The worst and most stupid bit is this:
Speaking to crowds on Wednesday, vice president JD Vance said US allies are “suffering from this, frankly, more than we are.”
He claimed this was because they had “focused on a lot of green energy scams and they’re hurting a lot more than we are.”
Vance continued:"As much as we’ve got to focus on getting these gas prices down, the reality is overseas they’re feeling it far worse than we did because we’ve taken the steps to protect our energy economy.
In Spain, for example, electricity prices remain low thanks to renewable energy. This guy is stupid.
He is not stupid. He is deliberately deceiving his voters.
Why not both?
I kind of suspect this is the entire point of this conflict. The US is not immune to global oil supply disruptions, but we are a net exporter now, while China relies very heavily on foreign imports. I would not be at all surprised if this was a way to put the hurt on China and the rest of the world, while blaming Iran for it. Of course Epstein distraction too, but not only that.
China will not be impacted that much as you think. China is much more oil independent than before. Unlike the US, China invests heavily in green energy and nuclear energy. The only country that is behind in all of this, it’s the US.
Yup because that’s the bar we want set.
Other countries suffer more than us. Great job /s
why would this be good
and why would green energy lead to this result
Ironically investing in renewable energy and EVs is how Europe can increase its energy independence. It’s not like they can pump that oil from their ground.
I imagine this war will speed up this conversion even more.
One of the biggest advantages to EVs is that they can can get their power from anywhere. And even if the current power generation is from fossil fuels, as that changes so does the overall carbon “usage” of the vehicles.
The difference is also striking when you just look at energy conversion from the fuel source in the vehicle. That EV is around 85% efficient overall at turning that electricity from the wall to movement. For a gas car, you’re looking at between 12-30% of the energy in the fuel tank being converted.
The main difference is that a modern battery has an energy density of about 0.7 MJ/kg or 700 kJ/kg, whereas gasoline has an energy density of about 45.7 MJ/kg. So, you need to pack in a lot more batteries to allow an electric car to go a meaningful distance. And, you’re hauling around all that extra weight all the time, even when the batteries are nearly empty.
The weight of the fuel tank is dwarfed by the weight of the engine, which can go from 100 (petrol kei car) to 300 (diesel) kg. The battery packs on modern EVs are still heavier, usually in the 200 - 400 kg range, but the difference isn’t as stark as fuel density alone might suggest.
Apparently an average fuel tank can hold somewhere between 40 and 80 litres. So, that’s up to (0.75 * 80 = 60) 60 kg of fuel, which can supply 2.74 GJ of energy. If you wanted 2.74 GJ of batteries in your car, it would weigh about 4000 kg. That’s double the weight of an F150, or basically the weight of a F350, engine, fuel tank, wheels, etc. included.
Now, of course, nobody puts that much battery capacity into a car or truck.
The point is, it’s not an apples to oranges comparison when you talk about the energy efficiency of an EV vs. a ICE car. ICE cars are inefficient, but carry around a very energy dense fuel source and can go hundreds, sometimes thousands of km without needing to stop. EVs have much more efficient engines, but have to drag around really heavy batteries that aren’t very energy dense. Their range is very constrained because if you wanted to match the range of an ICE car you’d have to almost double the weight of the car in batteries alone.
Personally, I like mass transit and bikes. But, if I had to own a car I’d get an electric one. Still, I know that the major drawback to electric cars is that battery energy density sucks compared to gasoline.
The point is, it’s not an apples to oranges comparison when you talk about the energy efficiency of an EV vs. a ICE car.
Energy efficiency does matter because even if you are burning diesel to generate electricity, you can make power stations a lot more efficient than car engines. So shifting from ICE cars to EVs would reduce fuel use even in the absence of green electricity.
ICE cars are inefficient, but carry around a very energy dense fuel source and can go hundreds, sometimes thousands of km without needing to stop. EVs have much more efficient engines, but have to drag around really heavy batteries that aren’t very energy dense.
This is true, but like I said, the difference isn’t huge. An ICE car’s fuel + engine would be in the 100 - 400kg range, while an EV’s batteries + motor would be in the 200 - 500kg range. An additional 10% or so of weight is bad, but is outweighed by the at least fourfold increase in efficiency.
60 kg of fuel, which can supply 2.74 GJ of energy
‘Contain’, not ‘can supply’ 2.74 GJ of energy. At 20% efficiency, you’d need a 800kg battery to match.
Exactly this. Thanks for mentioning it, i was listing it for exactly that reason, but I guess most people probably still think the only benefit is being environment friendly when it is also let to energy independence.
This is great video explaining common misconceptions: https://youtu.be/KtQ9nt2ZeGM
It’s not ironic at all.
This is what I’ve been saying as well. For ages now. However I was listening to pre election political debate with parties on TV and everybody just kept talking about oil, oil and oil. Nobody even mentioned alternatives or anything else at all. And we even have a prime minister coming straight from electric energy distributor. So I’m not putting too much fate here.
