I find it funny that Iran War Threads always devolve into people comparing the US and Iran and choosing sides, like wtf?
Should the US Government, which kills its own citizens, stay in power?
Should the Iranian Government, which kills its own citizens, stay in power?
If your answer is yes to any of those, fuck you.
If your answer is no to both of these, why are you even comparing them in order to choose sides?
(And of course the US is the main aggressor in this conflict and should be stopped, I am specifically talking about the people comparing the atrocities of both countries and saying one is better than the other.)
I’m just sorry for all the civilians caught in the crossfire.
Edit: Spelling
Keep editing… You wanted “its” twice, “it’s” means “it is”. Also, “your”, not “you’re”, which means “you are”.
Gov from iran and american are just plain bad. When is see foxnews if feel the story is cherypicked …
That’s just the multipolar world kicking in
So on one side we have a reactionary Islamic regime who opresses innocent people and women and on the other side we have imperialists who bombed innocent poeple of Iran. Can both sides lose please?
Can both sides lose please?
But in a way that only hurts the power-hungry bastards, not the civilians
Sadly, the public is always stuck between their bastard and the defeat they richly deserve.
The chuckle fucks in the White House don’t even pretend to give a shit about people anymore.
President Trump’s Director of the National Economic Council of the United States Kevin Hassett is being criticized for saying if the war against Iran were to be extended that “it wouldn’t really disrupt the US economy very much at all.”
Hassett added that a longer war “would hurt consumers, and we’d have to think about, you know, if that continued, what we’d have to do about that, but that’s really the last of our concerns right now because we’re very confident that this thing is going ahead of schedule.”
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They have videos of you on jeffrey island don’t they ?
But American government isn’t resposible for acts of domestic and international crime it’s citizens commit.
This is prime case of false equivalence.
If your president is a criminal, that doesn’t make your country responsible for their crimes, especially if they were unknown at the time of the election.
I think my view is that I don’t like how oppressive Iran’s regime is, but there are many world governments I don’t like (including that of the US). I also think the US and Israel probably shouldn’t be murdering Iranian civilians with bombs just because Trump and Bibi don’t like Iran’s government.
I fully agree. Just because 2 sides are fighting doesnt mean there is a good guy in said fight
They actually killed 6 gorillion just like Marx killed 200 million
“Miller, how soon can we do that here?” – Trump, probably
Who knows if this is even true and that’s a huge caveat but assuming it is, horrible time to be doing a protest. Everybody needs to pull together to defeat the Great Satan. The domestic problems can wait.
jfc what an awful take
I know. It’s difficult for Americans to hear they’re losing their grip, nay, stranglehold on the world economy. They elected a pedo fraudster because he seemed like a cool guy. They don’t have education or a free press so these stories seem plausible to them and pluck at their heartstrings. Don’t believe their lies.
Nah I’m just not trying to victim blame protestors
Please dont tell me you mean the US with the great Satan?
The point I am standing by is: The US is bad, especially und the current administration it is on the brink of authocraty - but dare I say the Mullah regime was, is and will be worse.
The other week I saw Iranians in exile celebrating trump and even fucking Netanyahu on a demonstration. Now I don’t think they are idiots for swinging Israeli and USA flags along with the flag of their former kings heir. I think they bet on the tiniest potential for change and hope that it will come true - no matter who aids them in the fight against their torturer, their mourderer.
I sincerely hope the people of iran will be free one day, I think they will have to fight for this freedom themselves as the US won’t succeed in that if it is even their aim.
The theocratic regime in Iran is hardly beyond reproach but the Americans and Israelis have committed war crimes with this attack. Netanyahu was already on the run from the ICC and Trump is attempting to distract the electorate from his other crimes by committing more crimes. Iran played these chumps like a tune, they have them by the balls strategically. As bad as the Iranian regime is on human rights, they hold the moral high ground on this issue and nobody is coming to the hapless allies rescue. The last thing Iran needs is some CIA-backed dissident breaking their unity of purpose. Do you believe this guy is acting on his own initiative? It’s got their fingerprints all over it. The US has systematically undermined, subverted, bombed, assassinated and wrought destruction in Libya, Iraq, Syria and many others. Whoever they can’t bribe becomes a target for eventual destruction. They corrupt everything they touch in a relentless power grab by their billionaire class of mendacious war mongers. Great Satan is the perfect moniker for these scumbags.
Executed for murdering a security officer. Good riddance.
40k? You mean 400k
So you are pro death penalty?
You’re pro-death penalty?
You are pro murder?
You’re trying to argue in bad faith. I’m not even going to address your silly attempt at a “gotcha”.
You would rather let amateurs do it?
Accused of murdering a security officer. No trial, and such accusations are often used by tyrannical regimes to justify political killings.
