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There’s no way this could go wrong, right Drunk Pete?
Wise, Pete, very wise. Im sure nothing will go wrong with that.
Remind me —didn’t a soldier shoot up his own base a while back? Did he use a service weapon for that?
My friend’s got a shirt with his face on it. “In loving memory, Christopher Dorner. BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE”
[Edit] I’ve been corrected, Dorner was a different guy so this comment is mostly irrelevant
No, Chris Dorner was the LA city cop that went on a spree. Then his racist co-workers tried to burn him alive in a cabin near Big Bear Lake.
Oohhh yeah you’re right, my bad. He’s wearing a military shirt in the picture and I mixed them up
Don’t know who made the original so I don’t want to link to a random store but this is the same shirt:
Ha, I still love it.
To be clear. This isn’t “let everyone” kind of thing. He’s not that stupid. He knows some troops would literally just go kill their commanders.
This is about arming and approving those loyal to the cause of white supremacy and his Christian end times insanity. Those are who will be holding freely at all times.
We WILL see additional violence from this. But it will be labeled as patriotic defense against a rogue troop.
Don’t expect the people that should be shot to get shot. They’re arming their loyal grunts.
He knows some troops would literally just go and kill their commanders.
I’m not sure this works how you think it works. Military members aren’t prohibited from owning guns, they just have to store them and check them out to go shoot. There’s been plenty of shootings on military bases with personal firearms because unless you fully search every car coming in, you won’t stop someone from bringing one in.
If idiots are carrying around off duty it’s more likely to cause a drunken bar shooting than a fragging incident.
Also also the memo literally says it’ll let everyone “request” to carry, implying some level of commander is the one to approve it.
But if the commanders are sycophants, then only certain requests to carry are approved.
It could easily engender a situation where the commander plays favorites to create power imbalances and danger for whoever happens to be in the out group. We’ve also recently learned that Hegseth has meddled a lot with military promotions, targeting specific groups for career suppression.
You’re really making the mistake that “how things worked” in the past are how things will work moving forward.
First, do you think allowing everyone to have a gun at all times and no longer searching wouldn’t increase the likelihood of someone being able to go postal? But, that wasn’t even the point of my comment. Because I stated clearly that’s NOT what this order is doing. A lot of people keep misinterpreting it as such. So it’s why I addressed that. It was literally an example of what the order was NOT going to result in.
Did you not read my comment or something? Or reply to the wrong one? My comment literally pointed out that this is still approval based. That was the entire point of my comment.
And then I made the prediction that this is to build SS style grunts loyal to the cause and ensure they are the ones armed at all times.
I never said anything about stopping personal ownership either. I’m not sure where you hallucinated that part from…
It’s like you’re responding to someone else but quoting me…
Searches and current gun control will likely increase and go hand in hand with this order to further ensure the SS grunts are the ones running the bases and even dealing with higher ranked leaders if they are seen as not loyal.
And I swear to God if you reply with “that’s not how that works”. You’re not paying attention to how ICE operates and how our current fascist state does not give a fuck about “how stuff works”.
In a video posted to X, Hegseth said he is signing a memo that will direct base commanders to allow requests for troops to carry privately owned firearms “with the presumption that it is necessary for personal protection.”
He said any denial of a service member’s request must be explained in detail and in writing.
My interpretation is that they will be allowed to open carry personal weapons anywhere on base. Any denial of any member’s request will likely be appealable and a higher authority at the DoD will ensure that the “right people” get to open carry.
I could not find the actual memo.
I can only hope that every base commander sees this threat for what it is and is making appropriate preparations.
These midterms are going to be wild.
Sure a couple will and they’ll leave…sticking us with a full on “yes men” style military just in time for them to carry out Trump’s coup V2
You act like it’s difficult to get a gun on base. I used to store mine in my barracks room. As a civilian working on base I’ve brought multiple guns on base and ammo in my truck if I was leaving for a camping trip after work. I’ve carried concealed at work.
It’s not that hard.
Finland allows reservists to bring their own gun if war breaks out and they’re called to service.
Doesn’t he live on one? Not really the smartest idea.
The memo says they are allowed to request permission not that all are allowed.
I’ll give you one guess as to how one gets approval. It won’t be by proving one’s loyalty to their Country.
So do Rubio, Noem, Bondi, and Stephen Miller. Tulsi Gabbard and the White House budget director are looking into moving as well.
In any sane administration, people would rightfully be losing it over this. It’s not normal.
No no, let’s see where this goes
I, for one, think this is an excellent idea.
They’re also staking out marine and army graduations with ICE get their families
Explicitely? Why the fuck would he do that. Rhetorical q of course. It simply makes no sense, except signaling to voters.
Hegseth said he is signing a memo that will direct base commanders to allow requests for troops to carry privately owned firearms “with the presumption that it is necessary for personal protection.”
He said any denial of a service member’s request must be explained in detail and in writing.
Cheesus. Administrators on all US army bases are groaning and facepalming.
You have to get through armed guards to get onto a base. Why would soldiers need to be armed for personal protection?
To protect themselves from the other armed off-duty soldiers, of course
Any resulting violence will justify the need for more guns!
I hear we aren’t take taking sexual assault accusations seriously any more, but I doubt the reasoning is to allow women to defend themselves when they try to rape them. That would be very off-brand for this administration.
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You can already do this on installations, but you have to talk to the provost marshalls office and get approval through your chain of command. Unless theyre wringing for another Major Hassan…
Ah yes, that’s who I was thinking of
That’s exactly what came to mind. I remember when that happened vividly. I had just got to my first duty station and remember frantically calling my AIT buddies sent to Hood. No doubt this will happen again.
We must have joined the same time… my first duty station was Hood, first day at the Cav I got sent to the SRP for deployment, just so happened to be the day
