That’s the right thing to do. Making it easy for people to accept that they were wrong makes it much easier to pull support from the opposing party. If you constantly ridicule, mock or insult them, they are much more likely to stick with their opinion simply because they do not want to accept that you were right.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
from what i’ve seen, yes people are angry but people are willing to accept apologies that aren’t based entirely in leopards eating faces… you don’t get a pass for your shitty ignorant behaviour just because that behaviour comes to bite you in the ass
you get to apologise and have it accepted if you’ve seen the harm that’s been done to other people and are genuinely remorseful
Getting apologies would be nice, but it starts with acceptance. Right now, if a Trump voter can accept that they messed up or were led astray, and they can be convinced to join the resistance, that’s all I care about. I care less about hearing an “I’m sorry” than I do about having more people on the streets today - actions speak louder than words, and to turn down someone who’s joined our side over something as petty as “Have you apologized yet?” would do little more than push people away.
We need a united front right now, and just as former Trump voters have to suck up the bad feelings of having contributed to this mess, we have to hold off on purity-testing our fellow protesters and accept that to fight the oligarchs, it takes all of us, regardless of our feelings toward each other.
(i feel like i do need to start flagging that im an australian citizen, living in australia so this… kinda ain’t my place… but also, over the last 70 years the US has made it the worlds place without giving us much of a choice… point being, providing external POV without actually having intimate knowledge of culture etc etc)
i can agree with that: deal with the problem at hand… but what happens in 4 years time? let’s assume that the US doesn’t descent into complete dictatorship for an indeterminate amount of time (because if so any discussion is irrelevant)… what do you do then? you’ve won: do you live and let live? or what if MAGA tries to stay in power and causes a violent conflict? from what i understand, a lot of the current situation is buoyed because you allowed the confederates to maintain their identity during reconstruction
if the democrats get voted in in 4 years, the problem isn’t gone: the same people that voted trump didn’t suddenly gain a new found empathy for their fellow man… do you let it slide because the current crisis is dealt with and through a combination of luck and incompetence it somehow worked out?
We dont need traitors in the mindst. Why would you allow traitors into your resistance. We don’t need the trumpers to take back america. There’s more of us then there is of those traitor fucks.
They are Nazis. Plain and simple see them everyday in Florida with their Trump stickers and nazi flags.
There’s more of us then there is of those traitor fucks.
I highly doubt this. Sure, there are more people opposed to Trump than there are Trump supporters. But Trump supporters are more cohesive and easier to mobilize. When it comes to getting people off the couch - particularly to achieve goals through violence - I expect you’d be outnumbered at least 3 to 1.
They aren’t “traitors”. Many of them fell for propaganda. Do you unironically believe that parents are voting for trump when they know their parents will be deported? Do you think that illegal migrants will vote for trump when they know they will be deported?
Stop with your edgy hardliner attitude. This is how you create rifts in society.
Did Trump not fill his cabinet with Russian agents?
Traitors. Including you for defending them.
And to answer your questions yes you idiot Trump said he was gonna do all those things and the very same people voted for him still. Shows the racism and bigotry of this country.
Did Trump bot steal top secret documents? Did Trump not commit sedition? Did Trump not fill his cabinet with Russian agents?
Probably did all that, but that’s not what he’s marketing it as. I don’t think you understand how voting works for many people - they don’t watch every a politician says or does, they watch the stuff that is shown on TV, read a few flyers and that’s it.
Traitors. Including you for defending them.
I’m not defending anyone. I’m telling you that your shitty attitude and your wannabe edgy 16-year old “IM NEVER GOING TO FORGIVE THEEEEM!!!11” is not helping turning the situation in the slightest.
Also, I’m not american. Can’t really be a traitor to a country I don’t belong to.
And to answer your questions yes you idiot Trump said he was gonna do all those things and the very same people voted for him still.
Okay, then please riddle me this - why would an undocumented immigrant vote for someone that is publicly announcing he wants to kick them out? Maybe because he phrased it in a way that implied that it’s not going to affect them?
Shows the racism and bigotry of this country.
No, it shows that elections in america are more of a entertainment show than a political event.
