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A jury of the defendant’s peers just said “FUCK YOU!”
Continuing the great American tradition of jury nullification
here’s hoping Luigi and Tyler get off too for the same reason.
It’s actually pretty insane that this has happened, what, twice now in only a few weeks, both cases related to the fed occupations. I can’t even remember the last time an acquittal like this happened before that, though I don’t follow this stuff closely. I think OJ is the last one I’m aware of but that’s obviously a totally different situation. I was definitely expecting s different outcome, but good for him. I remember in the video they called him “Superman”, lol. I guess so!
My education is in the works. Is this actually an example of jury nullification? Like, what he did was actually illegal, but the jury presumably, thought the law was unjust? Or is throwing a sandwich at ICE just not illegal?
It is, by the letter of the law, assault (and battery, if that’s a separate thing there). But the jury is not bound in any way as to whether they find a defendant guilty or not guilty.
He threw an object in hostility at a (supposed) federal employee, which could be assault. Jury said no, because they can.
Not a lawyer but my reading of it is that, in other context, this fact pattern could theoretically lead to a conviction. It is hard to imagine a sandwich causing actual harm, though, so it is probably unethical to have even brought charges knowing it is such bullshit.
If the sandwhich don’t fit you must acquit!
Border Patrol Officer Greg Lairmore received two “gag gifts” related to the incident — a plush sandwich and a patch featuring a cartoon of Dunn throwing the sandwich with the words “Felony Footlong” — which the defense team argued showed this was not a serious event in his life.
That is amazing.
Did John Oliver send those?
Lairmore had testified that the sandwich “exploded all over” his chest and claimed he could smell mustard and onions. But a photo showed that the sandwich was still in its wrapper on the ground after it hit Lairmore in his bulletproof vest.
So he perjured himself, then? Surely something’s going to come of that? No? Huh, okay, then.
So I was on a jury. The officer involved testified on some things that made it sound very bad for the defendant.
Then we saw the body cam of part the interaction. Technically what he said was true but extremely exaggerated. Made us discount everything he said that wasn’t on video.
We ended thinking the defendant was probably guilty but they didn’t prove it so we decided not guilty.
Thats how the jury i was on went but it was before body cams. Basically they said dude was “exchanging small packages for money” implying he was dealing drugs. The cops claimed he tossed the “small packages” when he drove off. They never collected these “small packages” so how do i know what they were?
We all thought dude was probably guilty but that the police work was too shoddy to convict. Cop looked pissed on the way out of court.
If the sandwich did not split, you must acquit!
comment of the century.
You missed your calling in life. This comment would have blown up the legal world if said in court.
Im sad it wasn’t done.
He also claimed he felt it through his Kevlar vest. Didn’t know sandwiches are more powerful than bullets.
To be fair he was a little bitch, and little bitches feel everything.
Is
Is a little bitch
ironic since they’re heartless
There is a big difference between being able to feel something and being injured by it.
It hit him right in the fee fees, and badly damaged his already fwagile mascuwinity.
You need special plating to handle those sub-sonic sandwiches.
To be fair, while wearing one you can feel someone lightly patting you on the chest. I’m sure he did feel it but no way on earth did it hurt.
He also claimed he felt it through his Kevlar vest. Didn’t know sandwiches are more powerful than bullets.
Clearly this was a Subway sandwich with an armor piercing tungsten penetrator ingredient. Evidence submitted by the prosecution cited Subway corporation’s recent advertising campaign featuring the slogan “I can’t get enough of that tungsten!”. This branding campaign was, of course, a backpedal from Subway’s previous offering of a Depleted Uranium penetrator which was largely shunned by sandwich consumers as being ‘unhealthy’. /s
It’s a feeling
Kevlar doesn’t stop feelings 🥹
This should result in a Brady-Giglio impairment for the cop since it happened in open court. He should be done as a cop.
Cops do it constantly. TBH I’d chalk that level of bullshit up to them constantly using ChatGPT to write their reports now, except that they’ve been pulling the same bullshit forever and getting away with it nearly every single time.
I firmly believe that police officer testimony that can’t be backed up by bodycam footage shouldn’t even be admissible. There’s essentially no reason for a cop to not have their bodycam turned on at all times unless they specifically chose to turn it off, so there’s no reason we should have to accept testimony without it.
Wasn’t there a case of police officers badly beating someone and then claiming his blood stains on their uniforms were destruction of police property or some such?
I’m not aware of that specific case, but yeah that tracks. I’ve read about incidents where the cops were enraged about things like victims of traffic accidents or assaults by officers being soaked in blood, getting it on them, and stating that they ‘didn’t want to risk getting hepatitis/AIDS’ as justification for declining to provide lifesaving medical intervention. In some cases, the delay in care led to deaths, while they stood by, and weren’t censured by their departments.
