This is what allowing media consolidation got you, Democrats. Sinclair has been putting its thumb on the scale for decades and you did nothing, even while they were having a measurable negative impact to Democratic support.
Perhaps most blatantly:
Sinclair executive David Smith met with Donald Trump during the 2016 election year, in which he told the future president, “We are here to deliver your message.”
Yeah! The Democrats are the real villains here!! Not the actual fascists running the show, doing the evil, pulling the triggers, deporting the innocent, ignoring the laws… Fuck off with this hindsight blame game shit. Fascism is here and the real blame lies on the American people.
Murc’s law is named after the insight of the eponymous LGM commenter that, in American politics, only Democrats are assumed to have agency. Republicans are like rocks rolling down hill or perhaps sharks eating seals: they do what they do because that’s just what they are, so there’s no point in holding them responsible for anything, since they could not do o[t]herwise.
But it’s also very accurate because the right simply doesn’t listen. They might as well be literal rocks. There is no discussion or debate to be had because they don’t follow your reality or logic.
Yeah, I’ve seen/heard it mentioned before, but The Professional Left podcast brought it up again. I’m fairly certain I’ve heard them mention it over the years, multiple times.
Anyway, it provides convenient shorthand for something you just read/hear all the freaking time. It’s like ever since I became politically aware, decades ago, it’s been there, but hard to put a name to. I’m sure this goes way, way back to at least the 1950s: “The Democrats made the Republicans form the John Birch Society!”
Get the fuck out of here, stop excusing the Democrats. If they had any guts, or loyalty, they would have been popular enough to defeat these Republicans posing an existential threat to the Republic they claim to represent.
After the last three presidential shit shows in a row and you are still excusing these Democrats like they are doing an acceptable job? We already knew what the Republicans were, and we did nothing to stop them, or Worse believed The Establishment Democrats were able and willing to stop them. Fuck your law. The Democrats are fucking worthless and it’s about time you admit you made a mistake so we can get opposition leaders that can win.
Who is excusing the Democrats? What do you want people to do, right now? The Democrats have next to no power right now. Why are they getting all the blame for everything that Republicans do?
I want people to demand new leadership in the Democratic Party. To demand every establishment fuck resigns their seat in the party leadership.
Which does not even touch on how somehow we have not had a single Challenger for house or senate, or the fucking presidency last year. What is wrong with this party? I know the answer I want you to think about it.
Because there is no way we get rid of our current government under the leadership of this opposition party.
Oh, don’t get it twisted: I have my issues with the Democratic Party. Many things drive me crazy about the party. The “moderates” within the party like Manchin. Or the turncoat Fetterman. And just where the fuck have most of them been under this regime? Schumer is supposed to be our firebrand?
And we have a whole lot of supposed activists that seem mostly fired up about identity politics instead of old-school labor activism. Preoccupied with being liberal scolds and trying to shame and ostracize people who might not use the most updated terms for all things, or not be 100% on board for all things left, but might be 80% there. Further polarizing and pushing away people who should be our allies, even if they are merely “pale males”. We had better get as many votes from everyone as possible. If we are only seeking votes from the winners of the Oppression Olympics, we are well and truly fucked.
But as far as actionable things…how do you propose to make anyone you’ve deemed as “establishment” resign? Did you campaign for a challenger? Do we have a stable of challengers somewhere that are viable? All this shit takes money, too - what billionaires are helping to fund any of this?
We need to take the d party from state and county level, and national, and when that fails, as I expect it will for the DCCC, they should be frozen out, mocked, ridiculed, and an alternative organization built out.
Az did as much years back, but they did not have the support of any big picture National Organization to be able to build out an alternate organization as the moderates hid their lists and valuable information and give it to their own alternative organization.
We will never be able to get a stable of Challengers with the party actively suppressing them as we speak. The first step is organizing and getting rid of these hacks that failed us three elections in a row and continue to not realize their mistake.
Finding good candidates needs to be on some forum, perhaps in numerable groups Federated on a national, or International forum where people could cooperate on what they agree on both publicly and privately, where we could find and groom political candidates. But also too work on Collective actions, like if you do not support this thing this many of us will not vote for you type stuff. It would have to be Federated because if not they would find some illegality and illegalize the entire thing. They might do so anyway.
Bad take. It’s not hindsight when everyone was screaming about it, again, literally over a decade ago, and no attempt was made by the Obama or Biden era FCC to regulate it. Maybe you personally weren’t aware of how dangerous this issue was becoming, but many of us were, including, importantly, Democrats in Congress.
When a train is heading for you, and you see it several minutes away, it’s also your responsibility to step off the tracks before it actually runs you over.
So you’re saying that the Republicans planned for this, set in motion the plan and executed the plan, but the Democrats let it happen so it’s on them. Why, I think that’s a page right out of the narcissist handbook.
No, that’s the straw man you’ve created and attributed to me. I’m not going to continue this discussion, because it’s predicated on reading comprehension and good faith.
This is what allowing media consolidation got you, Democrats. Sinclair has been putting its thumb on the scale for decades and you did nothing, even while they were having a measurable negative impact to Democratic support.
