It’s partly that, but it’s also that doing what Democrats want never seems to get the turnout that it should.
Biden did student loan forgiveness, which should have given him all the college votes, yet people shurg and go “Well yea! About time!”
He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go “I guess, it’s a bit better than Republicans!”
Democratic voters suck ass at rallying behind any cause, because the base is filled with “well actually…!” people, that demand 100% problem completion on day one, otherwise they are not impressed.
And even if he solved every problem ever, they’d say, “Well yea, he should fix them… He caused most of them!”
Meanwhile, Republican voters will literarily vote for a rapist because they see the bigger picture. For as stupid as they are, they understand you have to be IN POWER to do anything.
Twirling your thumb in your asshole pining about raising taxes and fist past the post and equality for all and protecting minorities is a colossal waste of time if you don’t VOTE.
Biden did student loan forgiveness, which should have given him all the college votes, yet people shurg and go “Well yea! About time!”
He dithered and only reluctantly did this. And then when he did, he did it in a way that a corrupt SCOTUS could overrule. There were other paths he could have taken, but he chose the least-confrontational approach and ultimately the court negated most of his efforts. His fault or not, very few people actually ended up getting their loans forgiven. If he failed to consider a hostile SCOTUS in his plans, then that is a strategic failure on his part.
He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go “I guess, it’s a bit better than Republicans!”
His infrastructure bills are currently being torn to pieces as they were slow to actually spend their money. They were mired in everything bagel liberalism. A thousand requirements for dollar spent meant to solve every social ill under the Sun. But regardless, these bills didn’t directly help individuals. They may be necessary to curb the rise of China, but that’s not something that affects people’s lives directly. Unionization? Biden was unable to stem the decline in union numbers, and he himself chose to be a strikebreaker.
He dithered and only reluctantly did this. And then when he did, he did it in a way that a corrupt SCOTUS could overrule. There were other paths he could have taken, but he chose the least-confrontational approach and ultimately the court negated most of his efforts.
I’m gonna gut check this, because I remember him trying couple of times to work out student debt relief. Also, what other steps would you have taken to get student debt relief/forgiveness pushed though? The only step I can think of is after the “president is a king” SCOTUS ruling he could have just canceled them and told everyone to fuck off, but using those powers was clearly something that he didn’t morally agree with.
He picked the weakest method to start with, added many delays and means testing, then after being told no by Supreme Court just changed to going through the backlog of those who should have already been forgiven and called it him fulfilling his campaign promises.
Then on top of that allowed gop to force them to restart.
Exactly. And ultimately, voters don’t want to hear excuses. They don’t expect perfection, but they do expect some results. Republicans, even with limited majorities, always manage to achieve at least some of what they would call progress. Democrats OTOH just fine endless excuses. At some point, you’re either incompetent or admitting to your voters that you were lying to them - promising them something you would never be able to deliver.
The other thing I’ve noticed with Democrats (actually pretty much any group left of the Republicans) is that they’ll splinter off into a dozen different groups at the drop of a hat and all infight with each other harder than they’ll fight their actual opponents.
The hard right is so effective IMO because they’ll glom together with people they don’t 100% agree with to push things in the general direction they want before they start arguing about the details.
But you don’t understand! Kamala was actually saying she would be personally killing Palestinian children with her bare hands or something! Clearly we should just stay home! - idiots
Eh. I get what you’re saying, but so much of the disillusionment from the potential dem base is coming from their constant promises and constantly arriving at the obvious conclusion decades late and then acting like they’re the most progressive politician in human history. While in reality it’s a half step toward the policies we should’ve enacted forty years ago.
It’s not that people are like “so what.” It’s the deep seeded knowledge in all of us that the party will try to throw us crumbs and claim like they’ve always been on our side and are the most righteous policy makers that are saving us, when in reality they’re walking hand in hand with people that are pushing us to absolute limit of barely acceptable and then dangling what they’ve known they should’ve done forever ago in front of us when we’re finally at our breaking point.
They don’t care about us. They’re not beholden to us, and it shows. They’re beholden to money and are performatively throwing us scraps when they have an opponent so far right that it’s literally the threat of fascism. And they are very much responsible for the continued rightward march of the entire country.
