• sentinel@lemmitor.com
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    13 hours ago

    I know reading context isn’t easy for Americans so let me, a foreigner, explain it to you.

    That document was written about 10 years after the Americans launched an armed insurrection against their government so they could pay less taxes and due to a grievance about parliamentary representation. In this context when they write about a well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a “free State,” they actually imply that the security guarantee is against a tyrannical state of which they had recently been at war with. They understood that the free state (for white landlords) was precarious and could change so they believed that the hedge against that was local participatory militias. To note here is a “well regulated militia” in this era implies the adoption of military rank and file and internal regulations, not governmental imposed regulations on the existence of the militia or the weaponry itself.

    I know reading is very hard. I hope with practice you may someday be able to read and understand context. It takes a lot of effort to become literate. Good luck on your journey.

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      12 hours ago

      so they could pay less taxes and due to a grievance about parliamentary representation

      They did primarily because they wanted to expand their settler colonies further into native lands while the British government had tried restricting settler expansion.

      The “free state” was never about preventing oppression of the citizens or launching an insurrection against the state. I don’t know where this bizzare view comes from, since the constitution literally defines treason against the state to be punishable by death.

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      12 hours ago

      In this context when they write about a well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a “free State,” they actually imply that the security guarantee is against a tyrannical state of which they had recently been at war with.

      No, it doesn’t. Read Article 8, as it describes what the militia’s purpose is. At the time “the people” meant “the states”, as each state was to be secure in it’s own abilities and authorities to manage it’s militias. The purpose was to put down insurrections and slave revolts.

      Remember, also, that to be “in the militia”, you were also reporting for regular muster and inspections. By the government.

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        10 hours ago

        Considering there are only 7 articles to the constitution I assume you mean Article 1 Section 8 which defines the ability of the federal government to call forth a militia but does not itself impose any substantive limits on the militias beyond that? Is that the article you are referring to? Maybe you should re-read it. Well regulated language is conceptually distinct from congress’s power defined in A1 § 8 to organize and discipline a militia once its activated. The text also imposes no federal prohibition on state or unorganized militias from setting membership or arms. If it isn’t prohibited by the language of the document, it is allowed.

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          10 hours ago

          Yes, sorry… the militia clause, as its known

          The purpose of the militia is to put down insurrection, not to engage in it.

          The word “regulated” has had only one actual meaning… the same as it means to regulate interstate commerce.

          And only a couple of years later, the militia acts passed.

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        11 hours ago

        At the time “the people” meant “the states”

        Please take a government class before continuing with your understanding of the Constitution

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          10 hours ago

          Please read why the 14th amendment extended the bill of rights to apply to people…

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            10 hours ago

            That’s not what the 14th amendment does

            The 14th provides birthright citizenship, outlines that states won’t imprison people without due process, covers congressional proportionality, and makes insurrection/treason cause for not being eligible for office

            Seriously, take a constitutionality class, you need it

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              10 hours ago

              I pray you actually read what people point you too:

              No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

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                10 hours ago

                That explicitly states that the States cannot punish people without due process, it does not change that the constitution has always applied to individuals

                You’re looking at an amendment that’s targeting the end of slavery and incorrectly applying it to all people