For all the Trump administration’s talk of saving money and increasing “government efficiency,” the president demanded that huge amounts be appropriated in the Republicans’ recent budget bill to fund his mass-deportation program.

In all, $170 billion was set aside to be spent over the next four years for border and immigration enforcement. This total includes $45 billion to create a sprawling detention system (nearly five times the annual budget for the Bureau of Prisons), $30 billion for ICE operations, $46.6 billion for more border wall construction, and, as if that weren’t enough, a new $10 billion border patrol slush fund.

This level of funding is unprecedented. ICE is now the highest-funded law enforcement agency in the country. And that fact raises a question: What exactly are they going to do with all that money?

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    This total includes $45 billion to create a sprawling detention system (nearly five times the annual budget for the Bureau of Prisons)

    Now why would they need such a big budget for concentration camps if they’re deporting the illegal immigrants? Seems like a big waste to build all those facilities and have them sit empty after the job is done.

    Or is it more likely they’re going to start rounding up other people too? Trump just announced they’re going to go after homeless and mentally ill people. And we know they consider trans people to be a danger to themselves and gay/bi as deviants. We’ve also seen a rise on attacks against political opponents. Trump even wants to charge Obama with treason.

    This is exactly the Nazi playbook from the 30s. And the American public is letting him do it.

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      For comparison, the Trump Admin just approved a 5000 bed tent camp at Fort Bliss in El Paso, TX. The contract was awarded to Acquisition Logistics for $1.26B.

      That’s $252k per bed. There’s easily enough money there to build single family homes for every one of them, and even that would be wasteful. (And yes, even in high cost of living areas, the sheer scale involved would almost certainly bring costs below that number).

      When we say “the cruelty is the point”, this is why. There’s a lack of other explanations for their actions.

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      They are already constructing a 30,000 bed facility at Guantanamo. The EO was signed, and the $250 million contract awarded, months ago, with absolutely no peep from the media, then or since.

      For context, Guantanamo currently has a capacity for up to about 250 people. The average maximum security prison in America holds around 800-1200 people. The largest prison in America is in Angola, LA, and holds about 8000.

      So this new facility will hold almost 4 times as many as our biggest prison, and about 30 times more than our average prison. Guantanamo is in a remote corner of Cuba, so if they are so hot to deport all the illegals, who do they intend to house there, out of sight of the courts, their lawyers, and the media?

      I suspect it will be AMERICAN political prisoners - media, opposition candidates, protest organizers, loudmouth celebrities, etc.

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        The joke is that it is supposed to be ready in time for Trump’s 3rd term, but they forget to provision the transportation

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      To not be American and watch this all unfold truly shows us what Americans are all about. Around the globe we’ve listened for a long time about how dominant they are in everything but when it comes to standing up for themselves and their fellow man, they sit down.

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      Funny fact about a cage, they’re never built for just one group, so when the cage is done with them and you’re still poor. It come for you.

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      This is exactly the Nazi playbook from the 30s. And the American public is letting him do it.

      Technically this is American playbook. Between USA and Germany one country doesn’t have a history of facilities for returning slaves to their owners.

      But honestly I’d expect these and other people to do whatever they want until stopped.

      They have the technology for a concentration camp of the future, with such a degree of control that it can be relied to guard itself and arm its owners. They are using it. Want to fix something - look for holes.

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      Look on the bright side! All this money is going to be contracted out to companies that these new oligarchs control, and by the time they funnel most of the money to their wallet only a handful of new prisons will actually get built. We will have to hope the grift can get in the way of the the new Holocaust that Stephen Miller is planning,

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        It’s not the bright side, I live in Russia, so many people here thought that it won’t start a big war because with all the corruption it can’t prepare well enough.

        It doesn’t need to prepare well enough, LOL, it did that anyway.

        Just like with your things. However much they’ll steal, I think they’ll do the prisons too. Worse and more expensive, but yeah.

        See, when a prison hasn’t been built, it’s not their problem in a holocaust scenario. It’s the problem of the prisoners who’ll be crammed like sardines into spaces intended for smaller amount. Or kept under open-sky tent camps. Or something else.

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    Time to buy firearms and start training.

    Help everyone you know purchase firearms and help them train.

    Form networks.

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      I’m a former gun salesman, and while I don’t condone pre-emptive violence, I am happy to advise people about the process of purchasing a firearm and selection of a first firearm for hunting, recreation, or self-defense.

      The biggest piece of advice for a beginner on a budget is to get something affordable but reliable over something overly fancy and expensive. Put the savings on the firearm into ammo for training. A $400 Canik plus a few thousand rounds of training ammo is more effective at making you a good shooter than a $1500 pistol and a single box of ammo.

      I have a $7000 custom precision rifle with a $3500 optic on top. With my years of experience, I can shoot about 1% better than with a $700 rifle/scope combo.

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        I’m glad you posted this. You are 100% correct. Cheaper, but still quality firearm and a ton of ammo is the best route.

        For what its worth, if anyone has any questions about firearms or how to get started, feel free to ask. I was in the Marines for 9 years and one of my jobs was as a rifle and pistol coach. I dont know everything, but I know somthings and I am still an avid shooter and gun owner.

