California Governor Gavin Newsom holds an early edge over Vice President JD Vance among young male voters for the 2028 presidency, according to new polling from a Republican-affiliated firm.
The latest League of American Workers/TIPP survey, conducted October 22-28, shows that among young men, 38 percent would vote for Newsom compared to 33 percent for Vance.
The findings suggest that Newsom—a prominent Democratic voice—continues to outperform expectations with a demographic that has trended toward the GOP in recent years. The results come amid renewed debate within both parties over how to win back young men, a group increasingly seen as pivotal to future national elections.
we need a leftist to run ffs
Personally I prefer the Great Khan of Illinois
Vance is the lowest possible bar you could compare him to…
That’s good, Gavin needs a low bar or else he won’t clear it…
Why do young men have such bad taste in politicians? Jfc
I mean, I too prefer stage 2 neoliberals to terminal neoliberals
Don’t run Newsom. Run AOC
It’ll be Harris all over again. JD sucks but in no way would I be enthusiastic about voting for Newsom.
I think there’s no way in hell Harris would win a democratic nomination. The stink left on her from losing to Trump will be very hard to overcome.
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Not sure what this means, honestly. She hasn’t won a democratic primary yet, but has lost to a historically unpopular candidate. While also sharing the stage with conservatives. I just don’t think she’ll be able to shake that.
They do say that llms don’t actually understand anything so that tracks
lol, ok.
I think she’d be great. I’d vote for her if I could.
We need more good Senators.
Think she could win a democratic nomination? I think it’s going to be very hard for her to overcome that loss.
I think she’d slot into Schumer’s slot nicely. If AOC doesn’t grab it first.
NY is definitely not an easy state to win statewide elections. But I hope she does. She deserves a much bigger platform.
Edit: I hope she does. Somehow I said the opposite of what I meant.
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Anyone but Newsom. Please.
So far I think he’s better than Hillary Clinton. I also don’t really know what he stands for.
He stands for corporations as far as I can tell. Occasionally he is on the right side of things, seemingly on accident.
In what way, though? Everybody stands for corporations in some way.
He’ll nit support cost of living, depressed wages, and will continue to offer tax breaks to the wealthy. Maybe he throws LGB people a bone, but he will absolutely make sure trans people get shafted. He’s a corporate Dem when what the Dems actually need to be doing to helping working people.
Is this all based on things he’s actually done as a governor or proposed? Or just the vibes he puts out?
As for giving trans people the shaft. I think this is just exaggerations people make online. He came out against trans athletes joining sports of their gender. But that’s an issue 66% of Americans agree with. It hardly means he doesn’t support trans people.
I’d prefer him over Harris I think, but wouldn’t be very happy with either
I was not and would not be enthusiastic about voting for Harris - but I would vote for her.
I straight up would not vote for Newsom.
Run AOC.
Run a primary
Is AOC running?
She’s building up for something, not yet clear whether state level or national level.
NY “moderate” dems need replacement. Hochul, Schumer, Gillibrand…
Antonio Delgado is challenging Hochul and I’m excited for that. Gillibrand unfortunately isnt up for a while yet. Schumer is up in 2028 and therefore the most likely for AOC to challenge at state level.
Is Newsom running (any more officially than AOC)?
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She is likely running for senate.
There are rumors. If have to check but I don’t think Newsom is explicitly running yet either
Democratic primary is going to be INTERESTING. God I hope we don’t fuck this up.
While I would love AOC, she would be the youngest by quite a bit. Plus, she probably needs to win something more than a house seat. It is great having a party leader that is so young.
The problem with the party leadership route is that party insiders are the only ones who get to vote on it, and when that’s the electorate she can’t even beat Gerry Nadler. If she can run in a race with real people voting on it I think she could beat anyone.
Why? Explain why.
Copy and pasting from my other comment
Her highest accomplishment is being a House of Representatives member. This is incredibly rare. Most people that become president have been elected in a statewide election, or had military, or were a part of the office in some way already (VP, secretary, etc).
To go from being a House of Representatives member to being president is a massive uphill battle.
I hope she runs and joins other democrats on the debate stage. It would raise her profile in a big way. She would have my vote for sure. But I would not get my hopes up simply cause of her experience level.
Tell me again how many times the current president was a senators or representative or in government at all. Your comment is garbage.
Her highest accomplishment is being a House of Representatives member. This is incredibly rare. Most people that become president have been elected in a statewide election, or had military, or were a part of the office in some way already (VP, secretary, etc).
To go from being a House of Representatives member to being president is a massive uphill battle.
I hope she runs and joins other democrats on the debate stage. It would raise her profile in a big way. She would have my vote for sure. But I would not get my hopes up simply cause of her experience level.
Your comment is garbage.
Grow up
Quit juggling and Answer the question. What was Donald Trumps previous roles in government before he was the president.
Clearly you’re not actually interested in having a conversation since you are ignoring my actual points and the spirit of what I’m saying.
