So 5.3 million Americans are going to be given less incentive to work and less to lose?
This cunts daddy paid for his college were he bought his degree of course he lacks empathy for normal hard working people
As a transgender man who served 3 of my 4 years of my TEACH grant before my state made it defacto if not de jure illegal to be a transgender teacher -
I’m fucked lol. I’m just going to have to work under the table the rest of my life. My billionaire ex managed to dump his credit card debt on me, so I’m fucked hopelessly. It’s entirely legal to fire me for being trans in any job. Doesn’t matter whether it’s cleaning vomit after a basketball game or working at a group home - my uterus renders me a non human.
If I do lose my apartment, I’ll make the news in the best way I can though.
You may just want the leave the country at this point my dude
Running away and giving up. Is cowardice. Don’t give these people that pleasure. We must rise n fight back. Collect yourself, prepare and just be ready. 1860s isn’t far off and if its our turn to lead a revolution then so be.
Fuck the traitor rapist felon Donald Trump. Dude deserves capital punishment for treason.
Running away and giving up. Is cowardice.
Standing proud and dying in a gutter and being forgotten because a cop decided to break your skull open for the fun of it is not courage either.
Nah I’m good. I’m watching how things play out, and if it gets that bad I’ll just rebuild my life in another country. Already got approved for Express Entry into Canada.
Yep cowards will be cowards.
Good luck.
I’m fine with being a coward - I’ve had to be brave my whole life, it’s some for someone else to fight. I’ve earned my peace.
I really want to keep my books. I love my books and leaving them behind would feel like death. I’ve thought about Costa Rica or a few other places. The cost of the plane ticket is unrealistic; the likelihood of getting the books over is doubtful.
I’ve realized that I probably won’t survive this administration, and I’m just going to go down fighting. I lost everything I care about, and the least I can do is try to make it so no one lives a life like mine again.
Uhaul -> Canada
Canada doesn’t want poor (let alone trans) refugees any more than any other country wants poor refugees. It’s a much more progressive country than many, but “just leave” isn’t any more of a realistic option for persecuted groups under Trump than it was for the same groups under Hitler.
Are they actually taking anyone though? Everywhere I’ve looked has been like “the us isn’t actively killing LGBT people, so we don’t count it as refugee.”
I also just simply do not have the liquid resources. I can sell some stuff - but what then? Sleep on the streets in a country I’ve never lived in before? I guess people cross the Darien gap, but I’m also just physiologically broken now. My nervous system doesn’t work correctly - I have experienced actual torture. I can’t organize a plan to finish my graduate degree, much less get across a National border.
Well, by your own words the alternative is death. So if you truly believe that you won’t survive this administration then yeah, hop across the border as a tourist and just don’t leave.
Wait it out for as long as possible, there’s a non- zero chance that you will be accepted for asylum in the future if things keep going the way they are.
Maga won’t be affected by this.
Oh there’s a small minority of them and I’m sure they’ll be on Facebook complaining about how unfair it is and how they’re not hurting the right people.
They do tend to be whiney people after all
Maga doesn’t “do” edumacation.
MAGA isn’t educated, so that checks out.
What about all the fratboys?
They are in a frat because mommy and daddy pay the bills.
Didn’t this guy default on most of his loans several times?
He also ripped off contractors
He could raise money by taxing billionaires who wouldn’t suffer but he goes after people who took out loans for education. He also looks especially toad-like in that image.
I’m all for fixing the broken system and I’m sure there are peoples whose loan agreements are so fucked up; HOWEVER, in order to not default on my loans I think the minimum payment is like $20 which doesn’t even cover the interest btw. I think there are people that can pay their loans and aren’t. There’s also a lot of people who were taken advantage of.
I owe about $2500 on a loan of $3500 at 3.4% fixed from 2015. It was on hold until I graduated in 2017 and then it was on hold during covid. The monthly payment is about $26.
That bitch is going to be autopaying until I die.
Don’t worry I’ve been paying $50 for about 15 years 😆. I will say it has done wonders for my credit. 15 year credit history apparently means something.
My SO and I have $130k between us and if we get the IBR figured out, it might bring our total payment down to about $1200/mo which is not something we can afford. I’ve been laid off since Christmas and just started a job, so we’re $20k in the hole and haven’t been able to pay anything. Now I see my credit is taking hits. That hurts but again, no money. Oh well what’s 7 years.
