• carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works
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    12 days ago

    I don’t like Trump or the war either but this is literally just propaganda. I trust Iran as much as I trust Trump. Not at all. Foreign authoritarians are not somehow more trustworthy than domestic ones. The phrase “the Epstein Network” is just an attempt to anchor this into domestic political controversies.

    Bluntly Trump doesn’t care about public opinion about this war enough to do this or the lead in to this war would have looked much more like Iraq

  • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    You’re talking about America, the biggest terrorist/genocide state on earth. I don’t think they give a crap which flimsy excuse they need to use to cause terror on nations across the planet. They love war and terror, all to a degree

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      12 days ago

      You’re talking about America, the biggest terrorist/genocide state on earth.

      Second biggest, israel takes the top place.

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        11 days ago

        You fucking wish, Thats like saying a toddler is more dangerous than his dad. That’s another thing you colonist love, to pass the blame and point the finger at others to make yourselves look less guilty.

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    12 days ago

    … The world has gone very wrong when this doesn’t even sound so unbelievable. I only see one issue:

    So far the US seems to have given up trying to make pretext for anything. Trump can do anything he wants and be worshipped for it.

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      12 days ago

      He still has to manufacture consent, and blaming the brown people for random bombings is the classic way. It’s not just unbelievable, it will happen.

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    11 days ago

    Trump started a war to protect himself and his epstein buddies. Nothing is off the table. Human life is cheap for these unfeeling creeps.

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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    12 days ago

    Tbh pushing this narrative far and wide is going to do a LOT to defang the impact of any sort of false flag bullshit the orange regime might attempt.

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    12 days ago

    Normally I would dismiss this as stupid propaganda. Now I am considering it to be an incredulous reality. 😒

  • matlag@sh.itjust.works
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    12 days ago

    This is so well played!

    Now Iran can attempt an attack almost openly on the US soil and many will believe it was an inside job. Well, that’s what happens when you have 0 credibility at home due to your compulsive need to say BS all the time.

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      11 days ago

      lmao you still think brown people are the terrorists?

      I swear some people are unredeemable.

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              10 days ago

              That’s not a race.

              You however think brown people want to blow themselves up in the middle of crowds. Gullible idiot.

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                10 days ago

                That’s not a race.

                It’s your race if you think that is meant to be read literally.

                You however think brown people want to blow themselves up in the middle of crowds. Gullible idiot.

                Quote anything that I’ve ever said that even implies that.

                The US is bombing Iran, and so expecting Iran to attack US targets is not racist, it is an accurate description of the world where Iran is attacking US targets.

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                  10 days ago

                  Now Iran can attempt an attack almost openly on the US soil and many will believe it was an inside job. Well, that’s what happens when you have 0 credibility at home due to your compulsive need to say BS all the time.

                  what makes you think iran want to blow up civilians? you guys do that. Quit projecting yourself as the victim

    • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
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      12 days ago

      Nah, we’ll still be able to tell. Effective, strategic, hits people of all walks of life? Iran. Bungled, half-assed, and happens in a blue city, in a community of color, at a gay bar… you know.

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        12 days ago

        You mean like that “potential drone strike attempt” in California that the FBI said Iran might try to do? Despite it being unlikely that Iran has drones capable of striking California?

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          12 days ago

          A head’s up, totally feasible. A drone strike can be launched from a boat, a box truck, a garage, anywhere you can have an operator to control it.

          I’m not saying that this particular threat was a real problem, but personally I do not understand how the US has not been hit yet. Why is Iran not even bothering?

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            12 days ago

            Because historically, the only two times the USA was actually attacked on USA soil, we retaliated with an unreasonable amount of force. Sure we didn’t nuke anyone after 9/11, but we did after Pearl Harbor and Trump is absolutely demented and egotistical enough to actually try to nuke a country that directly attacks the USA. Plus, attacking Iran is pretty unpopular in the USA because people can tell that we are doing this at the behest of Israel, and they don’t want American soldiers to die fighting Israel’s war (obviously some Americans are fine with this tho bc zionists are loyal to Israel above all else). If Iran attacks the USA directly then suddenly attacking Iran will be wildly popular in the USA, which will mean an even longer and more brutal conflict is guaranteed

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          12 days ago

          Haha, yeah. I saw that too and pondered at the veracity of that claim. If Iran has drones that can fly across the Indian and Pacific Oceans and still hit a target, damn, that’s a helluva technological leap.

        • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
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          12 days ago

          What dimension of chess are we now playing? 6D? 7D? Shit’s going to start blowing up and 1/3 of the people will be claiming it, 1/3 blaming it, and 1/3 lying about it, when in fact it was a laptop battery that overheated.

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      12 days ago

      I call them the Epstein Class. It’s not just this administration, or even one party, or even just politicians in general. It is the global elite and their unjust system of exploitation called capitalism that has allowed Trump to do what he does with no consequences. As long as the Epstein Class exists, there will be more Epsteins.

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        12 days ago

        capitalism

        Think Epstein’s network crossed economic ideological boundaries. Noam Chomsky considered Epstein a good friend while simultaneously being a staunch critic of capitalism. There are signs of being connected to the USSR, China, North Korea, … If Epstein connected with fame or power, it didn’t matter what ‘system’ was in play.

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          11 days ago

          Chomsky only re-wrote theory available elsewhere. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was a plant all along.

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          12 days ago

          Yeah unfortunately some people who were ostensibly on the side of the working class were also caught up with Epstein. There are evil people on every side. I’m not surprised by connections between Epstein and USSR/China/DKP. Epstein was primarily an asset of Mossad and the CIA, who used him to generate kompromat. Would you not expect that entities that are aligned against the western hegemony of the Epstein Class to try to gain access to the blackmail factory? Or it could also just be that they were all pedophiles, too. I don’t know.

          None of this changes the fact that the reason no one truly powerful ever faces consequences for things like Epstein or the Panama Papers is that the political-economic system is designed by the ruling class to benefit those few people lucky enough to own capital. Wealth = Power.

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    12 days ago

    I find this claim I just read in a headline more credible than any of the claims released by the Epstein network because I feel like that’s pretty fucking obvious they’re either trying to provoke an attack or make a false flag look more believable.

    Just a friendly reminder that this happened a few weeks ago:

    European police agencies said on Friday that 22 people had been identified as being part of attacks involving a series of exploding parcels in ‌Europe in 2024, which the Russian military intelligence service was suspected of being behind…Explosions occurred in courier depots in Britain, Germany and Poland with security officials suggesting they were part of a test run for a Russian plot to trigger explosions on cargo flights to the United States.