This was bound to happen, and it’s ridiculous
Ministers want it all for themselves! Ha!
Yeah, they want VPN for themselves to watch their CSAM. And to fight CSAM you have to let government sedan all your data and communication.
Is it still legal for parents to cut up baby dicks there?
“Think of the children” is always bullshit.
The theme throughout my entire life is more and more control. I can’t even go from point A to point B in my city without being recorded every step of the way.
Starting to look like a Big Brother future.
The thing that annoys me the most about it (well, aside from the massive invasion of civil liberties and general dystopian behaviour) is that we don’t even get any of the fringe benefits of it. By that I mean, if I contact the government because I need some information about myself (recent examples: vaccine history, polling information, National Insurance query etc.) they act as if they’ve never been contacted by a person before and seem to immediately go into a panic and send you in a big loop of Other People Who Might Have It, with the end goal seeming to be “nobody knows where it is, let’s just hope they give up and stop asking.”
Like if the government must insist on tracking every single thing I do and say and look at and place I go to, the least they could do is actually have that info to hand so I can use it too. It seems the more they track us, the less capable they are of actually doing anything useful with that information.
Does the government actually own all this information about us though, or is it all outsourced with various private companies?
Stop touching boys inappropriately
I skipped a word in that title and read
Stop using VPNs to watch porn, ministers told
Which i prefer, honestly
Our representatives do not represent us.
They were all bought decades ago.
This pisses me off so much. They don’t give a single solitary fuck about kids OR their safety online. If they did, they wouldn’t do it like this. If/when I have kids, they’re not getting a smartphone until they turn 14. Until then, they’ll be using a flip phone to contact me. THAT’S how you create a safe online environment for kids, not by banning VPNs which takes away privacy rights from everyone else. They just want to control us and take our right to privacy away but they don’t realize that a strict government creates the best liars. If they ban VPNs, people WILL find a way to consume whatever content they desire regardless of what the government says. This can only end badly and make life hell for everyone below a certain tax bracket. Although, I guess that was their goal at the very beginning so I’m just being redundant.
Kids with access to porn will put it on flash drives and sell it to other kids. Are they gonna ban flash drives next?
No the next thing will be to ban porn completely. Look at Project 2025. It’s in the list. Granted this is a US based initiative but other countries seem to be speed running the checklist.
The document’s foreword asserts that pornography is not protected by the First Amendment and “should be outlawed,” calling for criminal prosecution of producers and distributors and shuttering tech/telecom companies that facilitate its spread
lol like that is even possible.
Humans have been making porn since we could symbolize things.
Hence boobies on cave walls….
Or those “ritual fertility goddess” statues they found everywhere
When you have a shit-ton of money and a system rigged in your favor, anything’s possible. Hell, for example, if they found a way to ban sexual acts and procreation (what we’ve been doing since the beginning of our species) whatsoever and restrict it to selected individuals that THEY choose, they’d change the laws to suit them, begin the brainwashing of their supporters under the guise of “the greater good,” and then they’d do it and everyone that voted for it would act surprised like any of what happened wasn’t foretold years prior.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did tbh. The ones at the top get what they want and if they see flash drives as a threat, they’ll try to ban 'em.
vpns being more regulated than guns aren’t politicians awesome
I’m so fucking sick of losing my rights to protect other people’s kids. I don’t have any fucking kids. Why don’t they apply their idiotic rules to those that do and leave the rest of us be.
I’m a parent and I’m sick of it too. It’s so incredibly easy to monitor your kid today as modern parental control system literally do most of the work for you. Also you can just talk and be honest with your kids - 12-16 year olds are pretty smart contrary to what some want you to think.
Literally no one likes this except the bottom of the barrel brain washed idiots. I’m not a conspiracist but I meet other parents and while I’m not based in the UK, porn access was never an issue for any parent so this just reeks of propaganda.
Seriously, they build parental controls into pretty much all modern devices and there’s plenty of 3rd party software for added functionality and customization. The tools are there for parents. All they have to do is enable and configure them.
I think people who support this shit and other other laws that strip our rights away are virtue signaling, neglectful/lazy, or like you said completely brainwashed. I think that those in power want to slowly work towards banning porn completely and not just in the UK. I’ve said it elsewhere, but politicians and rich assholes like Elon Musk are worried about birthrates falling and this is just one of many tactics to try to get people to have more kids.