Look into the federal consolidation loans and the income driven repayment. Bankruptcy doesn’t get you out of student loans.
Believe me I understand that we were sold a promise and the last 5 administrations did fuck all to ensure the economy was in a good place for us to reap the benefits. It sucks that there’s so many people like you in the same situation.
My friend is directly impacted by this. So much winning. Thanks again Don. Really making America great
I hope all the zoomer dudes who voted for orangeboi enjoy this delightful financial punch in the dick
Trump supporters can’t even read, much less take any kind of higher education degree
While that may be the statistical correlation, it’s not true as a blanket statement
lol, you think most of those guys went to college?
I think you’d be surprised how many of them did
Doesn’t take a lot to get through college
Umass boston was largely a joke. I do agree with that.
It’s mostly a time and money sink for a piece of paper unless you’re going into a profession that requires it… though you don’t usually need a degree, instead you need to pass various certifications. There’s even wacky exceptions like not needing a degree at all to take the BAR exam in Vermont.
Then there’s the hyper conservative colleges out there… I couldn’t tell you at all how those go but I wouldn’t assume very well.
College in the US is largely a big day-care system which interferes with the students’ ability to cope with realities of adult life, if they didn’t come in with it already, and also a money gate which serves to keep people away from high-paying jobs unless they come from a wealthy family or are willing to enter an indentured servitude relationship.
It has some other subsidiary functions, some of them legitimately important, and education is a wonderful and crucial thing. College in America has been drifting further and further away from education, though, as the society it is forced to exist within has been steadily cared less and less about education with every passing decade.
The highest paid employee at many universities, especially in the south east, is the football coach. If that doesn’t tell you where our priorities are…
For visitors to this thread: I would really recommend that you scroll down a little bit to find the person who was claiming that aktually this is all Biden’s fault, and then trying to defend it like it made total sense when people asked WTF they were on about. It is interesting.
I don’t know how anyone can be optimistic about this economy. This isn’t death by a million little cuts. we are headed for an unprecedented economic depression.
The guillotine got applied to the economy instead of the… Proper target…
This ain’t nazi sympathizing Reddit bro - you’re allowed to say that a treasonous Russian asset in our government deserves to be executed by guillotine, even if somehow that treasonous Russian asset is the president.
What are you talking about, the market is back to its pre-Trump levels! 📈🔺
How far pre trump? 95 years?
Didn’t you hear? If the economy goes up, that’s Trump’s handiwork. If the economy slips, it’s Biden’s economy. It’s really simple to understand, attribute all good things to Trump and bad things to Biden. /S
I get it, trump was responsible for the economy when Biden was president,
And now that Trump became president, Biden is responsible!
It makes so much sense when Trump explains it like this, it has to be true
He explained it quite clearly in that interview. 😄
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The US total population is about 340 million. Those 18 and older is about 254 million.
With 5.3 million defaulted, that means 1 of every 68 adults has defaulted on a student loan.
At any given time, a large grocery store has 1-5 people who defaulted on a student loan.
There is clearly something wrong with the US society with that many people who can’t pay for an education, which is needed to barely get a job.
Once again I’m happy to inform you that yes, it’s Ronald Reagan’s fault. Damn his evil soul.
In pants shitting fear of “Creating an Educated Proletariat” Reagan took our system of basically free college and turned it into this mess we have now.
(P.S.: If you piss on Ronald Reagan’s grave in California and are caught by police its a misdemeanor charge carrying a $1000 fine. I don’t know about you but I can budget for this particular bucket list item)
And Reagan adopted his policies from the owner class think tanks. They worked for decades to create the conditions and people needed to realize what transpired under Reagan. 🥲
Yup, my parents paid for tuition, books, leisure, food, and board working a summer job.
I had to use the GI Bill, a part time job in fall, winter, and spring, full time job in the summer, doing almost no leisure, money I saved up while in the military, and money my grandparents gave me
Brought to you by the early 20th century labor movement.
The foundation got laid so strong that people had time to forget what it even was or why it existed, what it was like before. It was worse than today, if you can imagine. Now we’re going to have to build the whole damn thing again. No one “in charge” is planning to help with it, either, just like last time.
Honestly, doing a reboot might be for the best. The process to get it started would be painful and awkward, but it might be worth it if every American can live the rest of our lives in comfort. We should live without worrying about poverty nipping at our heels.
