acargitz

You’re wrong. Source: I’m middle class. Not American.

Talking about Trump does not mean talking about the election. Talking about Trump is talking about the US President.

The middle class is so far gone in the US that people like you have difficulty remembering what it looks like.

You should make this comment in a thread about Israel and Palestine vs in an article about Trump.

If this was /c/news you’d be right and I should not bother with this kind of comment, because then it would be about looking at this from the point of view of US politics. This is /c/world news. Trump is not a candidate that won your election, Trump is the sitting US president. Like, listen, if Trudeau says something stupid about Palestine, it would be ridiculous for a bunch of Canadians to brigade the thread and make it about how strategic NDP voters spoiled the last Canadian election. You would be complaining and you’d be right. If we were to go do that over at /c/canada, we’d be right to tell you off if you complain, but here in /c/world, you’d be right.

It’s not making it about Trump to discuss Trump in an article about Trump.

I didn’t say don’t make it about Trump. I said stop whining about your last election. We don’t care any more, it’s tired, and it’s stupid and I don’t fucking want to hear about how mad you are at Jill Stein or Kamala any more. If you want to whine about other Americans, go to /c/news and knock yourself out.

That said its not our fault Israel is a clusterfuck. It’s a clusterfuck because of Palestinians and Israelis. Furthermore before it was Israel it was a British territory.

That’s where you’re wrong, yank. It is your fault. Your country has been enabling the Israelis for the last 5 decades. They would not be able to do shit if you didn’t sell hand them over the weapons you do, if you didn’t play their big brother lawyer at every single fucking UN institution, vetoing every single fucking condemnation for every single fucking crime that they do. They wouldn’t be half as brazen if you were not doing everything possible to cover their asses at every single fucking opportunity you get. The Israelis are the primary culprit here, but the US is the reason why Israel keeps acting with complete fucking immunity and overwhelming power.

(“you” == your country, not you personally)

The US is to schizophrenic and too morally weak to rely on to save anything. Save yourself or drown.

We agree on that one.

The US President, yes. You have to understand that internationally, at this point, we just see him as just that: The US President. Your elections are your internal issue and we don’t need to be expending all our energy psychoanalyzing your electoral system. As not-an-american, I don’t give a damn about how mad you are at your fellow citizens who might or might not have stayed home at election day or voted in a way that you think was stupid. Not every fucking world event needs to be understood from the perspective of the role of Jill Fucking Stein as a spoiler candidate.

EDIT: Rule number 1 says “[…] Not United States Internal News […]”. This applies to posts, but I think after a certain point, overtly brigading every fucking world event thread with the internal US perspective kind of beats the point.

Americans making this about Trump vs Kamala is getting really really annoying. I mean, we get it, you are pissed off at each other. We’ve read the same arguments dozens of times already, and at this point it is getting extremely tired. It sucks the oxygen out of every conversation. Is this what the discourse is going to be around Palestine and Israel the next four years?