The 3rd party apps cost max 100$ a year and does almost everything for you (with plenty of good free 1st party options like Google Family Link). All you have to do is review the alerts and configure screen time and you still let your kids retain good amount of privacy. It’s insane how easy it is these days so there are no excuses for any parent, period.
Who is voting for these people?
I have a feeling that this is another example of the ruling class doing whatever it wants regardless of what the working class wants.
Our representatives do not represent us.
Because it’s all an excuse to eliminate all privacy. The empire doesn’t survive if the workers are allowed to communicate freely.
I know. If they really cared about protecting kids they could force ISPs to sell a whitelisted or blacklisted “Family” service. They could even go further into insanity and force parents to only use that service until their kids turn 18. They could even force parents to install tracking software to make sure kids only connect to safe networks and use school registration records to keep track of homes with children.
Of course that’s all rediculous, but obviously they don’t want to protect kids. They want to take away our rights and privacy and with the way politicians all over the world have been harping about falling birthrates, making it harder to access porn might cause fewer people to use it in the hope that more people have kids.
Bullshit, ISPs are not responsible for kids either. That’s the parents’ job, not any company’ or government’.
I agree completely. I was giving a rediculously extreme example of a way they could actually try to protect kids from porn if that really was their goal.
Also, give up your rights for the kids, but don’t ask for any justice towards the royal pedophile prince, that’s bad.
Also, no more free school lunches, think of the children.
It is not about the children, nor their parents. Redirect your anger towards the perpetrators, not towards the scapegoats…
I have no anger towards children or parents in general. I just think it’s the parent’s responsibility to monitor their kids not the government’s. Thus, the only people who should be affected by rediculous rules and laws that “protect children” are people who have children. Plus, there are plenty and religious and right wing parents who support shit like this.
I have 2 kids, and I can’t agree more. My kids have PCs with Linux, I control and monitor everything they do in them, and teach them to use technology responsibly. That’s my job, not any government’s.
I keep saying this. People have kids, but then don’t want the responsibility that carries with it.
Very true, more parents should be like you. Unfortunately, I’ve known many parents who are completely fucking neglectful and when their kid fucks up or gets caught doing something they’re not supposed to they look for anyone or anything besides themselves to blame.
I’ve only known one person who I could honestly say was a good parent. She sacrificed everything to give her 2 sons a great life. She did everything and only put a reasonable amount of responsibility on her kids to help out. She didn’t date or go out, she sacrificed her own needs and basically was always working and active in her kids life. One of her son’s was autistic and needed a lot of extra attention and care and the other turned out to be the most responsible and well adjusted dude I’ve ever known. I wish more parents were like her.
Dude, that was my mom, and with 4 kids. I believe that my brother and I, even more so than my 2 sisters, are the type of parents we are because of how my mom raised us. And I got beat regularly on suspicion alone (but I was always suspicious, so there’s that) by her, and today, I could not be more grateful of the mom God gave us. My kids have never been even spanked, no so much as a slap on the wrist, and they go insane when I tell them about how we were raised.
My mom knew every single one of our friends and their parents, and they kept regular communication over the phone. It really took a village to raise a kid 🤣
Linux
I control and monitor everything they do in them
Some software recommendations? I mean, I don’t have kids, but I like Linux and it doesn’t hurt to know where to perhaps point someone.
So far I only seen Veyon in action, but only for monitoring and remote control of multiple PCs, which probably doesn’t fit home environment.
Because we’re fine with kids not having rights, but when anyone else gets mildly screwed by regulation like this we get angry. Great. How about we did something about it before it started affecting us?
Keep watching this bit, so you dont focus on the other bit… which will be to attack end to end encryption in message apps. ie you must put a back door in, so we can see who is saying what, whenever we want.
This labour government, makes me want tories back. Thats how fucking bad they are.
you know, a federal europe with a shared, rotated heads of governments (always at least 3 countries) would help a lot, geopolitically too come back you fools, we miss you. Put Starmer and Farage together into a padded cell and let them fight it out
ministers told
By a bunch of religious assholes that want more power
By a bunch of corporate assholes that want more money
By a bunch of politician assholes that want more power
Did I forget anyone? Nobody wants this, none of this has to do with child safety, it’s all transparent lies to get more for them and less for us. Let’s break the entire internet so that a very small group has more
Fuck all of you assholes, o hope you all die soon, the world would be souch better and nicer.
