The article is from march and the accident happened in November 2024.
I played Cyberpunk 2077 and Hitman: World of Assassinations. In Cyberpunk 2077 one hack in the game is to literally make the car explode (you need to be a high level Netrunner for that) and other hacks involve making the car accelerate unstoppably or engage emergency brakes (rendering it immobile). I’ve seen Teslas not only burn like hell with the doors somehow having an autolock feature always engaging at that time. It just makes me wonder how long it will be before one such Tesla fire is found to be a deliberate action by another to commit murder?
I am surprised that it hasn’t happened yet.
I think Musk has openly stated that he wants to be Arasaka
Remember Musk has access to all the car switches, pedals, steering, etc. if it happens often enough, it won’t be odd when it’s convenient for him that someone is burned alive in one of his mobile ovens.
one of his mobile ovens.
The real dream of all true Nazis.
Yeah, I guess history does repeat itself…
it hasn’t happened because the cars can do it on their own just fine
You can hack cars and it has happened in the past but usually it requires physical access to the car. Even today they don’t really have network access which would open the entire car OS up to the internet (For what should be fairly obvious reasons). So you can’t just install a virus.
Of course if you do have physical access to the car you could just do something much less sophisticated like planting a bomb, it seems unnecessarily complicated to develop a system that would wait until the car is in a vulnerable position and then take control and crash it.
I’m pretty sure that Teslas do have network access as they’re updated remotely. Unless I’m misremembering.
You can pop trunks and doors on a Tesla wirelessly using a flipper zero, which anyone can buy for ~100 bucks.
Everything in a Tesla is remote controllable, down to the odometer. It’s through Tesla’s own system but I am 100% sure that system has an Internet connection.
Heck I patched in my non-smart-car into my smarthome using an Onstar integration, I can lock and start it using Siri. Tesla’s system is just a way beefier version of Onstar. I wouldn’t be shocked if there was an app just for Elon to play with it all.
Snopes is such shit now. Did they get bought or something? They’ve been trying really hard the last couple years to make things very lenient for the right wing.
Is that what happened? I was kinda amazed by the amount of ads in there now. Snopes article aside, the stats in that image are misleading. Surprisingly many people die in car fires, and EV’s have a much lower rate of that. Of course, the cyber truck is still a dumpster fire.
this whole article might as well just be this emoji: 🤷
Well thankfully only those buying cyber trucks are maga… so darwin’s law I guess
Or stupid tech bros/MBAs with a lot of money in their pockets and not much in their brains for common decency. At least this explains the rare cyber truck I’ve spotted here in Mexico.
They’re fucking everywhere in Denver for some reason. I see at least one a day.
Engineers stopped doing things simply because analysts determined that businesses can make more money by selling products with complicated and unnecessary garbage.
Of course, no sympathy for people who get screwed over for buying a car that costs more than my house.
Another person who saw wealth as something to be used for status, not to help those who have less. Rest in piss.
Where can you can buy a house for $70k?
There are some real dumps in the world. The house can be fine but if the neighbourhood is bad it’s going to affect the price no matter what else is going on.
You can buy a lot and park a trailer on it for less than that in the midwest. They never said it was a nice house in a nice location.
I don’t know why anyone would ever buy a Tesla
I know two uber-like drivers, but they’re on a better contract. One owns an EV and uses it for work: 100% tax credit that forces him to live a spartan existence and put his tax refund toward a better life. His peer, though, makes 100k+ doing fucking uberlyft work.
Combine those two and you’re sleeping in a fantastic car.
Just make sure you get a used one with the lidar rig.
Hang on I don’t understand what the tax has to do with anything but whatever.
Electric vehicles aren’t unsafe it’s just Tesla’s stop equating the two things
Nothing about what you just said explains why anyone would want a Tesla; more the benefit of having an EV period. There are better EVs out there than a Tesla.
“You’re crashing it wrong”
They didn’t put it in crash mode before the collision. 100% the owners responsibility.
Known bug.
Out of scope. Won’t be fixed.
Do we have a tally somewhere of people killed by Teslas? I bet they racked up quite the high score up until now.
warning: there’s a lot :/
I was gonna say that given that there’s about 40k traffic deaths per year in the US, 700 deaths from Tesla seems low. But I looked up deaths over distance and Tesla is in fact in the lead with 5.6 deaths per billion miles. Kia and Buick coming up behind them with 5.5 and 4.8 respectively.
There’s some disagreement about how Tesla’s safety compares to other brands though, with one study giving it the highest fatal accident rate and others giving Tesla a good safety score.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/01/11/tesla-fatality-rates/
The disagreement doesn’t really seem like a contradiction from my reading. The studies that give Tesla good marks are doing it based upon crash test results, which Teslas tend do pretty well on. The studies that give Tesla bad marks are doing based upon actual statistics from the field, and the numbers don’t lie.