This is how you lose. If you don’t allow people who wake up and turn away from the naziism a chance to do so, you’ve stupidly removed the opportunity for there to be fewer Nazis
Absolutely not, at least not online. People do not accept apologies, they will brand you based on that action, no matter how much you apologize. I mean, just look at some big example like pewdiepie who had a few (admittedly tasteless) moments in 2017, apologized for it multiple times but is still framed as nazi to this day.
apologies don’t mean you’re sorry… people that express a sincere point of view, are called out on their shit take, and then apologise to save face are still pieces of shit: they didn’t apologise because they realised the things they said were wrong; they apologised because they got called out and want to fix it
i’m not saying that apologies from public figures can’t be sincere, but the bar is pretty damn high because what they stand to lose by not apologising is so large that people tend to take a hit to their ego - saying something they don’t mean - rather than express their true feelings
nope i’m saying that every apology is not equivalent… simply saying you’re sorry isn’t enough… they need to have learned their mistake, not just that they got hurt and wish they didn’t
hey mate i ain’t sayin i have the answers - im just sayin yall better work something out because otherwise you’re all fucked and you’re just in for trump after trump after trump
Many people would be willing to admit that they’re wrong, however, if the “opposing” side is constantly mockign and ridiculing you, yeah, I can see why people don’t want to admit that.
I wonder what sort of studies have been done on this. I found a few with a quick search about admitting being wrong- IT seems to correlate with humility like you would expect. Also admitting fault also sometimes makes people like you more, contrary to the belief that people will think you suck if you admit fault. Though maybe not for politicians, oddly.
That’s exactly it, it’s actual hate. It’s not just “bro your opinion is stupid, you’re a moron, piss off” and be done with it. Nah, many people on here genuinely hate other opinions. They’re fully adopting a fascist mindset while thinking they’re on the “right side”.
That’s the right thing to do. Making it easy for people to accept that they were wrong makes it much easier to pull support from the opposing party. If you constantly ridicule, mock or insult them, they are much more likely to stick with their opinion simply because they do not want to accept that you were right.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
from what i’ve seen, yes people are angry but people are willing to accept apologies that aren’t based entirely in leopards eating faces… you don’t get a pass for your shitty ignorant behaviour just because that behaviour comes to bite you in the ass
you get to apologise and have it accepted if you’ve seen the harm that’s been done to other people and are genuinely remorseful
Getting apologies would be nice, but it starts with acceptance. Right now, if a Trump voter can accept that they messed up or were led astray, and they can be convinced to join the resistance, that’s all I care about. I care less about hearing an “I’m sorry” than I do about having more people on the streets today - actions speak louder than words, and to turn down someone who’s joined our side over something as petty as “Have you apologized yet?” would do little more than push people away.
We need a united front right now, and just as former Trump voters have to suck up the bad feelings of having contributed to this mess, we have to hold off on purity-testing our fellow protesters and accept that to fight the oligarchs, it takes all of us, regardless of our feelings toward each other.
(i feel like i do need to start flagging that im an australian citizen, living in australia so this… kinda ain’t my place… but also, over the last 70 years the US has made it the worlds place without giving us much of a choice… point being, providing external POV without actually having intimate knowledge of culture etc etc)
i can agree with that: deal with the problem at hand… but what happens in 4 years time? let’s assume that the US doesn’t descent into complete dictatorship for an indeterminate amount of time (because if so any discussion is irrelevant)… what do you do then? you’ve won: do you live and let live? or what if MAGA tries to stay in power and causes a violent conflict? from what i understand, a lot of the current situation is buoyed because you allowed the confederates to maintain their identity during reconstruction
if the democrats get voted in in 4 years, the problem isn’t gone: the same people that voted trump didn’t suddenly gain a new found empathy for their fellow man… do you let it slide because the current crisis is dealt with and through a combination of luck and incompetence it somehow worked out?
Nah fuck that
We dont need traitors in the mindst. Why would you allow traitors into your resistance. We don’t need the trumpers to take back america. There’s more of us then there is of those traitor fucks.
They are Nazis. Plain and simple see them everyday in Florida with their Trump stickers and nazi flags.