Historically, most “reboots,” at least of the type I think of when you say that, make things worse. I think the labor movement succeeded because it was:
- Laser-focused on achieving the goal at hand
- Concerned with directly applying the existing power of the people towards it
No one was concerned at all about “tearing down” any government or about building up any new structure which was going to “fix” anything. It was dead simple: If you want us to work, pay us what we deserve, otherwise get fucked. Whatever governmental or industrial system wants to stand over that and tell it what to do, honestly doesn’t really matter all that much to it at the end of the day. Which I think is how it should be.
Towards the end, the government came around and started supporting the workers which helped lock in the gains, but they were doing all their changes from the bottom up and building up the strength there as opposed to any concern at all with the top part.
Do they do group rates?
Joe Biden was the Senator most responsible for making those loans undismissible. There is plenty of blame to go around.
And that was the last thing he ever did regarding student loans. 40 years ago. Nothing since. The end. 🙄
Also nobody else who is currently sitting on the Supreme Court who is directly and personally responsible for these particular loans directly not having been forgiven, with actions more recent than 40 years ago, that we might want to bring up also, while we’re calling balls and strikes.
For the record, I already acknowledged what he did as president in a response to another reply. Biden was quite a bit better as president than I thought he would be (for good historical reasons) and I give him full credit for that.
Joe Biden forgave half a trillion dollars worth of student loan debt, the Supreme Court told him he couldn’t, and he still managed to get a couple of hundred billion forgiven.
All this stuff Trump is now undoing is stuff that Biden did. All these people having their wages garnished, are suddenly having problems because of Biden’s people losing the election.
I don’t know what or when you’re talking about here although I assume it is roughly accurate. Biden did all kinds of fucked up stuff from supporting segregation to supporting Clinton’s neoliberalism to the Iraq War and all of it, sure. Israel too, even up to the present day. If you want to tell me we need to get rid of every one of those 1990s Democrats I will 100% agree with you because they are fucking everything up. Biden somehow turned himself into not one of them (except on Israel) even though he was the same age.
I think people are still attacking Biden just out of habit at this point, because what’s done is done. But if his party had won, this particular instance of bullshit (along with an incredible amount more) would not be happening. That’s what is most relevant here. If you want to look at a broader scale, then let’s say that if not for Reagan and for a generation of young people too cool to vote for Democrats because they thought it would help end the Vietnam War if they stopped voting, maybe we’d still be able to support a family on a single income and go to the doctor when we needed to.
Joe Biden forgave half a trillion dollars worth of student loan debt
President Joe Biden did. Senator Joe Biden was responsible from preventing that debt from being forgiven through bankruptcy. It’s absolutely true that Biden doesn’t get enough credit for his progress as President. It’s also true that certain supporters don’t want him held to account for what he did as a Senator.
All this stuff Trump is now undoing is stuff that Biden did.
Biden was a shitty Senator and a much better President. Trump is a demon from the pits of hell surrounded by much smarter demons than himself and committed to destroying everything good and beautiful in the world.
I think people are still attacking Biden just out of habit at this point.
I’m not attacking anyone, just calling balls and strikes. The rise of fascism today is a direct result of the neoliberalism of yesterday, and the reign of fascism will last until the Democratic party turns into something capable of defeating it. That, and a desire for truth to matter, are what motivates me to speak honestly about Democrats.
Yeah, I generally agree with all of this. It’s a little confusing to me because:
Biden was a shitty Senator and a much better President.
the reign of fascism will last until the Democratic party turns into something capable of defeating it
Is a weird juxtaposition. If someone in the Democratic party did turn himself on a personal level into something capable of going good things, why would you want to emphasize how shit he was 30 years ago? I mean, it is true, but also, these were some of the things that a lot of people used to attack him and pretend he wasn’t good now and help lay the electoral groundwork for the horrors we’ve got going on now.
I feel like if you’re motivated to speak honestly, but you’re only speaking about one side of the equation and the one that was less relevant and in fact actively misleading in the election, that’s dishonest. Maybe not. Maybe I am just sensitive about it because of the quantity and volume and variety of dishonest stuff that was levied at him. But that’s where I am coming from in it, at least.
If someone in the Democratic party did turn himself on a personal level into something capable of going good things, why would you want to emphasize how shit he was 30 years ago?
