The answer to the German question is that they spend a great deal of money on having an excellent education system,
I think it was more that they had their country completely flattened due to them being fascists, and didn’t want it to happen again.
I don’t see how mandatory jail time helps with “They need to reeducate the people”
Jail doesn’t work for Nazis. The world learned only one things solves the “fascism problem”.
Hey now! Australia is probably sick of everyone just sending criminals there!
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They should have probably boycotted him at the polls, instead of voting for him.
Well, if they don’t turn around, they become far less effectual when dirt poor, thanks to the system they created. And the poorer they are, the faster they die off.
If you won’t pay for their education my attitude is don’t complain about their politics and try your best not to complain about their intelligence.
We already do pay for their education. What do you think the Department of Ed does? Title IX funding? It comes from blue states.
I try to have compassion
I’ll have compassion for them, once they stop being class traitors.
I’ll oppose my own government then. With force, if required.
France has maintained those since the founding of NATO because they side eye us in all things
Historically, the US shat on France every time we got the chance. Started about 2 years after they financed our revolution.
Bombs do not protect from bombs
So, why are we letting Russia run roughshod over Europe?
guns do not protect from guns
Dead nazis agree.
An M1 Abrams tank can drive that distance in an afternoon.
Just one thing…
No, it can’t. Took us 16 days to drive a squadron of them from Kuwait to Baghdad. Most of the time they spent on flatbed tractor trucks, because of the a) fuel consumption per mile (Like 15 gallons per mile or so) and b) maintenance. Those things throw tracks bad on asphalt. But, they slow down a lot on dirt.
Are you trying to defend a strawman argument? Are you that daft?
No, I’m building on “credibility of sources”. And the credibility for the sources of a single person, named Yeshua (Or Jesus, or Christ, or whatever) being the single person responsible for setting off the formation of a sect of judaism is… thin, to say the least.
In fact, most documents lack any credibility at all.
Let me ask you: Is it more likely the above scenario as laid out is accurate, or would it be more likely a group of reformists, started creating tall tales about things that happened, and speeches given, and every telling adding more fiction to each recounting, and possible a core group coming up with the “core story” of a man? Like how a group of people developed the persona of “Anonymous” back in 2007-ish? Or, do you believe there is a single person named “Anonymous” who did all the hacking and griefing too?
Basically, the latter is what I consider to be far more likely. Just like Hercules and John Mastodon. I do not believe either of those individuals spoken of all the time actually existed, and are rather an amalgamation of ideas, into one person. He is a meme. That’s all.
The basis fir the consensus was explained.
Yes, I get it. The basis for consensus was “It’s the dominant religion, so it must be fact”.
By the same basis, Hercules existed.
So you have nothing to substantiate your counter claim
It’s not my job to prove someone’s conclusions. The onus for the evidence of existence lays with the person making the claim. And it’s very clearly stated: There is no evidence. The best we got are some documents written by biased sources, half a century after the fact.
And you’re ignoring all the nuance explained there about why historians accept the existence of someone for what reason?
There’s little to no nuance needed here: Is there evidence? No. Should there be? Yes.
You keep trying build strawmen as Im not claiming Jesus was divine. Why?
Because that’s how credibility works. If you start your research at bad sources, you get to bad conclusions.
Does Xenu exist? I mean, Scientology at one point pre-internet, was one of the fastest growing religions, and they all talk about Xenu. Obviously, Xenu MUST exist, right?
I have offered a source with multiple linked sources that explains why this consensus exists.
It doesn’t exist, though. And, if it did, it’s consensus without basis.
In reality, any consensus that may exists, does so purely due to environment. Why are we trying to even prove the existence of such a person? Because it’s the dominant religious belief in this country. I’m sure just as much consensus around the existence of Mythras the man exists, too.
What’s the proof fir this amalgamation idea you are claiming and how of you explain thousands of people all across that part of the world having the same beliefs and names for Jesus within 3-4 decades of his death and please remember this is 2000 years ago so news travelled slowly.