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    Bad news, they are gonna end up hiring a bunch of proud boys. Also bad news, they won’t do the job right, and we’ll pay loads of money in lawsuits and end up with far too many funerals

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      Hmmm 🤔

      First, as if proud boys aren’t already IcE members. Not that I have proof, but I would be very surprised if someone proofed that no ICE members sees themselves as a proud boy.

      Second, wasn’t it clear from the beginning, that with ICE, an American version of SS was created?!

      (For those who don’t know German Nazis and Hitler: SS was the private army of Hitler making sure that nobody attacks Hitler’s ideology from inside)

      History always repeats itself, and it is infuriating…

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    And Europe just agreed to finance it!

    Violent global revolution is the only and last hope left for humanity. Arm yourselves.

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      It’s looking pretty catastrophic, the future. The climate catastrophe, the AGI singularity, and techno-feudal fascism are all imminent. Then, less imminent there’s the altered nuclear threat, antibiotic resistance, societal collapse (due to all of the above, plus unprecedented wealth inequality) to name a few.
      Revolution in some form is inevitable, but it’s not guaranteed to be effective in making things better.
      We’re about nine historical turning points deep already, but I think the big ones are yet to come and I hate it.

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    One of these days these guys are going to be in a shootout and its all going to go south guickly.

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      Honestly, the sooner the better. Americans need to be made undeniably aware that this administration and the party that supports it is fine with using lethal force on American citizens. The sooner that wake up call happens, the less entrenched this fascist regime will be when Americans finally decide to act.

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    People should start following bros back to their operating centers then following them home. Create a catalog publicly showing their homes to the public. See how that goes for them SS officers.

    When I worked for DoD. This was CBP and Other three letter groups biggest fears. Having their private lives invaded.

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      When I worked for DoD. This was CBP and Other three letter groups biggest fears. Having their private lives invaded.

      Might be unwise to frighten them before you have something to substantiate that fear with, they have weapons and an organization.

      Cause frightening them without such basis is how you accelerate fascism. They would want to just enjoy their newly gotten power and - for the top - stolen money, but fear compels them to also press against threats to that.

      Like after Bolotnaya protests in Moscow the Russian regime started doing various crap with increased tempo. They might not even have attacked Ukraine without it.

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    …they are paying bounties on extra-judicial arrests…

    bounties.

    for arrest without trial.

    …barring decisive impeachment and conviction in eighteen months, there is no way this doesn’t end in blood and fire…

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      But but the Epstein files bro just wait for you’ll see everyone will confirm for sure again that he’s a rapist and we’ll defeat facism bro don’t forget the Epstein files trust me bro

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    Disaster in the making? It’s already a fucking disaster. ICE agents have been granted additional slack above and beyond that already extended to normal cops, who frequently abuse it. This is going to be a fucking American Kristallnacht for Latinos, with more groups set to follow in the wake of these broad constitutional and legal abuses.

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      This is going to be a fucking American Kristallnacht for Latinos

      And they voted for it.

      Trump or not, this country is in deep shit.

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      Yup, combined with the EO from Friday allowing for involuntary civil commitment, more and more people outside latinos are going to start disappearing. I’m just waiting for them to consider having liberal views a mental disorder.

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      it’s true that our current situation is a disaster. it does not diminish the fact that an even bigger disaster is being constructed while we process and attempt to repair this disaster. the old ice agents are bad, evil, and cruel, but they were also all recruited under a different framing of what ICE is supposed to be. the new ones will have absolutely no compunctions, no reservations, and no hesitations.

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        They were recruited to round up brown people, whom they regard as criminal. That’s true of the new group and was true of ice and cbp agents recruited under previous administrations.

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      Dunno, I’ve seen quite a few Spanish second names on that site people link here in comments.

      I’d say it’s going to be a problem for everyone, but not like Kristallnacht. That was, a reminder, SA public action, rather artistic, in line with the Nazi official policy. A show.

      Though one can say today’s elites love a good show too, I won’t repeat again that thing about impression economy I’ve read about from Cory Doctorow, I think. I think in line with that some Nazi approaches are possible. That’s what they did with Gaza and Alawites in Syria (no way this was without Israel’s and US and EU approval, just no way).

      But - impressions also were a big thing then. Radio just became popular. Olympic games. Automobiles gaining popularity. Airships. Electric lighting. Radiola, pianola, such various automatons using radio and punchcards. Tabulating machines that Nazis used for their population census.

      That wasn’t just goons given right to do whatever (they were in Nazi Germany too, but that was small stuff - once a few dozen times someone failed to say “Sieg Heil” they might have been beaten or even killed by a Nazi, and in general Nazis were openly against any kind of due process, - all that “fanatisch, total und radikal” stuff about just vibing through grotesque cruelty and aggression, they were LARPing a tribe, after all, - so acts of random cruelty were normal).

      So yes, the time is similar in some way. But when thinking that, let’s also remember that in the 30s many people would think Hitler is the future in Britain and in USA, and in east Asia that old impression still holds.

      The steel monsters that broke this one’s back were too not nice, but they did the job and learned some of the lessons.

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    …give it some time, and it’ll be death squad. Just plain killing people, cheaper than sending them away.