Either introduce legislation that enforces standardized parental controls for parents to monitor or shut the fuck up.
How about tell the parents to pay attention to what their fucking kids are doing online instead of dragging the rest of us into it?
How about nobody else’a fucking children are anybody else’s fucking problem.
Fuck your stupid fucking kids.
Not literally of course. I’m not a republican.
You are cursing at the scapegoats. Don’t fall into this trap.
They’re not scapegoats. It’s the parents responsibility to keep an eye on their kids. The scapegoats are the rest of us having to give up our privacy.
Maybe you should google what “scapegoat” means.
Scapegoat is the person being falsely blamed for a problem. Children looking at shit they shouldn’t be online is the parents fault for not supervising them or utilizing any of the numerous parental control options available to them.
In this case the rest us are being blamed for that problem by being forced to deal with a bunch of privacy invading bullshit to fix it.
I don’t think helicopter parenting is the solution.
Well they should just leave it be, but If they have to do something better that than invading everyone else’s privacy and ruining the internet.
When you teach your child to look both ways before they cross the street, is that helicopter parenting? Or how about when you teach them not to talk to strangers even if the stranger is wearing a uniform? Do you allow children into your liquor cabinet to pour themselves a tall shot of whiskey? Etc et al. I don’t consider it helicopter parenting to put age appropriate restrictions on what your child can engage with on your network. I call that sound, responsible, parenting.
It’s not about what you teach them. You can teach them whatever you want, it doesn’t mean they’re going to do it. The only way to stop them from doing it is to hover over them (hence the term helicopter).
Teaching a child isn’t about creating robots. I said it earlier in this thread, but you have 18 years of bootcamp to equip your child with all the tools necessary to make, wise, prudent decisions in life. You’re not going to be there, hopping out of bushes, wagging your finger at them forever. However, while they are in your charge, they are your resopnsibility to keep safe and secure. You are the network admin.
I don’t understand what any of that has to do with this conversation.
I think they didn’t get what the fake argument of these politicians were and just jumped to hating children+parents.
I don’t believe monitoring your child’s online habits is “helicopter parenting.” It’s just being a responsible parent.
What about the basics of a responsible parent?
…what about them?
You think basic parental duties is helicopter parenting?
Listen, can you just explain yourself instead of going back and forth and asking senseless questions?
I’m getting to the point where I’d rather see csam legalized than this shit. (Keep reading)
Think about it: csam will happen, period. I’m not world’s best computer engineer but even Incan build something that embeds data like text or images in other files in ways that cannot be detected. I can build basic but effective encryption that will be hard enough to crack. I can find ways to exchange files outside the internet, hell, do sneakernet
And kids watching porn online? They’ll have their buddies who have libraries that will be copied. A single USB drive can contain days of porn videos and you can’t stop that either
Then there are these laws that “are to protect children” which makes me just outright want to vomit. You take victims of child pornography and use them for your political gain, for your power. You are almost worse than pedophiles. At least pedophiles harm only one child, you harm all of them you sack of fucking shit.
And no, of course I don’t want child pornography legalized, of course not by what is the solution?
These assholes have been at it for decades now and they play the long game. They can lose every year and come back next year. They only have to win once and they move on to he next good thing they can destroy.
So what can we actually really seriously do to stop this?
We had hardcore magazines that circulated back in the days before easy internet. Guess the last time children didn’t have access was probably in the 18th century or so.
Guess the next step is controlling all chat groups, emails and cloud spaces to “avoid children exploiting these”…
I think we just have to accept that no solution is 100%. You just need some balance between success and side effects.
As long as people can communicate, it will to some extent spread. So really, the only truly 100% solution would be a couple of nuclear bombs all around the world. Look at that, crime rates went to 0!
I am not really intelligent or knowledgeable enough to provide best-balance solutions.
Anyway, as far as limiting access to porn, perhaps it could be done privately. You could have some trusted verification platform, perhaps even government provided, deal with it with cryptographic signature, maybe as I said, I am too dumb for solutions.