“Good riddance?” Hardly. I hope you’re not a supporter of the Iranian government. Because that makes you an enemy of its people.
He had a trial and was found guilty. There is plenty of footage of rioters killing security officers. More than 200 were killed. It is sheer delusion to claim these are all sham trials.
The article doesn’t say he had a trial. Where are you getting this information?
Isn’t ICE doing essentially the same thing here in the USA? Maybe Iran should bomb and liberate us?
No it’s not the same.
Few ICE agents went rogue and they will probably be punished for what they did. Only if they aren’t we can start to compare those 2 actions.
In case of Iranian massacres, it’s systematic thing. The murders came from the top, not the bottom as it was for those few ICE incidents.
In fact ICE kill/agent ratio is around the same as for other parts of the US’es law enforcement.
No, it is not.
Sorry, fuck ice and all, but don’t make shit up. There have been extremely preventative deadly incidents, but I’ve never seen an ice agent walk out of a building with a prisoner, and shoot them in the head right there.
No need to make shit up
ICE apologia on lemmy? Is this website compromised?
Uh…
Renée Nicole Macklin Good?
In the head?
In the streets?
Not a prisoner. A citizen.
No need to make shit up
but I’ve never seen an ice agent walk out of a building with a prisoner, and shoot them in the head right there.
Alex peretti ? It literally happened two months ago when he was executed in the streets.
Unless you want to be technical and say “uh well ackshawly he wasn’t a prisoner and didn’t come out of a building”.
Was he executed or murdered?
Is one supposed to be better than the other?
Seriously?
You are wrong. They execute them without cause, warrant, or trial. On the street.
People are dying in concentration camps without access to healthcare, let alone those ICE are just shooting in the streets. No need to push white supremacist appoligia
You’re absolutely right, ICE doesn’t even bother putting up a “trial” and torturing the suspect for a confession for murder, they just execute you in the street without even an illusion of due process, and they may call you a fucking bitch after.
Lick some boots.
Where did all those missing detainees from Alligator Auschwitz go?
What a disgusting country.
According to israel iran is very bad
Now now, this is not the time to be spitting that language on Iran. Remember, we’re supposed to be sympathetic to them because America chose to war with them. /s
This timeline is garbage in terms of world events.
The real takeaway here is that the war isn’t doing anything to stop Iran’s violent repression
Yeah countries at war are getting notoriously more open and progressive. Who knew? 😂
Has anyone recommended therapy for Iran’s leaders? Maybe that would stop them from violently oppressing their people, since War obviously isn’t working.
It’s not really supposed to
Exactly. The Trump administration and Israel allegedly took out the majority of the Iranian government’s leadership (and killed a lot of innocent people in order to do so), yet somehow the result is just that more innocent people are dying.
I’m just going to come right out and say it. What’s the deal with this war?
Sorry to ask such a provocative question. Definitely don’t want to wind up on some watch list for criticizing the
regimeadministration.Also, we are finally just calling it a war right? I know Netenyahu is, but wasn’t sure which double speak the U.S. is officially using? Are we still supposed to be pretending it’s an “intervention” and therefore not illegal?
What’s the deal with it? Something like 90% of the US gov takes AIPAC funding for 1. This has been a long, and arduous process that Israel has undertaken in order to do this. There have been multiple US politicians at this point that have stated out loud that their allegiances are with Israel, and not the US.
They want to complete the greater Israel project, and Iran would be the only true opposition to this, so they have to go. It’s not a coincidence that Israel is currently ethnically cleansing southern Lebanon while all of this is happening.
Well imagine you’re in Iran: you don’t have weapons, you don’t have any chance to organize… What is going to stop the oppression?
Sad to say but something like this really is the only chance they have
Siding with the pedos
Tell that to Libya 🤪
Yeah or Syria
The US is the Iranian oppression.
Clearly know nothing about Iran
Yes the protests were against US and EU sanctions. Not that you would know inreed.
The US could arm them, but the US government probably fears that they’d turn on the US later
Well we did bomb a school full of little girls so I would not blame them for taking the guns and turning on us.
I’m sympathetic to the people, not to their shitty government.
How stupid do you need to be to not be able to condemn a clearly stupid and horrible war but not think that that automatically makes the victim country a “good” country
Unfortunately very stupid. Also unfortunately, a bar many people seem to surpass, like the above commenter and a few others in the comments.
As an American I hope to also not be judged by the actions of my country’s fascist regime
Tbf the guy was also involved in murdering police officers and was helping Israel and the US.
Iran isn’t great and I’m against the death penalty, but they may have had their reasons here.
How do you know?
Because they tortured him into confessing?
That is the issue. Israel admitted to have agents on the ground. Now it is so easy for the regime to claim everybody could be an agent
This comes on the back of Iran murdering thousands of protestors. The article doesn’t go into the details, but given this critical piece of information, I would excuse anyone under the basic tenants of self defense.
