• seeigel@feddit.org
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    4 hours ago

    Leftist analysis, which is correct.

    Leftist analysis is not correct if the proletariat is stuck where it is.

    Not all desires are valid

    I would say, not all enactments of desires are acceptable, but invalidating desires by themselves sounds wrong to me. Who decides which desires are valid?

    blaming government as the issue when really it’s the fault of Capitalism

    Having a strong government to oppose Capitalism doesn’t help either. Capitalism is just one form of maintaining power. The people with capital will become the people at the top of the government if Capitalism is abolished by government.

    Why not go full Hegel, treat left and right as thesis and antithesis and come up with something new?

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      What do you mean by “stuck?” Globally, conditions are rapidly changing, and moving steadily in favor of the Proletariat. Socialist countries like the PRC are overtaking the US, which is weakening in Imperialist power.

      Desires based on inaccurate analysis are invalid. If someone wants to limit government because of problems sprouting from Capitalism, not the government, then these aren’t desires that need to be addressed. They can be better informed and corrected, but not entertained.

      Strengthening the government under Capitalism isn’t Left either, rather the Leftist (specifically Marxist) solution is to smash the state and replace it with a Proletarian one. Historically, the bourgeoisie has been suppressed by Proletarian States, your hypothesis isn’t accurate.

      Hegel’s Dialectics are idealist, and thus wrong. He advanced Dialectics, but it was Marx that stood them upright and made them Materialist. The idea of trying to synthesize a new ideology of left combined with right historically is Social Democracy, which ends in the same problems under Capitalism and in the Nordics, for example, relies on Imperialism to sustain itself. With the global weakening of Imperialism, conditions are decaying in the Nordics.

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        3 hours ago

        the bourgeoisie has been suppressed by Proletarian States, your hypothesis isn’t accurate

        But there are priviliged positions of power within those states. It’s just another form to organize power. Those positions will not be available to everybody.

        The idea of trying to synthesize a new ideology of left combined with right historically is Social Democracy,

        That can’t be all.

        As you write, it doesn’t work so something else should be tried.

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          Administration and management are necessities in complex and large-scale systems. This does imply power imbalance, but it does not imply the same character of class dynamics as in Capitalist states.

          Social Democracy doesn’t work, but Socialism does. We have seen this in practice quite effectively. There isn’t a mythical “perfect” system, all Socialist states have faced internal and external struggles, but we have seen remarkable resiliance and success from them in a quantitatively and qualitatively different level from Capitalist states.

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            2 hours ago

            Xi Jinping is the son of a high ranking politician. How is that not some form of class dynamics?

            Socialism does work

            USSR failed by having to import grain, while having black earth.

            But I am not opposing Socialism.

            My point is that right-wing people shouldn’t be ignored, especially not to the point of seeing them as enemies.

            The upper class is using the split to reign. Insisting on a solution that has room for improvement locks in the current situation.

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              Having a parent as a politician and then being elected is not a “class.” The alternative is to bar descendents from holding office, which is just trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist.

              The USSR had problems we can analyze, but through collective farming methods became food stable in a country that frequently had famines. Further, we can see food stability in countries like the PRC.

              We should not ignore right-wing proletarians. We should thoroughly correct their poor analysis and promote correct political lines. We should see fascists and the bourgeoisie, landlords, etc as enemies.

              The upper class plays up division to distract, this is correct, but Socialism remains the correct path. There isn’t a “perfect” Socialism, but that doesn’t mean advocating for Socialism locks in the current situation. To the contrary, Socialist revolution has already happened in many areas.

              I’d like to know what you mean by saying “Socialism has ro for improvement” as a general rule, and not as countries building Socialism iterating and working to resolve the problems that come with nation building in general.