Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stated that Russia is importing petrol, calling it the rightful result of the work of the Security Service, the Armed Forces, intelligence and Ukrainian weapons manufacturers.

Quote: "Today, there were also reports on our entirely justified strikes against Russian targets – against their logistics and fuel infrastructure. I am grateful to our warriors for their precision. Russia chooses war, Russia destroys our people’s lives, and must be held accountable – our long-range capabilities will increase.

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    Ukraine is what the Allies have been in World War 2-- a really fucking competent leadership. It doesn’t matter if the opponent has a bigger stick if he’s too stupid to use it and keep missing the swings. That’s what Russia is. So much for “corrupt Ukraine”. No country is void of corruption, but if Ukraine is as corrupt as Russian propaganda insists they are, they wouldn’t have been able to survive this long and embarrass Russia. Speaking of which, it’s funny I don’t see much Russian bots try to smear Ukraine anymore (maybe Putin is instead focusing on propagandising the Russians). Since Kursk and the deep drone strike campaigns in Russia, it is clear that Russia is losing the propaganda war.

    Maybe Ukraine couldn’t retake the areas occupied by Russia, but they could deliver a Pyrrhic blow to Kremlin. Russian international prestige already diminished as soon as they invaded.

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      Ukraine was probably close to as corrupt as the Russians have never stopped bleating, but:

      1. They’ve overhauled a lot of their government, largely fixing the corruption mess.
      2. What does it say about Russia if they can’t beat an allegedly corrupt and rotting government?
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      (maybe Putin is instead focusing on propagandising the Russians)

      Or maybe Putin decided the bot farmers were needed at the front lines as drone fodder.

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      Maybe Ukraine couldn’t retake the areas occupied by Russia, but they could deliver a Pyrrhic blow to Kremlin.

      They have delivered a pyrrhic victory.
      Russia thought they could take Kyiv (Ukraine?) on 3 days.
      The fact that Ukraine has resisted so hard, have redefined the modern battlefield, have conducted huge deep strikes…
      Ukraine is winning.

      The reason Ukraine may not be “winning” is because the Russian war machine is huge. Like really really big.
      The reason that Ukraine is “winning” is because the Russian war machine is outdated and corrupt.

      The western opinion of Russia has been devastated. Russia tested themselves, and failed.
      Russia is holding on by their nukes.

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      I’m just concerned about what happens if things start to go really badly for the Russians. Nothing good can come of a nuclear superpower that feels threatened and backed into a corner, either by the enemy or their own populace.

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        They were ground to a standstill in Afghanistan too, and the apocalypse failed to materialize.

        Some geriatic leaders were shown to be incompetent, so they were replaced by other elderly drunks.

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        Eh, the people around Putin know that they have better odds of maintaining their lives and fortune when no nukes fly.

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        One of the symptoms of corruption is diversion of critical resources to private pockets.

        Yeah, OK, all systems have some level of corruption, but setting binary thinking aside, in Ukraine, it can’t be of great magnitude or they couldn’t fight.

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    It will be fun when Ukraine starts locating and burning the imports, too :) Fuck Pootin, and fuck ruzzia. They are curse to humanity !

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      Destruction of pipelines and refineries will mean that it doesn’t matter where the fuel’s coming from. They’ll either have to import refined products or do without.

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        Indeed. But I’m also suggesting that the import facilities are targets now, too. If they can’t produce, and can’t import, they will just have to live like the cavemen that ruzzians are.

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    Nothing to see here. It’s fake news. russia strong. Resistance is futile… ROFL

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    Effectively Ukraine is doing more to help the US economy than its own Executive Branch.

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      Ukraine is a front line for the entire West. Of course it helps the US. It has taken donny 10 years to understand what anyone can read from a wiki article in less than an hour.

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        I want to live to see the day where JD Vance is forced, on his hands and knees, to say thank you.

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      Effectively Ukraine is doing more to lessen the production of petrol than any other country.

