cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/542998

“It does suck, because everybody kind of makes fun of the Cybertruck. To the outside person, it’s kind of weird, it’s ugly, whatever. Once you actually get in it, drive it, you realize it’s pretty frickin’ cool,” he says. “It’s kind of been sad, because I’ve been trying to prove to people that it’s a really awesome truck that’s not falling apart, and then mine starts to fall apart, so it’s just… Yeah, it’s kind of unfortunate and sad.”

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    the trim piece that flew off of his truck is connected to a plastic frame bolted directly to the car; that trim piece, he says, is stuck to the frame with adhesive rather than welded or bolted to anything. That adhesive has seemingly failed in multiple places on his truck, leading to the loosened roofline trim panels.

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        There’s a reason why the EU won’t allow the sale of cybertrucks and it all has to do with build quality and safety.

        Edit: strikethrough added based on incorrect assumption as pointed out below

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          I thought it was purely due to inadequate rounding of angles on the body due to stricter pedestrian safety laws that the EU has. Does the EU have some kind of build quality testing and standard that the cybertruck failed?

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            I actually didn’t quite remember the reason, so I checked it. The rounding is one main reason and the fact it is so heavy it requires a drivers license for trucks, as well as basically no demand. So no build quality requirements failed, but definitely safety related.

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        I worked at the Tesla plant in Fremont for a bit and most of every car is held together with adhesive. They claim it’s super strong and once heated, it’s stronger than welding… But, I mean… They are still falling apart and I don’t know if that’s because the adhesive sucks or if it’s because every single day, they had to have someone remind everyone that the glue pattern posted at every station where it’s applied isn’t just a suggestion, it’s an engineering requirement for the structural integrity of the part. People were just slapping the adhesive onto shit in any old way they pleased a lot of the time.

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          Essentially every car has a windshield and trim attached only by adhesive, and has for decades. This ought to be a solved problem.

          Is that trim piece steel? Maybe something about the material, usually they’re gluing on plastic trim pieces. They’re relying on heated adhesive but it’s a long skinny piece made of a material that conducts heat?

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            Yeah, used properly, adhesive can be stronger than just about any other form of fastening. Properly is the key word. Contaminates, or improperly prepped surface will drastically reduce the effectiveness.

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              But never a weld.

              MEK welds styrene. Cynocrylate forms a mechanical bond. MEK will be stronger in tension, cyno stronger in shear.

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                Good ole methyl ethyl ketone.

                Dropped a rubber boot in a vat of it once to see what would happen.

                No idea why, but it came out much larger/expanded.

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                  Well, OK. So maybe that adhesive is stronger than a weld on that particular plastic. Of course, if you’re talking about adhering a plastic to a metal you cannot weld it so Elmer’s would be “stronger than a weld”. But whatever’s going on it’s not adequate.

                  E: and actually welding plastic together typically isn’t that strong, a mechanical bond can easily be stronger than melting the plastic to weld it.

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          they had to have someone remind everyone that the glue pattern posted at every station where it’s applied isn’t just a suggestion, it’s an engineering requirement for the structural integrity of the part. People were just slapping the adhesive onto shit in any old way they pleased a lot of the time.

          In other words, the things were being designed by underqualified engineers who didn’t understand factors of safety, design for manufacturability, or that precision comes at a cost.

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            I suspect the real issue is the workers aren’t given enough time on the line to do this correctly so they just churn them out to hit the needed metric knowing it will fail after being delivered to the owner.

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        Adhesive binding can be significantly stronger than mechanical bonding when done right.

        …when done right. Yeah. Guess where I’m putting my money.

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      What. The. Fuck…

      Are we taking lessons from Samsung now? I mean are they serious? Adhesive for car parts?!

      Well gee, as long as car exteriors don’t experience extreme heating/cooling cycles on a daily basis, then adhesive should work just fine. Oh wait.

      It’s like they wanted this vehicle to fail.

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        Adhesive is fairly common in cars now. Some higher end cars are held together almost entirely with adhesives that bond carbon tubs to the frame.

        More info here

        That being said, they’re obviously not using it correctly or in the right circumstances on the cybercuck. What a piece of shit.

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        industrial adhesive exists and is pretty strong.

        I still wouldn’t use it on a car.

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      There’s nothing wrong with adhesive. My car window shade things are attached via adhesive.

      However, if it is not an extra attachment, shouldn’t they be clipped in somehow?