Much better than shit is still a far cry from being ready to deal with a rising fascist movement. I knew it would be a disaster the moment Biden won the 2020 primary. Still, he did surprise me in a whole lot of positive ways, and credit where credit is due.
Speaking only of winning elections and nothing else, the problem the Democrats have electorally is that there is no way to package and sell their neoliberalism. To a right minded policy wonk, Democrats are always the right choice, but most voters aren’t policy wonks.
Getting elected requires a strong narrative. The story Democrats offer is “history is over and it’s all minor improvements from here”. That works OK when things are good, but when people are struggling it comes across very differently. Hillary’s “America is already great!” is a perfect example, but she has a real nack for being out of touch. The only time Democrats have a narrative is when Republicans do something awful, which requires Republicans to be in power. This, we keep flipping parties.
Trump’s narrative in 2024 looked a whole lot more like the classic hero’s journey than I have seen in 50 years. Attacked relentlessly from all sides with his demise predicted constantly, he somehow kept moving forward. Meanwhile, I don’t know what the hell to make of Kamala’s story.
The usual split is a lot less dramatic but, Republicans always have a narrative with heroes and villains, and Democrats rarely do. People want to know why productivity goes up and up and life just keeps getting harder. The Republicans offer an answer, it’s the immigrants, or it’s trans people in the showers with your kid, or it’s DEI treating you unfairly. Democrats have a much better and truer answer, but they won’t articulate it because the oligarchs who fund them won’t like it. So, the answer from Democrats is a whimper.
The only time Democrats have a narrative is when Republicans do something awful, which requires Republicans to be in power.
Biden’s narrative was that we need to have a big raise in corporate taxes, spend almost a trillion dollars finally doing something about climate change, bring domestic manufacturing back to the US and give people working-class jobs again. I sort of suspect that’s why the corporate press was so silent about the good things he did, and so aggressive and loud about the various attacks against him (like that inflation was all his fault, things like that that would resonate with the voters). It’s practically a built-in reflex to them at this point: They know the Republican will set the economy on fire, but they’ll be fine even if some other people won’t be, so by simply setting a line that if anyone crosses them, they will tank that person’s chances even if they’re otherwise doing some good things (and even if doing those things is really necessary for the US to keep functioning) (and even if the alternative is active widespread destruction), they keep teaching the lessons that people in power need to have taught to them. So they can keep control.
You’re not wrong in most of your analysis, I don’t think. But the Democrats didn’t get this way overnight or by accident. It happened on purpose, through natural selection and legalized bribery and threat. And, also, any time they do do something good, someone like you comes along and makes sure to shit all over it and “call balls and strikes” and try to “put it in context” and try to cancel it back out again.
There’s a whole other way to respond to blaming Reagan which is “yeah sure but we have a lot of momentum in people who are sick to death of the same bullshit, Bernie and AOC are drawing record crowds and there’s not even any kind of election going on that would motivate it, we actually probably have a chance at building a framework to do something about this whole broken system. Certainly Trump trying to gut the country for its fixtures and send everyone to ultra-prison will galvanize some opposition, let’s do something with it.”
But no. Instead it’s just this drumbeat of “whoa whoa whoa if you’re talking about Reagan let’s shit on Biden instead” “Democrats are shit” “let’s get discouraged” “it’s all his fault” “no wonder people aren’t excited” “neoliberalism” “doesn’t have a story” “get sad” “it’s all his fault” “remember when he betrayed you?” “most voters aren’t policy wonks” in big discouraging paragraphs.
There’s always something you can dig up, to do it with. And in the end, isn’t demotivating any kind of action or hope or credit for good things, the most important thing?
That would be relevant if Biden were currently president, and it would have been somewhat less relevant had Biden even been the Democratic nominee for president in 2024.
But Biden wasn’t even on the ballot. It’s almost completely irrelevant.
When people talk like this, it just reminds me of how they talked about Hillary for Trump’s entire first term.
It just gives off the air of bad faith. We’re talking about things that are happening right now and are relevant to millions of people. Former politicians can’t be anything except a diversion.
They are a known both sideser
God forbid the Democrats ever get criticized for anything. 🙄
I see more criticism of Democrats than Republicans on this website.
Just my personal experience.
I mean it is fine if someone wants to input some yelling about our distressing “left” party in power in the hopes that it will make it better. What makes it irritating to me is the dishonesty, with made-up attacks that have resonance and emotional weight but no real accuracy to them, and the total disconnection with any type of strategy that could help anything.