American police kill that that many people every year.
Both of those things are bad.
Yeah and the US has murdered a lot of people in ICE detention.
I’d be wary of those numbers. Israel and the US have a vested interest in drumming up as much support as possible for their war against Iran.
Child killer iran specifically targets young people many times even blinding them by using buck shots they did it in 2009, they did it in 2015-2017 and now they did it again from 2022 to present
And the US just bombed a school and killed many children as well.
Israel specializes in child killing.
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Places with high infant and child mortality tend to have higher birth rates specifically because people count on not all of their children surviving to adulthood.
Stop spreading FUD about genocide, it’s disgusting.
Ahhh I see the type of cesspool I’ve stepped into here.
agreed. when folks come with “yeah but iran murders protestors” and the response is “so does the US” and people dismiss that because “iran murdered thousands…” I like to ask people for the top number they are ok with. Is 2 ok? But 1000 bad? Ok so what about 20? (hinting along that the number should be zero.)
They could have murdered 90% of their population and they still wouldn’t deserved to be bombed by a bunch of pedophiles and their stupid apologists
Ok so your counter argument to “but they killed 20k protestors” is literally “would it really be better if they only killed 2?”
no. its not an argument it is a question to the interlocutor; if they are mad at iran but not mad at the US they clearly have a number that is ok.
“If they are mad at Iran and not mad at the US…” It’s because they’re racist. It’s not a numbers thing. US sanctions kill 500 thousand people every year. The death and destruction that the US has brought upon the world is astronomical, but because of US exceptionalism, a lot of people refuse to see it, especially in the West.
Sounds like you’re the one here with ‘a number they’re ok with’
And apparently that number is 20k
It’s not even close to 2 or 20. American police kill more than a thousand Americans every year, far more than any other developed country.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/policekillings_total.html
Of course they had their reasons, he was protesting their tyrannical dictatorship and power. It’s not a just reason, but it’s a reason.
You think Israel wouldn’t do the same?
Completely ridiculous “whataboutism” non-sequitur.
How is that relevant? This isn’t a zero sum game; it’s possible to be critical of both.
I’m not condoning Iran’s actions here. Let’s not sit around and help manufacture consent for this war either.
Your response was, “but Israel would do it too.” That’s irrelevant to the conversation about the Iranian government killing protesters.
You can condemn the Iranian government for doing bad things and also be against the Israel and US invasion. They’re not mutually exclusive. Just like you can condemn the actions of the state of Israel without being antisemitic.
Ah yes the valiant and honorable Iranian police
Briefly interrupted from checks notes hanging the gays
ACAB and good for him, but describing killing a cop as “protesting” isn’t really trying to honestly share the news.
I agree with you. Just saying any other country, like Israel and the US, would’ve done the same.
No, civilised countries dont execute.
Which one is civil?
like Israel and the US,
Not sure those are the shining beacons you seemingly imply…
You’re misunderstanding. I’m saying that they’re as despicable as Iran.
ty for clarification, sorry ot misundersand <3
No worries :)
Murdering the ayatollah’s cops isn’t a bad thing. Totalitarian regimes and the people who uphold those regimes are fair game imo. Fuck the us and isreal but if was fighting for freedom I’d take any help I could get.
It’s not, it’s just not “for protesting”.
So to fight a brutal regime you are going to support a state who want to replicate the gaza genocide in Iran? So dumb
Easy for someone not making those decisions to say
Answer the question. How a genocide is going to save Iranians
I’ll answer it in terms of the people of Rojava fighting ISIS. They accepted American support even though they are against governments. They fought with air support against an evil totalitarian system and totally destroyed that system. Is the US a good actor? No. But if I was in the YPG I’d want that air support. And I’ve read many accounts of YPG and YPJ soldiers who state that.
I don’t know anything about Iranians because it is locked down there. But I assume the people fighting that government are making similar calculations.
It is so easy for a person living a comfortable western life to judge the people fighting these wars for freedom. I’m not going to sit in judgement because they weren’t pure enough and I greatly dislike those who do.
The usa did not invoke genocidal statements unlike Israel during the Iraq war. So answer the question how genociding Iran will save Iranians?
I am pretty sure the parent of those schools girls murdered by the usa in the first day are saying thank you the usa, yeah it terrible that our kids dies but it is a risk we chose to take
A few bombs ought to help with that.
before you reach for the downvote
/s
The right bombs in the right place at the right time
Redditors and being pro imperialism
Name a better duo
Jokes on you, I hate imperialism.
I just think it’s funny to watch a repressive regime get its ass beat.
It’s very repressive according to western propaganda. The mollah eat babies for breakfast
