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    In a 2021 speech titled “The Universities Are the Enemy,” then–Senate candidate J. D. Vance declared that universities, as left-wing gatekeepers of truth and knowledge, “make it impossible for conservative ideas to ultimately carry the day.”

    Yes - universities are by their very nature in opposition to irrational positions borne of ignorance, hatred, greed and fear.

    That is as it should be.

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      The foundation of education is based on the concept on wanting to better yourself and the world around you. Education is about progress, not conserving ideas that are proven to be less useful or harmful. There are words that fit better for not progressing, usually tied to indoctrination.

      If you want to conserve shit in your life, that’s fine, you just shouldn’t force it on others. The Amish prefer to conserve their horse and buggies, that’s fine. But it’s not fine to force others to not progress to airplanes because of your beliefs. I’m sure there was someone who thought the wheel was to progressive, fine, carry your shit the way you like, but I’m going to use a grocery cart, wheelbarrows and whatever other tools I find more convenient to finish the tasks I want to complete.

      Conservative by definition is to not make progress. What would be the point of learning anything new, if you weren’t trying to do anything new.

      Education will always be inherently progressive

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      “We dragged the Overton window so far to the right that basic facts are political advocacy”

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        I mean, just look at how they freaked the fuck out over Amazon merely showing you how much the tariffs are costing you for an item.

        “A hostile and political act”. That’s what the admin said, and you can bet more than a few magabrained believe that knowing what you are being taxed by donvict is “political”.

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      It’s always “liberal indoctrination” to them. Because they can’t understand that being more exposed to more ideas tends to make you less conservative. Also, it feels like a tacit admission that their own “education” was really indoctrination. That’s probably one reason why they think all education is such.

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        Because they can’t understand that being more exposed to more ideas tends to make you less conservative.

        Vance is Yale educated and the professor who set him up with his wife also got her SC clerkships… He and his wife were literally groomed to be a political power couple similar to the Clintons.

        Stop acting like hes stupid and uneducated.

        He 100% know what he’s saying is bullshit, hes a liar not an idiot. trump is an idiot, and believes it.

        That’s why Vance is so much more dangerous, it’s like comparing HW to Reagan. Both evil, but an evil elderly person with dementia does less damage than an evil intelligent person.

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            Same with HW bush…

            Didn’t stop him from becoming president on Reagans coattails.

            And HW not only caused just as much damage as Reagan, he was smart about it so still gets a fraction of the blame. His name is almost never brought up anymore.

            People just talk about the idiot fall guys, because the whole reason they’re there is to be the lightning rod of criticism so no one looks at the ones calling the shots.

            It’s a shell game, but at least when it’s an idiot they’ll get caught and some things will be stopped, or at least noticed.

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              Mostly out of curiosity but what’d HW do? I think we can squarely put more of the war on drugs on his shoulders than Reagan’s but, outside of that, I can think of so many more concrete things Reagan did to worsen and destabilize America (even if the effects were much later) than I can for the 1-term HW (but that may just be unfamiliarity, on my part).

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          Agreed. He’s probably trying to mainstream Curtis Yarvin style insanity. Thing is that “JD” “Vance” and Curtis are a lot more educated than the people they are pitching this shit to.

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        Knowledge is the cure to conservatism.

        You cannot simultaneously hold right-wing views and know enough about the world to have any valid opinions about how it should be run.

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          I am not a right-wing voter and don’t consider myself a centrist, but discarding all right-wing views as faulty isn’t gonna help to bring about a healthy democratic conversation. I would argue it is in the benefit of everyone to make a distinction between extreme/far-right views and ‘regular’ right-wing views.

          Knowledge is a cure for a lot of things, no argument there.

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            but discarding all right-wing views as faulty isn’t gonna help to bring about a healthy democratic conversation

            Name three that aren’t.

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            Right wing politics is ultimately about concentrating power in the hands of the aristocracy of the day or distracting the public whilst the former goal is furthered.

            These goals are to the detriment of modern society and should be wholly resisted. The goals of modern society are to create the rising tide to lift all ships.

            There is zero value in the right wing school of thought beyond the warning to not pursue it we all got ~80 years ago.

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              Right wing politics is ultimately about concentrating power in the hands of the aristocracy

              Disagree. It’s about enriching the self. It’s about stonewalling or reversing social power.

              It results in aristocracy but poor right wingers are not driven by that goal.

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                It’s about enriching the self. It’s about stonewalling or reversing social power.

                theyrethesamepicture.jpg

                The difference is how much one is able to “enrich” their self, is determined by how much they’re willing to crush others to elevate themselves. The ultimate conclusion is concentrated power.

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                    No.

                    Aristocracy is absolutely the goal. Rugged individualism is simply the most popular lie used to attain that goal.

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              That’s like saying everything left is bad because look at how the Sovjets ended up

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                The soviets were authoritarians…

                Ones with a terrible human rights record.

                Like, even if you ignore everything except a left/right economic scale, their wealth inequality was insane. Most people had the same: nothing. And a few people had almost everything of value in the country.

                That’s not communism, that’s an oligarchy. The only further right on an economic scale would be a single person owning everything.

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        They have to work so hard at just propping up their biases (on penalty of hell in many cases) that it’s hard to conceive of a world where other people aren’t also secretly doing that.

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      I wonder how much of this is inspired by/parroting Curtis Yarvin style bullshit about “The Cathedral”.

      Also, sidebar - Curtis Yarvin is such a fucking bullshit artist. I tried to watch some interview with him and JFC, what a shitshow. You’d think these people would at least be good at slinging their garbage, but you have to be a real brainless dumbass to fall for his “musings”. The only interview with some supposed leading light that I can think of that was even worse was when Sam Harris was interviewing Jordan Peterson. I was just as baffled as I think Sam was…

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        It’s so much easier to grift conservatives… Like the shit you say doesn’t even need to make sense as long as it “sounds intelligent” to these morons.