Boomers still think fast-food jobs are part-time things that teenagers do for some pocket change. They literally do not grasp the idea that there are adults working there to pay rent and buy food.
Every food service place in my area fired their under-18 staff. Apparently it was a manager fad to declare minors “too much trouble” and so the only high schoolers I see are bagging groceries or camp counselors for little kids. My kids are 15 and want to start working but the best job in town that allows them is serving dinner and doing laundry at the fancy retirement community.
look can we stop with the boomer crap? that is a myth and disproved so many times. lets work together instead of insulting whole generations of people we don’t know
It’s not a myth. If it wasn’t so disgustingly true across the board I’d be in agreement. Class war over generational and all that, but I’ll also call out the systems and people that are actively (STILL) shitting all over progress. Their generation is at fault in large part to why we’re so utterly fucked and continue to be (see Reagan). The majority of our gov is run by geriatric fucks that refuse to align with their constituents and cling on to their positions until they’re literally in wheel chairs. Those are fucking boomers. They’re in charge still, and they’re the ones holding the reins on voting in any iota of progress in any number of categories, one being minimum wage. Fuck them.
Its a myth. but hey, lets not facts get in the way of anything. y know, like individual circumstances, actual ages of the people in charge running the government and tech companies, etc.
if you believe the myth, then you’ve been led around by the nose by big tech. y know the the predominately gen x’ers who run the tech world.
BTW I’m a gen xer. born in 68. know more about tech than most millennials( though probably less than many here of any age) and less about cars than most gen x’ers. Know what that says? Means I spent my time differently than others in my generation, same as every generation. Stop with the myth.
Yes, generalizations are usually bad, and there are exceptions to literally any group. Doesn’t mean it’s a myth. The term wouldn’t exist if it was a myth, and wouldn’t be so widely used if there wasn’t a large amount of truth attached to it. I’m also not discrediting the issues we have with corpo bullshit. Thats obviously it’s own issue, but I will point out that part of the reason corp interests are in our politics at all is again because of the same group voting in the ability for lobbying by those corps.
If a majority of boomers think Thing1, but you are a boomer who thinks Thing2 instead, you are not disproving a myth, you’re being an outlier. If you were to pick a random boomer off the street, there’s a very good chance that he thinks Thing1 instead of Thing2. So “boomers think Thing1” is a perfectly valid (if a bit casual) statment that adequately represents the underlying statistical facts of the situation.
It can be frustrating as a Thing2 boomer, but that’s just how it is. The world thinks Amercans are hateful, disgusting ghoulish greedy misanthopists, and it feels bad to hear that as an American who didn’t vote for Trump, but I accept the logic behind the generalization.
You should look into the Pew Charitable Trust paper about why they are abandoning generational studies. In short they are inaccurate and wrong for every generation except one. Want to guess which generation bucks the trends?
Why should a full-time employer be permitted to pay an employee less than it costs to merely survive? It’s like you WANT to live in a culture where humans are exploited and thrown away when they break.
Edit: NVM, I see from the rest of the thread that you are not participating in good faith, and your responses will be blocked from reaching me.
Fulltime employment is not consistently defined across the board. Both of you may be right depending on which country or state you live in. Generally, in the US, full time employment is considered 40hrs of work per week, and has nothing to do with hourly or salary pay.
Fulltime is typically defined as 40 hours a week max, but the threshold is lower for definitions like the ACA, you can be eligible as low as 30, and sometimes employers have to make you eligible as high as 36, it’s complicated.
Personally, I don’t mind doing an reasonable amount of work - it can be cathartic like exercise or give a sense of purpose. The problem is, the employers want people to be like hamsters on a wheel, driven to exhaustion and then disposed of for the next rodent to be worked to death.
Workers are being abused - ghost jobs, inconsiderate scheduling, impossible requirements, no overtime pay, manipulation, and so forth has corroded the social contract. At some point, there is just no point in working.
I belong there, as would many other people, if society was willing to treat us fairly.
I agree. I wasn’t trying to shit on the job itself, but point out how fast food workers are treated. If fast food workers were treated like human beings, i bet people would love to work there.
Maybe if we had UBI or something, which is why the powers that be are so against it, because being homeless and hungry are powerful motivators to put up with more bullshit.
The root cause of the problem IS the mega-corp fast food chain that sells us expensive shitty unhealthy food and pays slave wages to its labor force that it treats like annoying obstacles and constantly threatening to automate away. They take away jobs from real restaurants too, until they shut down, and all you have left is fucking McDonald’s.
Dismissing that people work there out of desperation is out of touch, but to disagree with “let fastfood restaurants go bankrupt” is where the REAL BIG brains are at.
Why can’t we just have a discussion without insults. These corporations are the problem, convincing them to pay you more until they automate you away is not a solution, the solution IS for them to be bankrupt.
I also don’t eat there, and think it’s morally outrageous to give them any profit that helps them achieve the distopian future they’re working so hard towards.