You’re just proving what the guy you responded to said.
Under democrats we got gay marriage, the repeal of don’t ask don’t tell, the affordable care act, net neutrality, other stuff I can’t think of at the moment, and instead of accepting slow progress the response is “you should have done that 40 years ago, I’m going to stay home because you’re not moving fast enough for me.”
On the other hand, republicans kept voting every fucking chance they had and after 50 years they got Roe overturned because those scraps add up eventually.
No gay marriage was the courts, and now may end up being removed like Roe v Wade.
On the other hand, republicans kept voting every fucking chance they had and after 50 years they got Roe overturned because those scraps add up eventually.
By actually doing a long term plan and doing absolutely anything needed to get it done.
No gay marriage was the courts, and now may end up being removed like Roe v Wade.
And who was it that appointed those judges?
So steps towards a goal from republicans are part of a long term plan to what they need, but from Democrats they’re half assed? Come on man. We were never going to get socialized medicine in one step.
The point here is that under Democrats there is progress. Would it be nice if it happened faster? Hell yes. But right now we’re racing backwards, and that sure as hell isn’t going to get us anywhere good unless you’re an accelerationist.
when in reality they’re walking hand in hand with people that are pushing us to absolute limit of barely acceptable and then dangling what they’ve known they should’ve done forever ago in front of us when we’re finally at our breaking point.
Please, talk to some ordinary Americans sometime. Some of the real, salt-of-the-earth types who regularly and reliably vote, and who make up the majority of the country.
You know, morons.
“The Dems aren’t going left enough fast enough!” is not generally the refrain, even from those who do vote Dem.
And when you ask them what performative outrage that is, their answer is generally less “They made minor economic concessions to the working class!” and more “They acknowledged that BROWN people and TRANS people have RIGHTS”
It’s actually, “the economic changes they made have no impact on me and instead seem targeted at minorities”
Chalk it up to a half-century of reactionary “welfare queen” propaganda, the truth is that democrats aren’t addressing the grievances of the working class and the Republicans are. Those grievances dont just go away if you stop talking about brown and trans people. Even if you’re willing to throw them under the bus - those voters will just vote for the person actually running them over.
Either democrats become as fascist as the Republicans, or they break through to those reactionary voters by proving that they’re willing to break some billionare kneecaps and make life better for everyone, not just the most visibly impoverished.
Democrats won’t, though. They’ll fight tooth and nail against the popular energy in their own base in order to keep their tenuous relationship with donors like Ackmann, and that will guarantee their loss.
And when you ask them what performative outrage that is, their answer is generally less “They made minor economic concessions to the working class!” and more “They acknowledged that BROWN people and TRANS people have RIGHTS”
I think a big issue is people expect democrats to enact the thing’s they promise to enact and then they don’t. And there’s insane coping and denial used to justify it instead of allowing real critique.
Biden did student loan forgiveness,
Biden tried, no loans were forgiven, some loans were forced to be more ethical, but nobody was freed from the debt.
So that isn’t seen as a win by a lot of people who wanted loan forgiveness and got a half assed attempt that didn’t help.
Hell, he said he would forgive all student loans and make college free. Lol
He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go “I guess, it’s a bit better than Republicans!”
Again, this isn’t really as true as I wish it was.
They put money into green energy corporations that hoard it offshore like other corps.
And Biden literally fought against unions while in office.
Democratic voters suck ass at rallying behind any cause, because the base is filled with “well actually…!” people, that demand 100% problem completion on day one, otherwise they are not impressed.
I try really really hard to not be contrarian about this shit, but Democrats aren’t making partial progress on anything, they are failing to make positive meaningful change for working class people at the expense of the rich, which is a requirement for fixing wealth inequality, which is the source of the vast majority of economic and societal issues. Until Democrats are willing to force their rich owners to make concessions they will not be capable of supporting these kinds of policies.
Also blaming voters for the outcome of an election is not valid, it’s up to politicians to provide something worth voting for and being capable of communicating those policies to their target voters.
Meanwhile, Republican voters will literarily vote for a rapist because they see the bigger picture.
Republicans vote for strongmen because their religious upbringing makes them subservient to anyone who can imitate the way their pastor made them feel.