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    Headline seems true. To quote ISW’s Oct 1 report:

    Gasoline shortages continue in Russia and occupied Ukraine due to repeated Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil refineries. Russian energy-focused outlet Seala told Russian state outlet RBK on September 30 that Russian oil refineries are temporarily facing a 38 percent decrease (roughly 338,000 tons per day) in their primary oil refining capacity as of September 28 due to Ukrainian drone strikes, which have struck more than two dozen major oil refineries in Russia since early August 2025.[20] Seala estimated that Russia’s total available capacity for gasoline and diesel fuel production fell by 6 percent in August 2025 and by another 18 percent in September 2025, reaching historic lows. Seala estimated that Ukrainian drone strikes caused approximately 70 percent of downtime in gasoline production as the strikes disabled approximately a quarter of Russia’s oil refining capacity (roughly 236,000 tons per day) by the end of September 2025, and that four more Russian refineries, including two of the top five largest Russian oil refineries, halted production after drone strikes. Independent Russian outlet the Moscow Times reported that the fuel crisis has impacted the Far East and occupied Crimea the hardest, where Russian authorities have banned sales of more than 30 liters of gasoline per customer since the beginning of the week (roughly September 28).[21] Crimean occupation head Sergey Aksyonov announced on October 1 a limit of 20 liters of gasoline per customer in an effort to mitigate the gasoline shortage.[22] Russian economist Vladislav Inozemtsev noted that Russian oil companies have to wait months for repairs to damaged refineries, as Western sanctions have blocked the sale of equipment and replacement parts on which Russia relies and cannot easily replace with Chinese equivalents. Russian business outlet Kommersant reported that Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak outlined to Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin on September 24 several possible means of alleviating Russia’s desperation for gas, including a zero-rate five percent import customs duty on gasoline imported from the People’s Republic of China (PRC), South Korea, and Singapore through certain checkpoints in the Far East.[23] Novak also reportedly proposed a rule that Russia will only authorize certain companies to supply fuel, which would allow Russia to export approximately 150,000 tons of gasoline from Siberian refineries westward per month to maintain supply balances in central Russia. Novak also reportedly proposed increasing gasoline imports from Belarus from 45,000 tons to 300,000 tons per month. RBK reported that Belarus began exporting gasoline to Russia in September 2025 after a pause that began in Fall 2024.[24]

    Russia’s problems with oil refinery capabilities will likely persist amidst more damage to Russian oil refineries. Russian authorities and sources reported on October 1 that there was a large fire at the Yaroslavl Oil Refinery, located 700 kilometers from the Ukrainian border.[25] Yaroslavl Oblast Governor Mikhail Evraev claimed on October 1 that the incident is unrelated to a drone attack, and neither Ukrainian nor Russian sources have attributed responsibility for the fire.[26] Rostov Oblast Governor Yuriy Slyusar claimed that a Ukrainian drone strike overnight caused a fire at an industrial facility in Verkhnedonsky Raion, Rostov Oblast, and NASA FIRMS data indicates that there was a fire at the Sukhodolnaya Oil Pumping Station in Rostov Oblast.[27]

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    I find it really “eye opening” to watch a “small” country like Ukraine, just demolish a huge behemoth almost all on their own. Yes they got support from USA, that helped them survive a lot of the first invasion wave, where russia wasn’t prepared for the resistance they were getting do to bad serveilance reportings, of the russian KGP. But after a lot of the help they are getting from their allies, they have been innovating and forcing themselves out of this.

    This is the modern version of David and Goliath. Ukraine has revolutionized modern warfare completely.

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      It seems to be similar to the Vietnam War (besides the distances ofc). The US lost that because none of the soldiers actually cared about going to fight in Vietnam, nobody cared about winning. It might be a similar story with Russia. What stakes do the Russian people face if they lose? What does Ukraine have to lose?

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        nobody cared about winning

        That was an unwinnable war. China supported North Vietnam, with which it shared a long border. The US was fighting thousands of miles from its borders, with all the logistical problems that entailed, and was not willing or able to engage China directly in the fighting-- they had recently tried that in the Korean war and barely managed to achieve a stalemate at a high cost in lives. The South Vietnamese government was a former French colonial puppet regime that was rotten to the core, the South Vietnamese soldiers knew that and had no desire to die for those parasites or for the US’s obscure objectives. The North Vietnamese soldiers had to either fight and win or be massacred by either the US or their own government. So they cared about winning, since for them it was an existential imperative. American draftees had more options than that.

        But I agree that your analysis that the cost of failure to the sides in that war was massively asymmetric is indeed also applicable to Russia and Ukraine.

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        It’s a bit different as Russian indifference is also what made this war be possible in the first place.