Because that’s how cults start? Shit, have you seen how quickly Scientology has grown? Does Xenu actually exist?
News in the Roman empire took… well, as long as it took to walk from city to city. And the cultists were adamant about spreading the word. 100 years after the guy lived, of course.
Where do you think this evidence should exist?
Well, to start… Contemporary accounts.
Do you think the Jews and Romans kept birth records for the equivalent of working class people?
Its literally claimed that Yeshua was subject to a census, performed by Romans, who were meticulous in their record keeping. We have no record of a census, period.
Or, even decrees by Pilate ordering his execution.
Or even, just, news of some radical with his name, causing trouble. NOTHING.
What we have are accounts from 40-100 years later, making bold claims. Much like we have similar sets of evidence for the existence of a man named Hercules who was a demigod as well.
Again Im not claiming there was a messiah. Im not claiming miracles were real so put own that straw bale you keep returning to.
You are, however, expecting us to believe something with no evidence.
Ok and how do you think thousands of people all separated by massive distances all arrive on the same name and basic stories if they weren’t based on a single guy?
Same way all mythology forms. Tall tales told, and retold.
Why would you think Rome has records of random people?
This isn’t “random people”… This is a person, who was so hated by his own community,they demanded a Roman governor try, and execute him. And Roman’s kept pretty detailed records about this sort of stuff.
SOMETHING would have survived. Nothing survived, or more likely, never existed.
Do you have any actual historical education beyond secondary school? You don’t seem to
Yes, I actually do, thanks. And none of the mythology should be taken any more serious than any other mythology we study.
So you look at biased non-academic resources and then conclude that the belief is not academic?
“There is no physical or archaeological evidence tied to Jesus, nor do we have any written evidence directly linked to him.”
And, not even where it should be at.
But, I suppose we should all accept Hercules lived, was a demigod, and was a great warrior, because a lot of people wrote about him.
And, while we’re at it, we all know, and should accept as fact, that Mythras lived, because a lot of people wrote about him, and how he died, and rose again to save his people.
All Im claiming is Yeshua existed and he was a rabbi around Galilee.
And yet, you have zero evidence to support that claim. In reality, there were about 100 Yeshua’s (It was a common name), who were rabbis, in that region.
And some of the more fantastic stories were cribbed from already extant mythology.
Its a lot like the “evidence” of “divine inspiration” for the NT is “Well, it matches the OT!!” No shit, the people writing the NT were familiar with the OT, and made attempts to do so.
So, when we get down to brass tacks, this “Yeshua” character was likely an amalgamation of several people. Like John Mastodon.
Loads of people talk about John Mastodon right now. Does that mean John Mastodon existed or exists?
Spoiler: yes, John Mastodon exists, and peace be upon him, and may he grace us with neverending blessings delivered by his Arch Angel - ActivltyPub.
We have things that other people who may or may not have known Aristotle claim Aristotle wrote.
We have many things, written right about the same time, all making the same claims, about what Artistotle wrote.
We do not have congruent, contemporary writings about Jesus/Yeshua.
Why not try reading the link rather than expounding upon a false understanding?
I did. And there is not evidence of his existence, as your link stated. Does that mean Yeshua, the individual, did not exist? No. But, it’s also not on us to prove he did not exist! That’s impossible (Proving a negative).
What we can say: There is no evidence he existed, even in places it should exist. And, exceptional claims (Such as a virgin birth, son of god, major political decisions) require exceptional evidence.
You cannot prove there isn’t a teapot orbiting the sun, either. However, we can safely assume there is not, until such evidence has been found to support said claim.
For example the earliest writings are from around 70CE which is 37-40 years later.
Fine. The closest writings are from 40 years late. One full generation. Did the prior generation not think to write ANYTHING about this guy? Not even a Roman notice somewhere? A proclamation of all male children being executed? NOTHING. Until 40 years after the claimed event.
Hopefully, they lose it to agricorps, and then get pissed about being exploited, and come back on the side of the working class.
Permanently. Like how we permanently separated Nazis from the rest of the world in the 1940s.