It’s partly that, but it’s also that doing what Democrats want never seems to get the turnout that it should.
Biden did student loan forgiveness, which should have given him all the college votes, yet people shurg and go “Well yea! About time!”
He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go “I guess, it’s a bit better than Republicans!”
Democratic voters suck ass at rallying behind any cause, because the base is filled with “well actually…!” people, that demand 100% problem completion on day one, otherwise they are not impressed.
And even if he solved every problem ever, they’d say, “Well yea, he should fix them… He caused most of them!”
Meanwhile, Republican voters will literarily vote for a rapist because they see the bigger picture. For as stupid as they are, they understand you have to be IN POWER to do anything.
Twirling your thumb in your asshole pining about raising taxes and fist past the post and equality for all and protecting minorities is a colossal waste of time if you don’t VOTE.
He dithered and only reluctantly did this. And then when he did, he did it in a way that a corrupt SCOTUS could overrule. There were other paths he could have taken, but he chose the least-confrontational approach and ultimately the court negated most of his efforts. His fault or not, very few people actually ended up getting their loans forgiven. If he failed to consider a hostile SCOTUS in his plans, then that is a strategic failure on his part.
His infrastructure bills are currently being torn to pieces as they were slow to actually spend their money. They were mired in everything bagel liberalism. A thousand requirements for dollar spent meant to solve every social ill under the Sun. But regardless, these bills didn’t directly help individuals. They may be necessary to curb the rise of China, but that’s not something that affects people’s lives directly. Unionization? Biden was unable to stem the decline in union numbers, and he himself chose to be a strikebreaker.
I’m gonna gut check this, because I remember him trying couple of times to work out student debt relief. Also, what other steps would you have taken to get student debt relief/forgiveness pushed though? The only step I can think of is after the “president is a king” SCOTUS ruling he could have just canceled them and told everyone to fuck off, but using those powers was clearly something that he didn’t morally agree with.
He picked the weakest method to start with, added many delays and means testing, then after being told no by Supreme Court just changed to going through the backlog of those who should have already been forgiven and called it him fulfilling his campaign promises.
Then on top of that allowed gop to force them to restart.
Exactly. And ultimately, voters don’t want to hear excuses. They don’t expect perfection, but they do expect some results. Republicans, even with limited majorities, always manage to achieve at least some of what they would call progress. Democrats OTOH just fine endless excuses. At some point, you’re either incompetent or admitting to your voters that you were lying to them - promising them something you would never be able to deliver.
They left a lot of options on the table and then let the clock run out on them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2024/12/20/biden-student-loan-forgiveness-relief-plan-scrapped/77105533007/
The other thing I’ve noticed with Democrats (actually pretty much any group left of the Republicans) is that they’ll splinter off into a dozen different groups at the drop of a hat and all infight with each other harder than they’ll fight their actual opponents.
The hard right is so effective IMO because they’ll glom together with people they don’t 100% agree with to push things in the general direction they want before they start arguing about the details.
But you don’t understand! Kamala was actually saying she would be personally killing Palestinian children with her bare hands or something! Clearly we should just stay home! - idiots
If your vote is guaranteed it’s not worth anything
In a perfect system yes. Until then, let’s enjoy the show. eats popcorn
If the plan is to tear it all down and build the perfect system, I’m down. I’ll subscribe to that newsletter.
Eh. I get what you’re saying, but so much of the disillusionment from the potential dem base is coming from their constant promises and constantly arriving at the obvious conclusion decades late and then acting like they’re the most progressive politician in human history. While in reality it’s a half step toward the policies we should’ve enacted forty years ago.
It’s not that people are like “so what.” It’s the deep seeded knowledge in all of us that the party will try to throw us crumbs and claim like they’ve always been on our side and are the most righteous policy makers that are saving us, when in reality they’re walking hand in hand with people that are pushing us to absolute limit of barely acceptable and then dangling what they’ve known they should’ve done forever ago in front of us when we’re finally at our breaking point.
They don’t care about us. They’re not beholden to us, and it shows. They’re beholden to money and are performatively throwing us scraps when they have an opponent so far right that it’s literally the threat of fascism. And they are very much responsible for the continued rightward march of the entire country.