My idea is, the website that wants to verify your age knows the public key of the government provided service used for this purpose (who already has your data anyway), and generates some random data in base64. You copy that, paste it into the verification website, they sign it, and give you the base64-encoded response. You then paste the response into website that wants to verify your age, it verifies the signature and then that you’re 18+.Basically just trusted authority saying “verified being 18+”. The website doesn’t know who you are, verification system doesn’t know what you wanted that verification for.
Of course, you could verify that for anyone else, but I can also walk into a shop, buy cigarettes, alcohol and give them to a kid. Not 100%, but good enough.
Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.
Now 25 and happily married.
Wow. Porn really destroyed this mans life. What a tragic tale.
Addiction to porn is not a real thing. No reputable source classifies compulsive viewing of porn as an addiction as far as I know. These people just find it to be a convenient excuse for their compulsions.
If jacking off constantly at age 14 doomed a person we would never have left the Miocene epoch.
We would have gone extinct before we discovered fire.
Tho not so prevelant in this current timeline with internet access, there is a global phenomenon that most little boys can attest to. When we were growing up, there was forest porn. No one knew how it got there. No one claimed it. But in every town, county, village, city, et al, there were some woods with forest porn.
I do not condone children viewing porn because they are not mentally or emotionally ready for that. However, I do know it exists and gosh, it seems to me that some proper parenting skills would solve a lot of problems.
Forest porn was absolute roided out boomer oriented garbage. Worst slop you’ve seen a billion times.
On the other hand, the early videos with the old Lady teaching 13yr old me how to eat someone out and anatomy were better sex ed than school and “the talk”(didn’t happen lol) combined.
He told Newsnight the addiction caused him to isolate himself from friends and family because he was “afraid of anyone discovering that I was hooked.”
Mr Lane described finding “the only place I could get, I guess, love and intimacy was from pornography” at the same time as feeling “heaps of guilt and shame”
The problem seems to have more to do with lack of proper sex education and social pressure rather than pornography. Why did he have to feel so ashamed that he isolated himself? That’s a real issue here!
It’s not like it can’t happen, i also found porn very early on. I got addicted and it ruined my early sex life. Real women weren’t “exciting” anymore and I’d lost my sensitivity as well.
This is NOT the solution but it’s also not not an issue
Thank you for speaking up. I’m going to share a bit of my experience (unrelated to you, OP.)
I suspect (from my experience dating men) that the desensitivity issue is more common than most people will admit. Few men want to admit that their dick doesn’t work properly, and a subset of those men will attempt to frame this problem as a benefit instead (“I can keep going for so long without cumming, it’s my super power!”) I don’t expect most men will talk with each other like this, but it’s one of the justifications such men tell their partners.
From the partner’s perspective, I hate to have to say this, but… no, it’s not a power. It’s a weakness. A desensitized dick turns sex into a frustrating act that only ends when I get physically sore. If he doesn’t have that “natural stopping point” that usually signals an end to penetration, and the act still feels good to him - he doesn’t want to stop, so why would he? But it’s a very different experience from the “receiving” partner’s perspective. Most people who “receive” in sex don’t want to keep going until they end up in pain. We don’t want to always be the buzz-kill whose role is to decide, “Okay, sex time is over!” I want to have fun, too; not be the playground monitor that has to announce when recess is finished. Going on and on is a porn fantasy, and just like many porn fantasies, it’s not that fun in real life.
The issue of porn-induced desensitivity is absolutely real. However, taking away people’s privacy online is not the solution. These laws are absolutely absurd and a terrifying glimpse of the future the fascists in power are aiming toward. (And for anyone overly-concerned about my sex life that feels the need to chime in with advice - I learned from the lessons of my past, and I share those lessons in hopes that others can learn from it too.)
Why not just gouge out their eyeballs, it’s the only way to make sure!
Oh, what’s that, it’s not actually about the porn, it’s about getting everyone to self-submit personal info to your shitty databases? Ooh, ok, gotcha!
Edit: sorry about the non-sequitur, I’m losing my fucking mind…
It’s so weird. Just don’t give your kids unrestricted internet access if you’re concerned about any of this…
Just give them a flip-phone and a living-room computer.
