• stinky@redlemmy.com
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    16 hours ago

    Which greek philosophers said that? and what did they say? do you have any sources to confirm?

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      13 hours ago

      Both plato and aristotle, but aristotle thought that any election-based state turned out in practice, to be an oligarchy or aristocracy, not a democracy (which he define as rule by the poor, with random selection by lot).

      Aristotle’s politics books 4-6 talk a lot about this:

      http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.4.four.html

      In other words, what today we call “representative democracy”, the ancient greeks correctly identified as oligarchy.

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        8 hours ago

        Did the greeks suggest any replacement?

        I see electoralism weaknesses, but what other systems are less prone to power capture and then raw authoritarianism?

        If people don’t choose their representation, then who does? Or is representation the flaw?

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          6 hours ago

          Socialist democracy. The political structure is a way to reinforce the economic base, so by moving onto socialism, the working class is in control of the state. The issue isn’t with voting, period, but the idea that we can escape capitalism just by doing so.

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        11 hours ago

        Your response is rational, informational, based in fact, and measurable.

        The original image is uncited incendiary garbage. This is not a time where we need more division and infighting. If you can’t be nice, please just stick to the facts.