“Uncommitted” movement? Fine. Let’s put pressure on the Democrats to be better, in a way that’s organized and has some passable chance of saving some lives. Great stuff.
“Genocide Joe” and “I’m sitting out this election and you should too”? Great, you made things worse for the Palestinians. Joe Biden isn’t running, and Kamala’s opponent just wants to kill them all.
Jon Stewart interviewing AOC about all the horror and corruption in the Democratic party? Great stuff. She’s got some good insight and they both clearly care and are alarmed about the bullshit and trying to do something about it. Great stuff.
“Yeah but while we’re talking about Reagan, isn’t it really Senator Biden’s fault and mostly his along that things are bad in America right now?”
It’s just a bunch of shit. Always has been. And they never change their mind: The “Democrats are shit” theory is all they want to talk about, and if you discuss them into a corner, they’ll just fall back to some kind of generalized nihilism or change to some other assertion about bad things the Democrats did.
There is a theory that it’s proper to block these people, to reduce the blood pressure of your Lemmy experience, but in my opinion it is better to call them out on it when they start up with it.
No you don’t. This place is filled with articles and tens of thousands of comments criticizing the shit that Republicans are doing and Democrats are helping them achieve a lot of their goals, so why shouldn’t we throw these people under the bus too? Quit treating politics like a team sport and wake up to the fact that they’re working together to fuck us all over.
That would be relevant if Biden were currently president
LOL, is Reagan currently President? Read what I replied to before telling me if my comment is relevant.
There is one type of person who looks at a fucked up situation in the world, and things “Who can I talk about who is responsible?” They often pick the biggest, or most recent or relevant target.
There’s another type of person who looks at a fucked up situation in the world, and thinks “Can I connect this to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris in some way?”
It really looks a lot to me here like you are doing the second of those things. You’re allowed to, sure, just like we’re allowed to tell you that it’s a weird thing to do.
If you need more proof, they said Biden was most responsible, but he wasn’t. He didn’t propose the bill. He only tried to improve the bill, knowing that it would pass no matter what he did, and the things he changed did not do what they were talking about. That’s assuming they’re talking about the 2005 bill.
This does not surprise me in the slightest to hear.
Have I said anything that’s not true?
I have no particular personal animosity towards Biden or Harris, except perhaps their handling of the 2024 campaign - and I put that way more on Biden than Harris. I do, however, think that Democrats need to accept that they lost to Trump twice now and start grappling with the question of how they failed so spectacularly. It’s easy to blame MAGA and voter apathy, but how does that lead to better outcomes in the future? What led to the sociological problems that gave rise to the far right in the first place? How did a populace that voted in the first black president suddenly become so racist and bigoted again? Maybe we can blame Republican disinformation, but I don’t see that going away any time soon. The question we have to ask is, what did Democrats do, or not do, that contributed or made things easier for the Republicans? That’s the important question, because it’s the one thing Democrats can actually do something about.
Have I said anything that’s not true?
According to logicbomb, you’re misrepresenting Biden’s involvement with the student loan bill you’re talking about. Was the 2005 bill the one you were talking about? What was in it that you didn’t like and how was Biden responsible for that part of it?
- Reagan did this in the 1980s, Reagan as always, was a big source of modern issues in America.
“Yeah that makes sense, he was the 2nd worst Republican.”
- Biden did this in 2005, and was okay with it until recently.
“Why are you bringing up someone who’s no longer president? Why do you hate the guy who didn’t try hard enough to fix his mistakes?”
Weird how calling someone out from a while for their actions works, but not calling someone out for their actions.
My point was that the relevance of Reagan and Biden go hand in hand. If one is relevant then they both are. We either examine the past and learn from it, or we continue to repeat the mistakes.
and the answer to this problem? let’s kick those already on the floor!!. fuck yeah murica
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This dildo is practically asking for another attempt on his life.
Conservatives will happily take their own wages being garnished as long as there are more liberals whose wages are being garnished than conservatives.
When is Trump going to pay his debts for defamation and fraud he has been found guilty or liable for? How about Trump pays back all the debts erased by his six bankruptcies? If he gained money through fraud, what about the taxes he evaded?
When you make him
I saw forgive his debt in exchange for being skinned alive.
Gotta pay for that birthday parade somehow