Why can’t we just have a discussion without insults
Let’s be honest, “I don’t eat fast food so they should be allowed to pay slave wages” isn’t really a compelling discussion with nuanced talking points.
Why is it on the shoulders of the desperate to not take any job they can get, and on the shoulders of the desperate to not get whatever food they can afford and have time for in between their 3 jobs?
You know what would also kill the business model of “under pay and over work staff for low quality results then just replace them”? Laws preventing such behavior.
But they didn’t say that, they said the opposite… They’re saying they’d rather not support this awful business, and would rather watch it die so it can be replaced with real jobs that people can live off of. That’s how I interpreted it anyway.
would rather watch it die so it can be replaced with real jobs that people can live off of
A faster way to do that: minimum wage laws that require people are paid a wage they can live off of.
The’ve tried the whole “let’s not pass laws to increase minimum wage, people will just not take jobs that don’t pay enough” for decades. Jobs still exist that pay below poverty (minimum wage).
If we agree that what they are doing is garbage and shouldn’t be able to exist, why are they arguing against doing something that would prevent it from existing?
Brother if you’re ever in the UK I’d love to link up and see if you’re so quick to talk to people like shit IRL, cause you’ll quickly get your shit rocked.
Boomers still think fast-food jobs are part-time things that teenagers do for some pocket change. They literally do not grasp the idea that there are adults working there to pay rent and buy food.
Every food service place in my area fired their under-18 staff. Apparently it was a manager fad to declare minors “too much trouble” and so the only high schoolers I see are bagging groceries or camp counselors for little kids. My kids are 15 and want to start working but the best job in town that allows them is serving dinner and doing laundry at the fancy retirement community.
I cannot remember the last time I saw a high schooler working at a fast food joint.
Don’t worry. With Republicans working hard to repeal child labor laws, you should see more in fast food and also in the mines soon!
They dont realize that teenagers dont even have jobs anymore mostly
look can we stop with the boomer crap? that is a myth and disproved so many times. lets work together instead of insulting whole generations of people we don’t know
It’s not a myth. If it wasn’t so disgustingly true across the board I’d be in agreement. Class war over generational and all that, but I’ll also call out the systems and people that are actively (STILL) shitting all over progress. Their generation is at fault in large part to why we’re so utterly fucked and continue to be (see Reagan). The majority of our gov is run by geriatric fucks that refuse to align with their constituents and cling on to their positions until they’re literally in wheel chairs. Those are fucking boomers. They’re in charge still, and they’re the ones holding the reins on voting in any iota of progress in any number of categories, one being minimum wage. Fuck them.
Its a myth. but hey, lets not facts get in the way of anything. y know, like individual circumstances, actual ages of the people in charge running the government and tech companies, etc.
if you believe the myth, then you’ve been led around by the nose by big tech. y know the the predominately gen x’ers who run the tech world.
BTW I’m a gen xer. born in 68. know more about tech than most millennials( though probably less than many here of any age) and less about cars than most gen x’ers. Know what that says? Means I spent my time differently than others in my generation, same as every generation. Stop with the myth.
Yes, generalizations are usually bad, and there are exceptions to literally any group. Doesn’t mean it’s a myth. The term wouldn’t exist if it was a myth, and wouldn’t be so widely used if there wasn’t a large amount of truth attached to it. I’m also not discrediting the issues we have with corpo bullshit. Thats obviously it’s own issue, but I will point out that part of the reason corp interests are in our politics at all is again because of the same group voting in the ability for lobbying by those corps.
If a majority of boomers think Thing1, but you are a boomer who thinks Thing2 instead, you are not disproving a myth, you’re being an outlier. If you were to pick a random boomer off the street, there’s a very good chance that he thinks Thing1 instead of Thing2. So “boomers think Thing1” is a perfectly valid (if a bit casual) statment that adequately represents the underlying statistical facts of the situation.
It can be frustrating as a Thing2 boomer, but that’s just how it is. The world thinks Amercans are hateful, disgusting ghoulish greedy misanthopists, and it feels bad to hear that as an American who didn’t vote for Trump, but I accept the logic behind the generalization.
So now you’re telling a guy who lived the experience that he is mistaken. Kid. Enough. You have no idea what you’re talking about, like, at all.
You enjoy your evening.
ok boomer
You should look into the Pew Charitable Trust paper about why they are abandoning generational studies. In short they are inaccurate and wrong for every generation except one. Want to guess which generation bucks the trends?
L+ratio
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Why should a full-time employer be permitted to pay an employee less than it costs to merely survive? It’s like you WANT to live in a culture where humans are exploited and thrown away when they break.
Edit: NVM, I see from the rest of the thread that you are not participating in good faith, and your responses will be blocked from reaching me.
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You sounds like you’ve never held a job before and these terms are brand new to you. You’re using them wrong.
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You still don’t realize how ignorant you come across
Hourly can be fulltime.
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No, you’re a fucking idiot.
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Fulltime employment is not consistently defined across the board. Both of you may be right depending on which country or state you live in. Generally, in the US, full time employment is considered 40hrs of work per week, and has nothing to do with hourly or salary pay.
