One more example that our “labor” party is anti-labor and pro-business; awful pay and the worst benefits of the first world, even eastern Europe has more benefits.

You looking into my account makes sense, you’re one of “those” people.

It’s not an “electoral victory”; laws made by the major parties make this virtually impossible federally. However, their influence is still felt and makes changes.

For example, Greens have been fighting tooth and nail for environmental concerns since the 1980s; they pulled many votes, and viola! Now it’s part of the Democratic platform. Libertarians fought tooth and nail for marijuana reform since the 1970s, pulling votes… Ds want those votes! Viola, many Ds have incorporated this into their platform today. Socialists have been fighting for labor since at least 1910, and viola! This was incorporated into Democratic platform in 1930s.

Our major parties don’t give them an ounce of credit, but even a few thousand votes gets their attention.

Yes! Third party votes pressure D and R to change their platform and get those votes.

Even if you don’t think so, it still happens. For example, Socialists have been fighting for a minimum wage since 1910 (and still fight for higher wages today). They are the only reason for Democrats adopting a pro-labor position in the 30s. I could go on, but it’s all brand new to you, you’d lose your mind. Baby steps.

No, it’s really not a vote for Trump. Those votes aren’t his, or Harris’s

You can tell because they count the votes and everything. Oops, I mean, everybody else can tell. Just not you.

Damn, even when you control all elections with gerrymandering and anti-third-party laws, you still blame third parties.

Meanwhile, here in the USA elections and law say it’s all due to our major parties. I guess you just can’t face reality, that’s sad.

Yeah, I don’t think being able to buy an AR-15 with a 3-day wait is “strict gun control”, but you can believe that if you’d like.

It’s, like, the exact opposite of strict gun control. That’s a gun delay, oh no

Absurdly, we all finance these pedophiles, their very favorite place to conceal themselves is the church/temple/mosque, and these are all tax free.

And now they can openly campaign, it’s getting worse, not better.

Me “Biden and Nixon are both Presidents”

You “So they’re the same!!”

Me “No”

You’re right, the mods are unhinged, almost Reddit level.

Me “cacti and junipers are both plants”

You “So they’re the same!”

Me “No…”

Me… “cars and trucks are both vehicles”

You… “So they’re the same.”

Me… “No.”

Me… “horses and tigers are both quadrupeds”

You… “So they’re the same!!”

Me… “No.”

Me… “both of our parties are beholden to Super PACs”

You… “So they must be the same!”

Me… “No.”

Democrats have consistently advocated for its increase. Including a proposal to raise it to $15/hour in the 2024 platform.

Yes, they advocate for many things that they will not do. Biden had a majority for two years, proposed it, a few Democrats voted against, and that’s that. Did they try to at least raise it a little, say to nine an hour? No, why bother? It’s always a few Democrats; Super PACs don’t have to pay everybody. Just enough.

This seems to be mostly determined by states. Several have mandated times. Plus, the Democrats push FAMILY act, which would federally require 12 paid weeks. The Pregnant Workers Fairness Act was passed in 2022 - requiring better accommodations for pregnant women.

That’s neat, but did you know that we are surpassed by the entire first world with worker benefits, and now even eastern Europe? That’s pro-labor? No. No, it is not. If Poland increases their minimum wage another dollar, they will surpass the USAs “labor party” in results in every way.

Democrats push the Protecting the Right to Organize Act - aims to expand collective bargaining rights and strengthen penalties for labor violations. Executive actions under Biden: Repealed Trump-era EOs that weakened collective bargaining

Union membership has fallen down to 10%, from 40% in the 1970s. Union membership does not rise under D administrations, that’s a fact.

Trying to equate the Republicans and Democrats on these issues is absolutely asinine

They are both pro-business and anti-labor, and anyone who disagrees (specifically you) should be under supervised care and hidden from the public. Japan, Australia, Canada, South Korea, United Kingdom, Western and Eastern Europe all prove that you are wrong. They have real labor parties, not the shallow mockery of one we have in the USA.

completely indefensible and based on sheer ignorance.

Only a dimwitted ignoramus would think that the Democrats are “pro-labor” when compared to the rest of civilization as we know it. You bring shame to yourself and your family

People like you, too lazy to do the slightest research and subsisting on lazy assumptions and memes, are why a convicted pedophile is currently the president.

People like you will always lick the boot, because you’re fine with union membership and pay dropping every year, immune to the suffering of labor all around you in spite of mountains of evidence to the contrary, and eager to believe that things are different than they really are. They should take away your driver’s license.

Yes, local and state is filled with decent progressive Democrats, also socialists, libertarians, green party, and more.

Federal? One pro-labor Democrat has been allowed to take office, yay… and she agrees with me (that Democrats have abandoned labor).

Leadership “allows” them to exist, after all you can’t just load them all into work camps. Yet.

“Both sides are anti-labor” is not “both sides are the same”.

Some day it will sink in, and boy will you feel dumb

Of course! With state politics, even third parties have had some success (socialist, green, libertarian, et al).

The Fed leadership of the party will always tolerate low-level activists, we even have one congressperson who is pro-labor.

She agrees with me; Democrats abandoned labor long ago.

They’re not the same, but both are anti-labor and pro-corporate. Neither provides any benefits for workers, Rs have always been awful and Ds have ignored labor for decades.

Poland has better worker benefits than the USA… we’ve been surpassed by Japan, Australia, Korea, Canada, most of Europe and now even eastern Europe. Sad.

Citation needed? Your imagination does not dictate reality… where did you hear this? Seriously

In the PNW you can buy AR-15s, shotguns, rifles, semi-auto pistols, and more.

I think you’re confusing PNW with New York or some other location with “strict gun control”, which really just means that you travel to another state to purchase firearms anyway.

Firearm sales have tripled since 2000, that’s our bread and butter.

So they elected candidates who historically have opposed labor protections and government benefits

In the USA, all candidates oppose labor protections and government benefits; it’s not as if the Democrats provide relief.

(min. wage 7.25, no sick leave, no maternity leave, no vacation, fire at will, no union protections, unions down to 10% (from 40% in 70s))

Both parties are not the same, but they are both pro-corporate and anti-labor