Or, y’know… they could do some actual parenting and talk to their kids about this. Kids aren’t morons, they’re just inexperienced. They are actually capable of understanding, like, words and stuff as long as one offers enough context for them… Actually teach the kids to use the internet, help them develop some insights.
And if anyone’s panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain), then address those directly! Friggin’ nurture their critical thinking and empathy! Locking them up in the fucking basement isn’t gonna Protect Them From Evil™, it just ensures they’ll be maladapted and sociopathic once they manage to escape from fucking prison! (no pun intended)
Edit: I will say this forever and ever - it is the parents’ duty to adapt to the world in which their kids have to live, not to force their kids to adapt to a world their parents wish would apply!
And if anyone’s panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain)
You’re 100% correct, but I would also like to point out how weird it is that porn seems to be the ONLY industry where these religious nutjobs pretend to care about workers.
In the US, the same people who say they care about the porn industry preying upon women are the same ones rolling back child labor legislations to send 14 year olds to meat packing plants. The same ones who have kept the minimum wage where it is for decades. The same ones who want to ban abortion even in cases where the woman’s life is threatened. I know this is a BBC article about the UK, but I can’t help but see some parallels with the right-wing religious conservatives everywhere in the world.
They don’t care about women. They don’t care about children. They don’t care about workers. They care about having lots of cheap labor. They care about parents being too tired, too overworked, too risk-averse for the sake of their children to dare to fight back. They want a world where peasant girls get married at 14 and start cranking out more babies immediately. Any substitute which threatens that (birth control, abortion, homosexuality, pornography, sex education) is under attack.
In the US children get shot and killed at school on a monthly basis and all the government can think to do is age-gate porn and ban books
seems to be the ONLY industry where these religious nutjobs pretend to care about workers.
Nah, they dug in with it in the healthcare field, when “fighting for nurses” who were idiots and thought vaccines killed people.
Yep, it’s always about profit and control with these assholes, never about what’s right or wrong. And even the religious pretext is just utter bullshit from where they’re standing, using it to make the pill easier to swallow for the brainwashed masses, nothing more…
These people don’t give a fuck about any sort of god or code, they just want more money and more power. That’s all there is to it.
In the US, the same people who say they care about the porn industry preying upon women are the same ones rolling back child labor legislations to send 14 year olds to meat packing plants. The same ones who have kept the minimum wage where it is for decades. The same ones who want to ban abortion even in cases where the woman’s life is threatened. I
…and guess what. Those same people are the ones didling the children. I can fill your inbox weekly with examples of clergy, police, republicans, christo facist et al. Now, don’t even think for a second that I give the democrats a pass either. However, the list of democrats is much shorter, but fuck them both. Me thinks they doth protest too loudly.
I’m neiher republican nor democrat. Just a lowely American. I don’t need a political echo chamber to have a political compass.
At the very least, most of the Democrats are guilty of taking money from those ghouls.
To bring it back to Palantir, Biden himself was singing their praises back when he was vice president and the US government was using their surveillance tools.
As much as it is good to see MAGA turn on Trunk over the Epstein files, it’s not lost on me that Garland, under Biden, sat on the files doing nothing for 4 years. And maybe that would make sense if they were actively investigating and trying to prosecute people, but as far as I can tell Maxwell is the only one who faced any consequences.
I don’t want to distract the narrative away from Trump’s guilt. And also, when you stack up presidential accomplishments I’d still rank Biden near the top, probably top-5 in US history. But that says more about the other presidents than Biden.
Our government in the US is corrupt and compromised top to bottom and side to side, and has been for quite a long time now. No one gets a pass.
They want a world where peasant girls get married at 14 and start cranking out more babies immediately.
It’s what Jesus would have wanted
No, simply don’t us the computer as nanny, educate your childs to the correct and safe use of the network. You can add, if you want, SwissCows as search engine, which is Familysafe by design, apart of private. Also possible to block NSFW sites on DNS level. But this isn’t the question here, it’s about some assholes in the Goverment which want absolute control over the information the people see in the web, apart to monitor their activity, even reading your mail (what Google already does).
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You spelled ‘squirting’ wrong, I think 🫡
Good point, I do feel my brain liquefying and gushing out through my friggin’ ears when seeing what we’re doing to ourselves…