I highly doubt this. Sure, there are more people opposed to Trump than there are Trump supporters. But Trump supporters are more cohesive and easier to mobilize. When it comes to getting people off the couch - particularly to achieve goals through violence - I expect you’d be outnumbered at least 3 to 1.
Curb your extremism.
They aren’t “traitors”. Many of them fell for propaganda. Do you unironically believe that parents are voting for trump when they know their parents will be deported? Do you think that illegal migrants will vote for trump when they know they will be deported?
Stop with your edgy hardliner attitude. This is how you create rifts in society.
They are traitors…they voted for a traitor???
Did Trump bot steal top secret documents?
Did Trump not commit sedition?
Did Trump not fill his cabinet with Russian agents?
Traitors. Including you for defending them.
And to answer your questions yes you idiot Trump said he was gonna do all those things and the very same people voted for him still. Shows the racism and bigotry of this country.
So fuck you.
Probably did all that, but that’s not what he’s marketing it as. I don’t think you understand how voting works for many people - they don’t watch every a politician says or does, they watch the stuff that is shown on TV, read a few flyers and that’s it.
I’m not defending anyone. I’m telling you that your shitty attitude and your wannabe edgy 16-year old “IM NEVER GOING TO FORGIVE THEEEEM!!!11” is not helping turning the situation in the slightest.
Also, I’m not american. Can’t really be a traitor to a country I don’t belong to.
Okay, then please riddle me this - why would an undocumented immigrant vote for someone that is publicly announcing he wants to kick them out? Maybe because he phrased it in a way that implied that it’s not going to affect them?
No, it shows that elections in america are more of a entertainment show than a political event.
No you.
Sure they voted for a traitor, but where do you want democrats to look for votes? The left?
This is how you lose. If you don’t allow people who wake up and turn away from the naziism a chance to do so, you’ve stupidly removed the opportunity for there to be fewer Nazis
Last I checked it took a world war to stop the Nazis but go on.
Il see yall during the revolution.
That’s what happens when everyone rolls over and let’s them keep breaking laws. We’re not there yet.
Uhhh remind me again whose president?
Oh right a convicted felon who breaks laws.
We already are there.
Absolutely not, at least not online. People do not accept apologies, they will brand you based on that action, no matter how much you apologize. I mean, just look at some big example like pewdiepie who had a few (admittedly tasteless) moments in 2017, apologized for it multiple times but is still framed as nazi to this day.
apologies don’t mean you’re sorry… people that express a sincere point of view, are called out on their shit take, and then apologise to save face are still pieces of shit: they didn’t apologise because they realised the things they said were wrong; they apologised because they got called out and want to fix it
i’m not saying that apologies from public figures can’t be sincere, but the bar is pretty damn high because what they stand to lose by not apologising is so large that people tend to take a hit to their ego - saying something they don’t mean - rather than express their true feelings
So you want people to apologize, but don’t believe them when they do?
nope i’m saying that every apology is not equivalent… simply saying you’re sorry isn’t enough… they need to have learned their mistake, not just that they got hurt and wish they didn’t
And who’s the judge of apologies? Who determines which apology is enough? How can you tell they haven’t learned?
hey mate i ain’t sayin i have the answers - im just sayin yall better work something out because otherwise you’re all fucked and you’re just in for trump after trump after trump
wdym “you’re” I’m not american either lmao.
I feel like this is a deep flaw in humanity. That most people would rather continue eating literal shit than admit they were wrong.
Many people would be willing to admit that they’re wrong, however, if the “opposing” side is constantly mockign and ridiculing you, yeah, I can see why people don’t want to admit that.
I wonder what sort of studies have been done on this. I found a few with a quick search about admitting being wrong- IT seems to correlate with humility like you would expect. Also admitting fault also sometimes makes people like you more, contrary to the belief that people will think you suck if you admit fault. Though maybe not for politicians, oddly.
The vindictiveness and hate for anyone who slightly disagrees by some on here is only matched by Reddit users. It makes sense I guess
That’s exactly it, it’s actual hate. It’s not just “bro your opinion is stupid, you’re a moron, piss off” and be done with it. Nah, many people on here genuinely hate other opinions. They’re fully adopting a fascist mindset while thinking they’re on the “right side”.
It’s genuinely worrying to see that ngl.
Literally like edgy 4channers