You’re just proving what the guy you responded to said.
Under democrats we got gay marriage, the repeal of don’t ask don’t tell, the affordable care act, net neutrality, other stuff I can’t think of at the moment, and instead of accepting slow progress the response is “you should have done that 40 years ago, I’m going to stay home because you’re not moving fast enough for me.”
On the other hand, republicans kept voting every fucking chance they had and after 50 years they got Roe overturned because those scraps add up eventually.
No gay marriage was the courts, and now may end up being removed like Roe v Wade.
By actually doing a long term plan and doing absolutely anything needed to get it done.
With dems we get half solutions, like ACA.
And who was it that appointed those judges?
So steps towards a goal from republicans are part of a long term plan to what they need, but from Democrats they’re half assed? Come on man. We were never going to get socialized medicine in one step.
The point here is that under Democrats there is progress. Would it be nice if it happened faster? Hell yes. But right now we’re racing backwards, and that sure as hell isn’t going to get us anywhere good unless you’re an accelerationist.
GOP after dems thought they’d play nice or by the rules.
No the point is the dems refuse to long term plan or plan at all for when in power. That’s the issue.
Republican voters say the exact same things about Republican politicians.
They constantly talk about how conservative shitbags that waffled on this one thing are RINOs.
They make up conspiracies where Democrats are stopping their preferred solution even when Republicans control every branch of government.
They just have the votes.
It’s not understanding, it’s blind faith.
Please, talk to some ordinary Americans sometime. Some of the real, salt-of-the-earth types who regularly and reliably vote, and who make up the majority of the country.
You know, morons.
“The Dems aren’t going left enough fast enough!” is not generally the refrain, even from those who do vote Dem.
Of course not, that’s some commie shit.
The refrain is more like, “the dems don’t actually want to help us, they’re just distracting us with performative outrage”
And when you ask them what performative outrage that is, their answer is generally less “They made minor economic concessions to the working class!” and more “They acknowledged that BROWN people and TRANS people have RIGHTS”
It’s actually, “the economic changes they made have no impact on me and instead seem targeted at minorities”
Chalk it up to a half-century of reactionary “welfare queen” propaganda, the truth is that democrats aren’t addressing the grievances of the working class and the Republicans are. Those grievances dont just go away if you stop talking about brown and trans people. Even if you’re willing to throw them under the bus - those voters will just vote for the person actually running them over.
Either democrats become as fascist as the Republicans, or they break through to those reactionary voters by proving that they’re willing to break some billionare kneecaps and make life better for everyone, not just the most visibly impoverished.
Democrats won’t, though. They’ll fight tooth and nail against the popular energy in their own base in order to keep their tenuous relationship with donors like Ackmann, and that will guarantee their loss.
And when you ask them what performative outrage that is, their answer is generally less “They made minor economic concessions to the working class!” and more “They acknowledged that BROWN people and TRANS people have RIGHTS”
I think a big issue is people expect democrats to enact the thing’s they promise to enact and then they don’t. And there’s insane coping and denial used to justify it instead of allowing real critique.
Biden tried, no loans were forgiven, some loans were forced to be more ethical, but nobody was freed from the debt.
So that isn’t seen as a win by a lot of people who wanted loan forgiveness and got a half assed attempt that didn’t help.
Hell, he said he would forgive all student loans and make college free. Lol
Again, this isn’t really as true as I wish it was.
They put money into green energy corporations that hoard it offshore like other corps.
And Biden literally fought against unions while in office.
I try really really hard to not be contrarian about this shit, but Democrats aren’t making partial progress on anything, they are failing to make positive meaningful change for working class people at the expense of the rich, which is a requirement for fixing wealth inequality, which is the source of the vast majority of economic and societal issues. Until Democrats are willing to force their rich owners to make concessions they will not be capable of supporting these kinds of policies.
Also blaming voters for the outcome of an election is not valid, it’s up to politicians to provide something worth voting for and being capable of communicating those policies to their target voters.
Republicans vote for strongmen because their religious upbringing makes them subservient to anyone who can imitate the way their pastor made them feel.
Factually untrue. My loans got forgiven.