        I mean, back in '22 Russian opposition mostly had to flee abroad, but broadcasted news of Russian war crimes, commenting that Russian citizens should know the truth.

        Now we know they know. It’s just that nobody cares until it affects them personally.

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          it is not even the first generation of russian opposition that failed at that. They played dumb when Transnistria situation happened, they didn’t gave a shit when russia started a proxy war with Georgia by fueling the separatist movements, they couldn’t be bothered with Karabakh thing, lots of them openly supported military invasion of Ichkeria that tried to secede according to international law only to be laughed at, they played the “it’s very ambiguous” during the August 8 invasion even there was nothing ambiguous. russian opposition was politically irrelevant long before that and their fate as absolutely inadequate play-pretend clownshow was cemented when most of them decided to feign ignorance and sit on the fence over Crimea annexation and then their leaders started speculating over that with sandwich rhetoric which was deeply idiotic and counterproductive.

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        Idiot orc! Ukraine doesn’t even have a full draft yet. They are not even recruiting men under 25 years of age. If anyone is “running out of men”, it’s the fucking weak ass ruzzian pigs, who use all the dirty tricks, like tricking foreign international students to the front line, as well as jailed criminals, invalids and elderly. Even 18 year old conscripts, who by ruzzian law, can’t be sent to war, are being coerced into changing their contracts. They are sending wounded men, ON ACTUAL CRUTCHES, into battle. Speaking of ruzzian pigs…how come you aren’t at the front line yet? Are you one of the millions of young ruzzian men who ran away to a foreign country, rather than serve the mighty midget Pootin? You should serve. You’d look great as a pink mist wafting in the morning breeze, Yuri.

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      Demolish how? Russia is still taking ground. We are entering into fourth year of war, and with the exception of Kursk campaign the line is moving only in one direction.

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        Meatwave tactics do tend to gain ground, but the midget Pootin is starting to get desperate for warm bodies to send. Pootin the Tiny is resorting to tricking international students into signing up for the meatgrinder, and there are literal waves of ruzzian orcs attacking WHILE ON CRUTCHES! Ruzzian soldiers are encouraged to shoot their own wounded because ruzzia can’t afford to medically treat them, or pay pensions… Ruzzian weapons are proven crap, and getting crappier, and that’s a foreign market ruzzia will, NEVER get back. What ruzzian navy? ROFLOLOLOL!!! Ruzzia has run out of fuel (LOL) and is now an importer of gasoline, while Ukraine permits it. (Hint: Ukraine will be bombing import facilities and infrastructure very soon). The ruzzian economy is in the toilet and about to be flushed, ruzzian elites are grumbling audibly about midget Pootins failures… The entire next generation of ruzzians has fled overseas, or already been turned into sunflower fertilizer. Ruzzia is Donny 2 Inches “third world shithole country”, in every possible way. Third World Ruzzia should try to give their population actual flushing toilets and indoor plumbing, before they start and lose their next war ROFL. No wonder that every ruzzian woman is trying to find a western husband, because this is yet another destroyed generation of ruzzian men. Only the crippled and unemployable violent drunks are going to remain, to populate future ruzzia. What a genetic disaster, hey?

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          Only the crippled and unemployable violent drunks are going to remain

          As opposed to the glorious past, when there were also non-crippled and marginally employable violent drunks.

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        Taking land is the only way to win a war. Outlasting an opponent’s ability/will to fight doesn’t work at all, right?

        Remind me: who controls Afghanistan? You know, that small country that didn’t even have a standing army who fought against the most powerful military on the planet for 20 years … after fighting the Soviets for 10.

        Probably a fluke though – it’s not like that’s repeatedly happened in wars across history.

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          True. But also Afghanistan’s climate and terrain make it costly to occupy, and there was no comparable benefit to being there, besides possibly control of the opiate trade. And large-scale mechanized warfare was also horrendously difficult in Afghanistan, but much more possible in Ukraine and vicinity.

          So the Russians left because there was nothing worth stealing that would justify the high casualty rate. The US fucked off because there was no reason to be there besides to slap the Taliban around and kill however many Al-Qaida fighters could be found. But the war aims for the US were never well-articulated, and that led to bizarre rules of engagement that could never achieve more than a holding pattern. The US could have stayed and exterminated every single Talib, but that would have almost inevitably spread the conflict to the Taliban’s sponsors, Pakistan, which has nukes (and a far larger popultation than Afghanistan). Not a good state to destablize.