AOC shares nothing in common with what brought Trump to power. He has been a very well known national figure for longer than AOC has been alive. He had a national brand that gave him an advantage.
AOC doesn’t have this yet. She is very popular among progressives, but in no way is she taken as seriously nationally as somebody who has been making headlines since the 80s. Or even as someone who was a senator or governor or VP or cabinet member. She could earn this respect in debates, but it will be much harder for her than others.
I dont think its extreme to prefer some larger leadership roles before the largest one in the country. Even Obama had a senator stint. Even with it I think he squandered certain opportunities for progress because of inexperience. I’d still vote AOC before Newsom by a large margin but there are also other potentials in the party. Those potentials aren’t as left as I’d like but they could be more effective at getting things done.
Trump is a strong argument against allowing inexperience…
Keep polishing those turds with experience. They still will be turds.
Obama was a turd as well he just made you feel good about it.
You deserve Nancy polosi, biden, and Mitch McConnell.There’s a difference between experience and entrenchment.
And how well has that worked out for the country?
I see you are just piling up your trash for that move to under the bridge. Worked out pretty good for China I’d say. But keep playing by outdated imaginary hard rules and thinking in your 1980s logic world let me know how that works out for you.
So you decided to be an unrestrained asshole instead of admitting that your shitty example was flawed. Cool.
Go fuck yourself.
Dumbest shit I’ve heard in a while. She would be a great candidate, but to quote back to the future " I guess you guys weren’t ready for that yet. But your kids are gonna love it’
Call it dumb, but Newsom is one candidate that voting for would violate my moral code. If it’s Newsom vs Trump or Newsom vs Vance, I am staying home.
I am literally begging democrats to run someone I can vote for. Doesn’t have to be a good candidate, just has to be someone that’s not Newsom
I defo think we should run AOC over Newsom. That said, people staying home because voting for the lesser of two evils “violated their moral code” is how we ended up in our current situation. It is unbelievably selfish to prefer to say “at least my hands are clean” as the world grows drastically darker due to your inaction. I really hope we get to vote for AOC in 2028, but if we don’t, then I am begging you to do some reflection and change your attitude.
It’s not lesser of the two evils for me. Newsom strikes me as a smarter Trump seen through a Democratic curtain instead of a Republican one.
Voting for Biden and Harris were voting for the lesser of the two evils. Voting for Newsom is not. That’s how strongly I feel about Newsom.
While I would enthusiastically vote for AOC, it doesn’t have to be AOC to get my vote. Hell, id vote Whitmer - and she gives me slimy vibes.
the astroturf is strong with this one
Get ready for a lot more of it when the elections come around. This place will be crawling with that bullshit again.
Hey, maybe he’s a true believer that just drank all the astroturf flavored Kool-aid.
Newsom is also not my preferred candidate. Yeah, it might lower enthusiasm and cause people to stay home, aka the opposite of Mamdami. But I’m not going to go tell my friends and everyone on the Internet not to vote because of it.
I looked that up. I’m not representing other people or claiming that this will be a movement. If they run Newsom, they will lose my vote. If that doesn’t matter to them, so be it.
Newsome is terrible. He’s a slimy rich boy who is exceptional at playing demographics.
People are excited cause this gerrymandering thing was a win. The dude has been enabling PG&E to kill hundreds of people in Northern California and handed them more power in relation to solar installation. He’s not that far off from his democratic cuck podcast phase where he let popular republicans shit down his throat cause he thought that would make him more popular nationality.
Newsome will sell the nation out for money, or power, he doesn’t care about California, he cares about looks. DNC loves a plastic-surgeried, rich candidate as much as republicans do. You can hope they do better, but people are shallow.
President Vance it is, then.
Run aoc but dress her as a leather couch every day. Easy victory.
There are Democrats not named Newsom.
If Democrats choose to run him anyway, then I guess we’ll have President Vance, yes.
This is the same stupid logic that got us Kavanaugh. There has to be more than one eligible person, yet they insist on pushing one of the worst possible candidates.
Are you saying Newsom is the last standing Democrat available to run for President? Because I disagree.
Like the other guy said: shut up.
Oh, shut up.
Don’t run either. Can’t ever get change if people keep electing POS that place the status quo over the needs of the working class Edit sp
Newsom is infinitely more likely to get elected in a national election unless we suddenly develop class consciousness.
Always saying centrist candidates are the only ones who can win and then running only centrist candidates is a self fulfilling prophecy that doesn’t even have a good track record.
But Newsom made funny Twitter posts.
Fuck Newsome. More of the same bullshit Dems that lost to Trump…
I can’t wait for angry liberals to blame leftists for another historic loss after they choose to run Newsom against all reason.
All the more reason to start making sure people know they can vote in D primaries without any obligations in the general.
The only way Newsom gets the nomination, is if billionaires convince people not to vote in the Dem primary. And they’ve already started their propaganda.
So we absolutely need to make sure Dem primary turnout is as high as possible.
The neoliberal voters will show up in the primary, we can’t just let them have it.