You are wrong and have always been wrong. It is based on worked (scheduled hours) in a week. Above a threshold, and it is considered full-time.
I get paid by the hour, 50 years old. And the same job for 20 years. Full time.
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Fulltime is typically defined as 40 hours a week max, but the threshold is lower for definitions like the ACA, you can be eligible as low as 30, and sometimes employers have to make you eligible as high as 36, it’s complicated.
It’s not really complicated, it’s just that companies want to find (or make!) loopholes to shirk their responsibilities.
50 hrs ago week isn’t full time? Get fuckt
I’m hourly and make a good living wage, are you implying that hourly means you don’t work full time or should be entitled to a livable wage?
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The workers who are responsible for the continued function of society aren’t owed anything?
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I’m not Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates, I’m not the one stealing their surplus value. I’d be happy to help them take back what they’re owed though.
If you work 40 hours a week and paid hourly that is full time. You don’t have to be salary to be full time employee.
Just go away. We don’t want you here.
You’re either a troll or lack all empathy for others. Neither are anything to society.
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Damn. Look everyone, it’s a shit stain of a human
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How out of touch are you?
nobody works there because it’s their life dream. If they work there it’s because of some benefit like having some money vs no money.
who should be working there then? Like, someone has to. Who do you think belongs there?
Personally, I don’t mind doing an reasonable amount of work - it can be cathartic like exercise or give a sense of purpose. The problem is, the employers want people to be like hamsters on a wheel, driven to exhaustion and then disposed of for the next rodent to be worked to death.
Workers are being abused - ghost jobs, inconsiderate scheduling, impossible requirements, no overtime pay, manipulation, and so forth has corroded the social contract. At some point, there is just no point in working.
I belong there, as would many other people, if society was willing to treat us fairly.
I agree. I wasn’t trying to shit on the job itself, but point out how fast food workers are treated. If fast food workers were treated like human beings, i bet people would love to work there.
No, nobody has to. The problem of them under paying would solve itself if nobody was willing to work for them at those low wages.
Maybe if we had UBI or something, which is why the powers that be are so against it, because being homeless and hungry are powerful motivators to put up with more bullshit.
Collective action? Now that sounds like communism to me…
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If I don’t do something, than fuck everyone who does it, let 'em burn. Definitely big brain time.
The root cause of the problem IS the mega-corp fast food chain that sells us expensive shitty unhealthy food and pays slave wages to its labor force that it treats like annoying obstacles and constantly threatening to automate away. They take away jobs from real restaurants too, until they shut down, and all you have left is fucking McDonald’s.
Dismissing that people work there out of desperation is out of touch, but to disagree with “let fastfood restaurants go bankrupt” is where the REAL BIG brains are at.
Why can’t we just have a discussion without insults. These corporations are the problem, convincing them to pay you more until they automate you away is not a solution, the solution IS for them to be bankrupt.
I also don’t eat there, and think it’s morally outrageous to give them any profit that helps them achieve the distopian future they’re working so hard towards.
Let’s be honest, “I don’t eat fast food so they should be allowed to pay slave wages” isn’t really a compelling discussion with nuanced talking points.
Why is it on the shoulders of the desperate to not take any job they can get, and on the shoulders of the desperate to not get whatever food they can afford and have time for in between their 3 jobs?
You know what would also kill the business model of “under pay and over work staff for low quality results then just replace them”? Laws preventing such behavior.
But they didn’t say that, they said the opposite… They’re saying they’d rather not support this awful business, and would rather watch it die so it can be replaced with real jobs that people can live off of. That’s how I interpreted it anyway.
A faster way to do that: minimum wage laws that require people are paid a wage they can live off of.
The’ve tried the whole “let’s not pass laws to increase minimum wage, people will just not take jobs that don’t pay enough” for decades. Jobs still exist that pay below poverty (minimum wage).
If we agree that what they are doing is garbage and shouldn’t be able to exist, why are they arguing against doing something that would prevent it from existing?
Close. The issue is corporate socialism
there ya go. here’s a guy/gal who understands the issues.
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Brother if you’re ever in the UK I’d love to link up and see if you’re so quick to talk to people like shit IRL, cause you’ll quickly get your shit rocked.
HMU if you ever in Manchester.
It’s obvious from this thread that they get little to no irl interaction.
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Odd that in another thread you tell people to move to Russia, in a way indicating you don’t live there.
Little bitch 😂.
Why don’t you just enlist? I hear they’re looking for people who can’t think.
You seem really offended at the idea that “someone who works a job should be able to afford living” for some reason…
You’re right. I’ll quit my job tomorrow and apply to be the next Elon Musk. Give me 6 million in seed money now please.
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Yeah i will earn it, and more, at my Elon Musk job. Now gimme.
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Lmao. Look at this poor mfer unable to afford giving me 6 million in seed money so I can quit my burger job and be the next Elon Musk. What a loser.
Maybe he should quit his job and get a better paying one to afford my seed money, like normal people do.