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        just to clarify - taking ground with immense personnel and hardware losses over what it is rendered into a literal moonscape with no infrastructure or housings intact. good luck holding onto that.

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        Russia hasn’t taken significant ground for years. The front line is stuck, entrenched and static. There might be variations by 10 metres here or there, but it’s basically the same today as 3 years ago.

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          Look at how the first world war ended. The front was frozen for about three years, then it suddenly came unstuck. What had changed was crumbling alliances on the Axis side, an increasingly difficult problem with fuel supply (hmm, that sounds familiar), and the need for Germany to maintain some level of military strength for internal repression. So what broke things loose was a gradual loss of German resiliency. That could happen to Russia, too, but it depends on international resolve that may or might not be sufficiently strong. In particular, it’s not clear if Trump is more interested in backstabbing Europe to ingratiate himself with Putin, or backstabbing Putin in order to claim credit for a victory that would actually largely be Zelenskyy’s.

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        You’re wasting your time lmao. If they took Kyiv and jailed all the leadership these delusional libs would claim it’s just Russian propaganda and the real victory is just around the corner like it’s an avengers movie.

        Evidence is beside the point, all that matters is vibes.

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        I don’t think they meant geographic size. In terms of population they’re around 9th, in terms of GDP more like 25th. They’re not Malta obviously, but they don’t really stack up against the big traditionally heavyweight countries by most metrics.

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        Ukraine is poor as fuck, it’s really surprising when you look at the numbers.

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        Russia was considered to be the second most powerful military in the world. They now have suffered over a million casualties and are currently unable to prevent their own oil facilities from exploding on a weekly basis.

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          And yet they haven’t left. Doesn’t sound like they got “demolished.”

          You both are just spouting gung-ho bullshit as virtue signaling for the tribe.

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            They haven’t “left” because the midget Pootin is not the one doing the dying. Yet.

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            Putin would appear weak if he walked away. Dictators don’t want to look weak. They would rather run the country into the ground than admit they were wrong.

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            The war can be both devastating for Russia and an ongoing grind.

            That itself is not unprecedented. Large militaries have horrifically ground themselves down against smaller, determined foes for literally thousands of years.

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            Amazing replies, they say Ukraine got support from US like it was a few thousand, ignoring all the support during Biden, and from other countries.

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              What? Like the support North Korea and China have been selling to the midget Pootin? Like the nice cash flow ruzzia is getting from India and other Brics countries, for whatever oil ruzzia can still transport? Like all the Iranian drones and drone technology that ruzzia can’t provide for itself? Like the battalions of (crappy) North Korean slaves that Pootin has welcomed for ruzzian cash. Even America has been helping ruzzia by keeping a leash on Ukraine, selectively providing intelligence information and even turning off their internet at times. America sent some if’s old junk that needed to be decommissioned any way. It probably actually profited America to be able to dispose of that stuff cheaply LOL. Although it is hilarious that old American junk is more that ruzzia can handle ROFL. Too bad for the runt Pootang, but war in modern times, is a multinational affair, and ruzzia is on the Temu side LOL. I though you ruzzian orcs would be too embarrassed to show your vile heads any more, due to all the failure. It most be pure cringe, to be a ruzzian LOL.

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    Isn’t Russian economy based mainly on oil export? If that’s true, then it should collapse soon. I a little bit doubt that it’ll actually happen soon, though.

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      The Russian economy now is largely based on providing war mateiriel. Russia’s export earnings are heavily dependent on fossil-fuel exports, though, and they have to import both finished and raw materials to keep military production going. Those have to be paid for, and hardly anyone wants roubles.

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      They are spending their export earnings, to import refined petroleum products now, ROFL. And you better believe that Ukraine will be targeting import facilities and infrastructure soon…

      Imagine an oil economy that has to import oil products, hehe. What an unmitigated fail that ruzzia, and their midget dicktator is…

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        Russia has a moderately high cost of production and transportation for oil, so yeah, they’re not making easy money selling crude.

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        They’re exporting crude on the cheap (due to sanctions) and buying back market rate refined fuels. They’re losing twice on it.

