If you consider the Inquisitor Cycle, people do not. Jesus took revenge after the Romans tried to kill him, and refused to die for anyone’s sins. Christianity is based on having no mercy whatsoever.
Well, ya see, they’re morons. That’s why I sacrifice to Odin. You want no mercy? Pray to the guy who hung himself on a tree by choice, not the one who got his pacifist ass nailed to one by the authorities.
It is, if you actually believe in it. Unfortunately practically none of them actually do. And discouragingly, most atheists would love for you to believe that the world would be no better off if they actually believed in and followed the teachings of Jesus. It clearly would be. Does that mean Christianity isn’t full of issues? Nope. But it does mean that clearly we’d be better off if people treated each other as they wished to be treated themselves. And yes before the atheists say it, we ALL KNOW this idea is not unique to Christianity. But it’s kind of key to that religion for the small minority of Christians who actually give a shit about it.
And discouragingly, most atheists would love for you to believe that the world would be no better off if they actually believed in and followed the teachings of Jesus.
What a shallow caricature. I’ve never met an atheist who didn’t basically agree with the teachings of Jesus, even if they didn’t believe he existed. But I’ve met many Christians who seemed completely at odds with them.
What a shallow reading of my comment. This thread is full of people raging about Christianity being an evil cult. So I don’t really have to prove that point. Just about any thread on Lemmy where this comes up is the same.
Not long ago someone flipped out on me for making this point, accusing me of defending the church which I hadn’t done in any way. What usually is happening, when people disagree on this, is assumptions are being made about what each party believes. I am sure most atheists would agree with those teachings yes, but online if it comes up you’re either a brainwashed Christian or a hardcore atheist who hates Christianity. At least that’s how people think of each other. The nuance is erased, and it’s a damn shame.
The point of Christianity is that if you can convince people that they shouldn’t expect any rewards until they die, you get a really compliant set of workers and soldiers who will let you impoverish and mistreat them because “the meek will inherit the earth.” You know, after your value has been fully extracted by the owners.
Christianity went from a cult to a state religion REALLY fast because of this concept.
More broadly that’s the utility of all monotheism. It is extremely effective at uniting people but also teaches them to abide by an authoritarian hierarchical framework.
The problem is what parts you choose to read and focus on. Violent abusers are all about that old testament. The only good Samaritan to them is a dead one. They generally shun the new testament because that’s where all the namby pamby you are your brothers keeper stuff comes in.
Yep, even their Jesus is OT. A brutal conquering emperor. That would crush all who opposes him. Not a meek man generally preaching tolerance and sacrifice.
Theologically speaking, it’s the opposite: nobody deserves mercy, but God gives it to them anyways. But you’d have to open a Bible to know that, which none of these ghouls have.
What an incredibly apathetic view. Do you dare not learn all you can with what miniscule time we have here? How much history, story, mythos, and philosophy do you miss out on? Are the Vedas treated with such blantant disregard? The Parthenon? Ted Lasso was right, it’s significantly better to be curious and not judgemental.
I thought the point of Christianity was that everyone deserves mercy?
The Christian god is actually very wrathful and routinely causes death and suffering in the bible
If you consider the Inquisitor Cycle, people do not. Jesus took revenge after the Romans tried to kill him, and refused to die for anyone’s sins. Christianity is based on having no mercy whatsoever.
Christianity is Cobra Kai???
Well, ya see, they’re morons. That’s why I sacrifice to Odin. You want no mercy? Pray to the guy who hung himself on a tree by choice, not the one who got his pacifist ass nailed to one by the authorities.
“What’s the 5th commandment Pete?”
It is, if you actually believe in it. Unfortunately practically none of them actually do. And discouragingly, most atheists would love for you to believe that the world would be no better off if they actually believed in and followed the teachings of Jesus. It clearly would be. Does that mean Christianity isn’t full of issues? Nope. But it does mean that clearly we’d be better off if people treated each other as they wished to be treated themselves. And yes before the atheists say it, we ALL KNOW this idea is not unique to Christianity. But it’s kind of key to that religion for the small minority of Christians who actually give a shit about it.
This is a Gnostic point of view, and Gnosticism is opposed by Christianity. The Christian view is to treat others how God wants you to treat them.
What a shallow caricature. I’ve never met an atheist who didn’t basically agree with the teachings of Jesus, even if they didn’t believe he existed. But I’ve met many Christians who seemed completely at odds with them.
What a shallow reading of my comment. This thread is full of people raging about Christianity being an evil cult. So I don’t really have to prove that point. Just about any thread on Lemmy where this comes up is the same.
Not long ago someone flipped out on me for making this point, accusing me of defending the church which I hadn’t done in any way. What usually is happening, when people disagree on this, is assumptions are being made about what each party believes. I am sure most atheists would agree with those teachings yes, but online if it comes up you’re either a brainwashed Christian or a hardcore atheist who hates Christianity. At least that’s how people think of each other. The nuance is erased, and it’s a damn shame.
You can’t get them with logic
The point of Christianity is that if you can convince people that they shouldn’t expect any rewards until they die, you get a really compliant set of workers and soldiers who will let you impoverish and mistreat them because “the meek will inherit the earth.” You know, after your value has been fully extracted by the owners.
Christianity went from a cult to a state religion REALLY fast because of this concept.
More broadly that’s the utility of all monotheism. It is extremely effective at uniting people but also teaches them to abide by an authoritarian hierarchical framework.
Only for those who have actually read the book…
The problem is what parts you choose to read and focus on. Violent abusers are all about that old testament. The only good Samaritan to them is a dead one. They generally shun the new testament because that’s where all the namby pamby you are your brothers keeper stuff comes in.
I think a lot of them would love to be one of the Romans “helping out”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPQH0woWShA
Oh, the book is horrendous. Cannot recommend.
But the overarching story of this Jesus character they obsess over, I think that guy had something to say about mercy.
Yep, even their Jesus is OT. A brutal conquering emperor. That would crush all who opposes him. Not a meek man generally preaching tolerance and sacrifice.
Theologically speaking, it’s the opposite: nobody deserves mercy, but God gives it to them anyways. But you’d have to open a Bible to know that, which none of these ghouls have.
I thought that was no one deserves God’s mercy. Not that the mewling masses don’t deserve mercy from each other.
Are we really quibbling over the logic in a make-believe book about sky daddy?
What an incredibly apathetic view. Do you dare not learn all you can with what miniscule time we have here? How much history, story, mythos, and philosophy do you miss out on? Are the Vedas treated with such blantant disregard? The Parthenon? Ted Lasso was right, it’s significantly better to be curious and not judgemental.
Not Nazi Christianity.
It is.