A lot of left leaning places pushed consent decrees, for example:
https://www.chicagopolice.org/community-policing-group/consent-decree/
But don’t remotely consider universal healthcare
The list time Democrats had a filibuster-proof trifecta it was for about 2 months and they passed Obamacare. Since then Republicans have nullified about 40% of it.
Preserve the status quo which I wouldn’t call a democracy.
Except by definition it is a democracy. Like it or not, most people vote for the status quo.
most people vote for the status quo
Not even getting into the whole voter participaton thing here. I’m just curious does that mean you consider Trump the status quo? Because he won the popular vote in the most recent election. Because if so i agree. Trump is business as usual for the US. Just going mask off. Just surprised to see a liberal admit as much.
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lmaooo i wish i couldnt see them too that’s not fair
Except by definition it is a democracy.
Barely.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index#List_by_country
Either you’re stupid or you’re lying.
Where’s the lie?
Literally fucking half of the shit you attribute to democrats.
Stop racism in policing.
Start here. This is a fucking lie and you’re practically a nazi for whitewashing them
You’ve certainly whitewashed Dems quite a lot. You’re fundamentally not wrong though. As bad as the Dems are, and they are very bad, MAGA is undeniably worse. If we had some other electoral system, we could safely explore other options. But we don’t. We have FPTP, which makes it a binary choice between bad and worse.
And worse is just so, so much worse. That doesn’t make bad good, but it’s still a binary choice. You’d have to be evil or stupid to try to muddy the waters so that bad seems close enough to worse that people don’t feel the urgency of choosing bad to prevent worse.
Dems can be convinced to try other election systems besides FPTP because they fundamentally believe in democracy. From my perspective, fixing things without violence is still an option with Dems. It isn’t with Republicans.
I’m hoping Musk gets some momentum with his third party. Either it splits the Republican vote and slows down this freefall into fascism, or he dumps tons of resources into promoting some variety of RCV. Either way, that’s a net benefit in my eyes.
The lesser evil choice is whichever hastens the collapse of your monstrous, genocidal empire
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You’re ok with genocide
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