They’ve been using seizures from acute health incidents and tazers both as justification for escalation of force because “suspects were resisting” for quite a while.
Such a delicate flower, isn’t he?
More like a snowflake ❄️
it is actually worth pursuing that…
even just posting comments about that on every news video about it on youtube would help.
we have a rare combination of undeniable, clear video evidence vs. sworn testimony in court that is unambiguously a lie.
There’s no real wiggle room on that.
Why not call prosecutors and annoy them? Or send letters to the judge?You can’t really perjure someones opinions or recollections, only a direct and provable lie. He says the sandwich ‘exploded’ and he could smell sandwich contents. He probably got some amount of sauce or something on him, even if he didn’t, photographs can’t prove with any certainty it did or did not happen and you certainly can’t disprove he could smell onions and mustard.
Ahahaha, what a hero
🎶There goes my hero… Watch him as he throws! 🎵
The fact that this guy had to go to court at all to defend himself is just asinine. These dumb fascist fucks are a bunch of thin skinned bullies.
Not really sure its because they are thin skinned. Its part of the facist playbook. You have to make an example of anyone that steps out of line.
It’s also a pretty clear example of SLAPP prosecution.
I thought SLAPP was for civil cases though?
I’m not referring to any specific legislation, more the concept. It’s designed to discourage people from participating in the legal system at all.
This is clearly judicial harrassment … this prosecutor is now likely to lose his job. If sandwich guy is smart he will sue about 4-5 different people/groups.
DC is practicing Jury Nullification … wondering if the Juries there would steamroll these lawsuits forward.
This was a HUGE waste of OUR hard earned tax dollars. This should NEVER have gone to trial. I’m embarrassed to call myself an American.
Any time the prosecution wasted on this is time not spent on something else
I’m sorry you had to waste your time, but thank you for your service sub sandwich guy 🫡
Good point! If they are going to use up our resources anyways, its probably best they are as inefficient and incompetent as possible. Plus, there’s the added benefit that the prosecutor and agency have further damaged their credibility - possible ammo for future defense cases.
That sandwich is a hero
slow clap
The jury — which feasted on sandwiches for lunch Thursday, according to a person familiar with jury lunches — deliberated the charges for several hours Wednesday and Thursday before delivering the verdict.
Is that jury tampering? Lol
Lettuce be heard!
Proceed, my breadren.
That guy got himself out of quite the pickle
🎵🎶There goes my gyro
Soooo… We PAID for this B.S. We paid for the arrest, check the number of uniformed tax-payer funded officers. We paid for the prosecution, we paid for the court, we paid for the jury, we paid and paid AFTER the famously sandwich-indicting Grand Jury wouldn’t touch this case.
Somehow it feels like the DA should be relieved of their duties.
Sooooo new trend? Subs for fascists?
Sounds funny, but maybe donate the food instead to your local shelter or food bank in these hard times? :)
If anyone deserves to not have food, it’s the fascists. If protesters could suddenly become pro tennis players and hit the canisters back at ICE, though, that would make me so happy.
I’ve seen a couple of videos now of people kicking tear gas canisters back in mid-air. I couldn’t find both, but here’s one of them: https://xcancel.com/timourazhari/status/1206211921931898880
Edit: changed link from x to xcancel.
Thanks for reminding me! Edited.
Terrible idea, but so damn satisfying.
tennis players and hit the canisters back at ICE
That’s a felony for every cop who claims they were discomforted…
That’s why people use cones/buckets to contain it.
Please stop giving out dangerous information
You are correct that it would be a felony, however that could be the case for throwing anything at anyone. I said it would make me happy, which is not the same as telling people it’s a safe or legal thing to do, nor that they should actually do it.
Thank you for clarifying for folks but everyone should take this as a reminder that you should take anything you read on the internet with a grain of salt.
Yes, everyone should take it as a reminder not to listen to people on social media with no idea what they’re talking about.
Because obviously the people spreading dangerous information will insist “just a joke bro”.
Even if you’re not lying now, you’re gonna keep doing it. You’re going to get someone hurt and seriously fuck up their lives from behind your keyboard. Like, either youre naive enough to think /s isn’t needed, or you just don’t give a fuck that some people will invariably not “get the joke”.
Lots of right wingers are going to be springing up on similarly fresh accounts doing the same thing intentionally for nefarious reasons.
Maybe you’ll stop, but I doubt it. Some people just don’t have empathyenough for others to put a second thought into the consequences of their actions or even words.
Fresh account? I’ve been here two years, so I’m not sure what you think you’re saying with that.
And I maintain - I wasn’t joking. It would make me happy if ICE got a taste of their own medicine. It’s not a lack of empathy, it’s reading comprehension.
Okay, well if we’re talking about what’s deserved, there should be a hammer in the sub. I’m simply talking about what there is now case law for.
Cheese slap time baby!
I’m all for it if we’re talking the homemade style that are steered with a game controller.