My assumption would be there’s a few factors for this. It could be partly due to the sort of people who drive Teslas are more likely to crash them (this is probably why Buick is also so high on the list - too many senior drivers). Though my hunch is Tesla’s self-driving implementation is a major part of it.
The number of fatal crashes and the safety score are not the same measures.
Insurance actuaries know the correct answer and Teslas are among the most expensive vehicles to insure, along with Dodge Ram pickups for obvious reasons.
Teslas turning off the autopilot feature less than a second before a crash, also helps keep that safety score high for the company. Its obviously driver error they couldn’t avoid an accident in < 1 second. https://futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report
No, they still count that as self-driving caused
Should we really be counting the ones where someone else rear ends a tesla and dies? That’s like saying the stairs killed someone who tripped over their own feet and fell down them.
If the car is disproportionately unsafe to crash into, yes.
That’s a point. I feel like crashing into a cybertruck would be like just hitting a steel wall. No crumpling or anything.
Compared with hitting a big rock?
Is that more or less than any other car maker?
That’s pretty normal in a car crash, no? The frame crumples and the doors often get stuck.
Except in these, there are no fucking handles. So, even if you tried. Nope. No power no open. And with the hardened glass that would normally allow a rescuer to just shatter a window… Nope.
Enjoy dying in a fire.
Yeah, facts would be useful here, rather than speculation
- maybe the frame was deformed so the door couldn’t open
- maybe the door was locked
- maybe the button or solenoid was broken or unpowered
Maybe the lack of mechanical latch is to blame but we don’t know that yet
It’s called a fail safe the clue is in the name. The failure mode of a mechanism is it’s safe mode.
In cars with mechanical locks they require power to be in the locked position in the unlocked position a solenoid loses power and a mechanical spring pulls it into the unlocked position. So when it fails and loses power the default is to unlock. Sure the mechanism could become damaged and bent out of shape but we’re talking about a sliding bolt here, something that can be manipulated with a mechanical lever like a key.
Cars unlock the doors during a crash and this has been the standard for quite some time.
Who cares, FSD is so safe that doors opening in emergencies isn’t really necessary.
I’m joking of course, fuck.
Wcgw when there’s no physical override?
There’s an app for that.
Most modern cars automatically lock doors when you reach certain speed (like 20km/h). I checked and automatically unlocking door on impact is a separate feature that may or may not be present in a car. So I think you won’t be able to open most modern cars from the outside after a crash. The only difference is that you will open other cars from the inside without issues while in Tesla you have to use other door handle in front seats and it’s really complicated to open them from the back seats. Is that right?
which is so stupid, who would break in your car at 20kmh?
I always thought the opposite would make much more sense, locking doors when you’re below 10kmh and unlocking once driving
Firefighters always struggle more to open locked doors (duh) as much as I hate those, I don’t think it’s something specific to it.
It’s to prevent you from accidentally opening the door.
It’s more to keep you from being carjacked than for accidental door openings.
yes protect me from being carjacked at speed
The doors still stay locked when you stop. At least for mine the doors don’t unlock again until you put it park. They just lock when you start moving because the vehicle moving is a good indication that you don’t need the doors unlocked anymore.
the automatic transmission cars ive driven that were similar locked when you took it out of park
That’s all bullshit of course. Cars lock the doors when going above a certain speed for the first time and the airbag control module always sends a crash signal across the various can buses during an airbag deployment event that is used by various other control units for example to unlock the doors or kill the gas pump. My twenty year old Audi had that
I still can open the doors from inside, just not from outside
That sounds like a design problem that could be solved. At least for the whole doing wholly accidentally, me pulling the door handle because I’m stimming not withstanding.
What I learned about design decisions, especially in IT, is that there’s a reason why things are designed the way they are. Before proposing an entirely new solution to problems that can be seen due to the current design, I’ve learned to try to understand first. Only tech bros will reinvent trains or build Cybertrucks.
Agreed, I should e specified that I meant old school pull handles for the inside of the car. Like what 90s and early 00s Toyotas had.
Children are a design problem
I guess they don’t lock/unlock constantly because that would be annoying in stop and go traffic.
Also probably really bad for solenoids and locking mechanisms.
I think that’s the big reason. Lots of wear
Yes, they don’t. What good would that be for the intended purpose, e.g. coming to a stop at a red light.
Also they don’t want people to know the lock parts are probably cheap nylon and zinc pot metal designed to crack after 7,000 uses. :o lol