Why are they allies when spoken to and treated like this?
This is a great question that I’m kinda raging about.
I’m Australian. Our fuel prices have increased by almost 50%. Inflation for this year is projected to be 5%.
This is a ridiculous, unnecessary war, serving the interests of a despot we have had no business in supporting.
I imagine that our Prime Minister would say, we were USA allies for 100 years before Trump, and will be for 100 years after he’s gone. It’s true that our alliance runs deep. The current AUKUS agreement concerns building submarines in partnership over several decades.
However, I’m peeved that our Prime Minister is tip toeing around avoiding saying anything mean about the pedo in chief. Trump has thrown us all under the bus for his own reasons, and absolutely deserves to be called out.
When Iran is more likely to keep its word than America, it is very frustrating to see our government keep pretending we are allies and that all is well.
Thanks for sharing your point of view. What a mess! But that’s a good point about the history of nations, others also mentioning similar sentiments.
FTFY:
Why are they still allies when spoken to and treated like this?
They’re US allies, and they know Trump is an old, increasingly demented man sinking his entire political party.
Believe it or not there was a time before Trump.
Sure, but Trump isn’t the problem. It’s the 30 or so percent of your country that creates Trumps and the other 70% too cowardly to throw a punch.
And some day not too long from now, there will be a time after Trump. He has an insane amount of health conditions, and he’s the least popular president in living memory right now.
The question is if that will actually make a difference for the allies. They have shown how unstable they are, and that they are one bad president away from causing chaos for the whole fucking world. I’d hope there will have to be fundamental changes before that sentiment changes.
Ey, go ally yourself, pal, arite?
America has few allies, if any. It’s more mutually agreed belligerent détentes…
To him they are not allies his allies are on the Bored of Peace.
Fear.
UK - petrol prices are rising.
Electricity prices are falling because most of our energy is from renewables and british/european gas.
Sucks for me because my car is a petrol one. My wife’s is electric and it costs about £4 for her to charge up overnight and that gets her about 250-280 miles of range (£0.01 per mile).
My car costs £55 to fill up for 400 miles per range (£0.13 per mile).
Although my car is cheaper
Edit - changed currency symbol…realise 0.01p isnt the same as 1p…
You should be ok with the fact that you need a car to live. You shouldn’t live where this is the case.
If 15 minute cities ever become a reality and i can walk to work/the shops/doctors/pub etc then I’ll glady give up the car.
That isn’t the case and I’d rather not move house thanks
What car does she have? Mines costing about 2p/mile in summer and a whopping 2.9p/mile in winter
A mini.
I might have the sums wrong, but we are on the octopus EV tariff so electricity is dirt cheap overnight.
Also 0.01p is 1p. Should have put the pound sign instead lol
But yeah, its insane how cheap it is.
The only kicker is her car costs £100 a month in payments more than mine.
It’s interesting seeing how mine, ionic 5, compares to others in real life. Only reason I got mine was is was one of the few cars somebody could sit behind me, with seat front seat Ben comfortable for driving.
I’ve got the first service 40k miles soon, compared to my wife’s at 10-12k, but realistically 6k for the oil, stupid HDi diesel engine
He does a North Korea.
TIL US imports 97% of crude oil that Canada produces which is 60% of all US crude oil imports.
That has been a long running problem for Canada. It has the raw crude, but not the refining capacity. If you’re just a resource extraction location, then you’re no better than a colony; that’s why Trump treats Canada the way he does.
“We created an unnecessary serious problem, but it causes more grief for you than for us! So why don’t you come help us fix it (at our direction of course).”
Gee, can’t guess why that might get some allies p.o.'d…
Allies? I though we made it clear that the us has no allies in this war. Nobody want ww3 only to distract the brainwashed population of an awful pedophile from a list that he will do anything to hide it. At this point they are alone with the mess, deal with it.
Oh, we’re just getting started.
Oil / Gas is a global commodity, shipped around the world on tankers. If prices are higher in France, someone will take cheaper oil/gas from the US and ship it to France where they can make more money.
In the short term, maybe the US suffers less. But, in the longer term prices well even out as people will sell wherever they can get the highest profits.
Countries with higher gas taxes are going to have higher prices than the US.
US oil export terminals are operating near 100% capacity. The US can’t physically export more than they’re doing already. I think that’s the main reason for the WTI and Brent gap.
I don’t even think we are suffering more. Like my fuel prices have gone up by 10p/litre. I’m seeing Americans pay over $100 to fill their tanks, I paid £60 today, our national debt isn’t sitting at 20 odd Trillion and our stock market didn’t just lose over $1T. Like everything else with these clowns, the truth is the opposite of what they say it is.
The US has allies??
trump has, which is mostly PUTIN AND MSB.
Not after this we won’t.
US does not have allies. US & Osreal created the Iran war, US can clean up the mess.