Perhaps most blatantly:
Yeah! The Democrats are the real villains here!! Not the actual fascists running the show, doing the evil, pulling the triggers, deporting the innocent, ignoring the laws… Fuck off with this hindsight blame game shit. Fascism is here and the real blame lies on the American people.
It’s probably another example of Murc’s Law. And once you see Murc’s Law in action, you can never unsee it. You’ll see it everywhere, and every day.
https://whereofonecanspeak.com/2023/03/02/youve-probably-never-heard-of-murcs-law-but-youve-seen-it-in-action-lots-of-times/
[emphasis mine]
That great description from : https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/12/the-paradoxical-limits-of-murcs-law
This is the first I have heard of Murc’s law. It succinctly describes the nature of American politics. It’s uncanny.
But it’s also very accurate because the right simply doesn’t listen. They might as well be literal rocks. There is no discussion or debate to be had because they don’t follow your reality or logic.
Yeah, I’ve seen/heard it mentioned before, but The Professional Left podcast brought it up again. I’m fairly certain I’ve heard them mention it over the years, multiple times.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-933-meanwhile-in-local-fascism/id352076108?i=1000727128679
Anyway, it provides convenient shorthand for something you just read/hear all the freaking time. It’s like ever since I became politically aware, decades ago, it’s been there, but hard to put a name to. I’m sure this goes way, way back to at least the 1950s: “The Democrats made the Republicans form the John Birch Society!”
Get the fuck out of here, stop excusing the Democrats. If they had any guts, or loyalty, they would have been popular enough to defeat these Republicans posing an existential threat to the Republic they claim to represent.
After the last three presidential shit shows in a row and you are still excusing these Democrats like they are doing an acceptable job? We already knew what the Republicans were, and we did nothing to stop them, or Worse believed The Establishment Democrats were able and willing to stop them. Fuck your law. The Democrats are fucking worthless and it’s about time you admit you made a mistake so we can get opposition leaders that can win.
Who is excusing the Democrats? What do you want people to do, right now? The Democrats have next to no power right now. Why are they getting all the blame for everything that Republicans do?
I want people to demand new leadership in the Democratic Party. To demand every establishment fuck resigns their seat in the party leadership.
Which does not even touch on how somehow we have not had a single Challenger for house or senate, or the fucking presidency last year. What is wrong with this party? I know the answer I want you to think about it.
Because there is no way we get rid of our current government under the leadership of this opposition party.
Oh, don’t get it twisted: I have my issues with the Democratic Party. Many things drive me crazy about the party. The “moderates” within the party like Manchin. Or the turncoat Fetterman. And just where the fuck have most of them been under this regime? Schumer is supposed to be our firebrand?
And we have a whole lot of supposed activists that seem mostly fired up about identity politics instead of old-school labor activism. Preoccupied with being liberal scolds and trying to shame and ostracize people who might not use the most updated terms for all things, or not be 100% on board for all things left, but might be 80% there. Further polarizing and pushing away people who should be our allies, even if they are merely “pale males”. We had better get as many votes from everyone as possible. If we are only seeking votes from the winners of the Oppression Olympics, we are well and truly fucked.
But as far as actionable things…how do you propose to make anyone you’ve deemed as “establishment” resign? Did you campaign for a challenger? Do we have a stable of challengers somewhere that are viable? All this shit takes money, too - what billionaires are helping to fund any of this?
We need to take the d party from state and county level, and national, and when that fails, as I expect it will for the DCCC, they should be frozen out, mocked, ridiculed, and an alternative organization built out.
Az did as much years back, but they did not have the support of any big picture National Organization to be able to build out an alternate organization as the moderates hid their lists and valuable information and give it to their own alternative organization.
We will never be able to get a stable of Challengers with the party actively suppressing them as we speak. The first step is organizing and getting rid of these hacks that failed us three elections in a row and continue to not realize their mistake.
Finding good candidates needs to be on some forum, perhaps in numerable groups Federated on a national, or International forum where people could cooperate on what they agree on both publicly and privately, where we could find and groom political candidates. But also too work on Collective actions, like if you do not support this thing this many of us will not vote for you type stuff. It would have to be Federated because if not they would find some illegality and illegalize the entire thing. They might do so anyway.
Two things can be true at the same time.
How’s that working out for you? Bringing meaningful change? Hmm?
Hows ignoring truths you don’t like working out for you? Bringing meaningful change? Hmm?
What am I ignoring?
To over-simplify:
Republicans == evil
Democrats == complicit
Bad take. It’s not hindsight when everyone was screaming about it, again, literally over a decade ago, and no attempt was made by the Obama or Biden era FCC to regulate it. Maybe you personally weren’t aware of how dangerous this issue was becoming, but many of us were, including, importantly, Democrats in Congress.
When a train is heading for you, and you see it several minutes away, it’s also your responsibility to step off the tracks before it actually runs you over.
So you’re saying that the Republicans planned for this, set in motion the plan and executed the plan, but the Democrats let it happen so it’s on them. Why, I think that’s a page right out of the narcissist handbook.
No, that’s the straw man you’ve created and attributed to me. I’m not going to continue this discussion, because it’s predicated on reading comprehension and good faith.
Ooh you’re one of those types. Gotcha. Enjoy the fall of America from your high horse, buddy!
Not the villains. But they should do what they need to do to balance the play field.