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      It’s hard to get definite info from there, but some experts* say the economy is way worse off than what they show the West.

      OTOH China is helping them…

      * and I mean that unironically.

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        Of course. When you’re waging war you don’t show weakness to your enemy.

        What I find stunning is how little clue the standard Russian citizen has. They know there are fuel shortage but they don’t know why.

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          What I find stunning is how little clue the standard Russian citizen has.

          Look at what the propaganda networks have achieved in the US. Those techniques were largely developed in Russia.

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        That’s quite probable. Also even help from China is probably not sustainable. Let’s hope it crumbles, the sooner the better.

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          It looks to me like China isn’t really interested in helping Russia win. They are helping Russia just enough to keep fighting and throwing away, well, everything.

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            It will be hilarious when China takes back far Eastern ruzzia, and maybe Siberia and a chunk of the Arctic too. Pootin the midget has well and truly fucked his pariah country forever. Ruzzia will be paying reparations for all time, and the location of Pootangs grave will be forgotten

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            It becomes fairly obvious when you think about what the likely effects would be.

            Let’s say Russia achieves all it’s military obejctevies; they crush the Ukrainian military, the remaining civilian population offers an unconditional surrender, and Russia is able to completely annex Ukraine. Then what?

            Then China’s biggest and most powerful neighbor would be even bigger and more powerful. Once hostilities ceased, Russia would slowly be able to start selling oil to the rest of the world again so China wouldn’t get as good a deal and the negotiations on Power of Siberia would get more complicated.

            Where is the upside for China?

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              Much of far eastern ruzzia has original chinese names. If anyone thinks China wants Taiwan back, how do you think they feel about Far Eastern ruzzia? LOL. China is just waiting for ruzzia to finish exhausting themselves, and then maybe ruzzia won’t be the biggest country by land mass anymore. Siberia, and a big chunk of the Arctic also hold much allure for the chinese. Japan should grab Sakhalin and the Kuriles, too. The location of Pootin the Midgets grave, will become ruzzia’s saliva and urine National Reserve.

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                Russia and China are two ancient empires with a long-ass border. Of course, ther’ll be rivalry, since neither state has abandoned its imperialist ambitions.

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                If China wanted to invade Russia. Why would they want Russia to win a war first? Why would it be easier for China to wait for hundreds of thousands of troops to be freed up. If China wanted to invade Russia, it’s hard to think of a better time than right now. They would be caught with their entire army on the wrong side of the country and most of the world lined up to support China, or at least stay out of the way. The only deterrent is Russia’s nuclear arsenal and that wouldn’t go away after a victory in Ukraine either.

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                  I have bad news for you. China isn’t actually waiting for “russia to win a war first”. They are sitting back, encouraging and aiding ruzzia to use ALL of it’s resources and abilities, and become even weaker in the process. Then, when ruzzia is negligible soon, it might be time to repay some historical insults, hey? And, if by some million to one chance, ruzzia wins against Ukraine, well, China can use that in it’s Taiwan strategy. It’s a win either way, for China. China also has nukes, and I’d bet theirs will work, unlike the ruzzian ones that haven’t been maintained for decades because ruzzian generals all need cash.

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              China has been watching go try to get an impression of the west’s reaction to the invasion. They want to be able to predict what will happen when they go into Taiwan.

              Roll over, or full blown shooting war with the USA?

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                Why would China need Russia to win in Ukraine to gauge the West’s reaction? They’ve already seen the reaction to an invasion.

                China has repeatedly shown that they have a much better tool against Taiwan than an invasion. Every time they want to rattle their sabre at Taiwan they blockade the entire island. They’ve done it many times and nobody does anything about it. Nobody has any realistic proposals on what they would do about it. Taiwan is a very densely populated island. It will run out of just about everything very quickly.

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                Delusional, China will simply wait out the impending collapse of the US and the ensuing end of our support for the current Taiwanese regime, after which peaceful reunification will be an inevitability. The US desperately wants China to do something stupid, as a justification for our aggressive foreign policy & to generate international support/repair our damaged reputation, which is exactly why they won’t.

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                  It’s comical that so many people believe that the CCP is led by wise visionaries rather than power-mad, corrupt gangsters who cling to power by any means available to them, and are constantly shit-scared that their own people will someday see how much they’ve been conned and rise up against them.