I don’t think I have voted for the eventual winner in the Democratic primary since Obama in 2008. But the current primary process is broken, and only exists to rubber-stamp the establishment candidate. And remember that in 2008, Obama was not the establishment candidate, his win was not expected. If anything, the party has made the primary process even more of a game since then.
Having said that, though, if Newsom is the primary winner I will hold my nose and vote for him, because he will still be better than any Republican. (And if Trump is still alive by then, we will know that whoever gets the nomination will be in his pocket, anyway).
I would fix the Democratic Party primary process by doing it all in one month. Four weeks in May or June, 12 to 13 states per week, rotating by region. Fuck all these states who think they are special by having “first in the nation” primaries or caucuses, where the one Podunk town with 13 registered voters gets to be in the news every 4 years. Every state is important.
Oh, and do it on Saturday. Let the media cover it like it’s fucking March Madness.
If Newsom wins the nomination, he’ll probably win the general…
But that means he’d get to appoint a neoliberal as DNC chair, and they’re sure as shit not going to let a progressive get the nom in 2032, Newsom would run again. Then he’d be out or name a new DNC chair again…
And 2036 we won’t get a fair primary either.
We can’t afford to go back
I don’t care if you’re a lifetime green party voter, anyone that considers themselves left of the Dem party still needs to vote in Dem primaries to drag the party left.
There aren’t even Green primaries. You lose nothing voting in the Dem primary, and are not obligated to anything in the general.
Americans are so brainwashed that they think Newsom is some kind of hard core left winger as opposed to the truth that he’s only slightly less social conservative than Hillary Clinton.
He’s also very much a fiscal conservative. I don’t think the Prop 13 limited budgets in California really allow anyone to do anything major without years of congressional battles.
He’s basically Hillary, but California, yes.
Yeah, he is only as socially liberal as his ambitions allow. He was in favor of same sex marriage ahead of the DNC when he was mayor of San Francisco. Now he’s in favor of platforming bigots to increase his popularity.
I mean, it makes sense…
Billionaires own the media, but not the DNC anymore.
That’s why Pritzker and Newsom’s names are constantly in the news. They can’t rig the big primary anymore, so they’re gonna spend the next three years acting like only neoliberals are doing anything, and they’re all super progressive.
But they all have “experience” so if they were really progressive, wed already know.
Billionaires definitely own the DNC. Every single progressive has been treated like crap by the corporate wing of the party which at this point is still the majority.
You realize “the DNC” is just the chairperson right?
There’s ~400 voting members who pick the chair, except when a Dem wins the presidential they go with the pick.
So 2016 they fucked up and picked a shitty chair.
2020 they went with the presidents pick.
And 2024 they realized that wasn’t working and didn’t pick a neoliberal.
Those ~400 people have turnover too. The ones who voted in February this year weren’t the ones who voted in 2016.
Change can happen very quickly because of how it’s structured. We have a non biased chair for the first time in like 50 fucking years bro. Because Obama abandoned the DNC instead of appointing a progressive or at least someone unbiased
Since the party put it’s fingers in the scale for Carter because even Jimmy Carter was further right than voters if his time wanted.
Like, we won the war over the party months ago, and you’re like one of those Japanese soldiers that kept “fighting” on an island for decades because they never got the surrender order.
The closest thing to pro-billionaire Martin’s ever said is:
Yeah, we’ll take their money if they give it, but we won’t be biased for it.
And yeah I know what your response will be “they’ll only give it if they get something!!!”
Which logically…
Means billionaires aren’t going to give to the DNC under Martin.
Exactly what you want. Martin just said it diplomatically because it was during his campaign for chair, and he was making it clear that if billionaires stop giving, it’s not because he’s be rejecting their donations, it’s because they’d only give if it’s a bribe instead of a donation.
It needs to be someone not buried in donor class money. Period.
This is a class war.
Great news!
The DNC agrees with us now on that:
Following years of pressure from progressive advocates, the Democratic National Committee’s resolutions panel on Tuesday unanimously approved a measure aimed at limiting dark money—undisclosed independent campaign contributions—in presidential primary elections.
The resolution, which was introduced by Chair Ken Martin, was approved during the DNC’s summer meeting in Minneapolis. The measure calls for creating a panel tasked with pursuing “real, enforceable steps the DNC can take to eliminate unlimited corporate and dark money in its 2028 presidential primary process.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/dnc-dark-money-resolution
Keeping that out of the primary, means the deciding factor is just who voters want, not who donors want.
It’s not as easy as it sounds, and I fully get any hesitation or doubt that they’re “looking into it”, but shit man…
It’s huge they’re even putting in a good faith effort to figure out how to do it and hold candidates accountable
Oh look it’s the same pattern that’s been happening my entire life.
I think their plan is to run Buttigieg. He keeps making the rounds.
You’re assuming there’s an election in 2028.
And the rumors of a 6-8% shift in the electronic counts on the presidency are not from a corrupted “update” to software. (There’s rumors all over, no way to tell what’s real and what’s not, sadly).
