A photograph of Trump administration official Mike Waltz’s phone shows him using an unofficial version of Signal designed to archive messages during a cabinet meeting.

Mike Waltz, who was until Thursday U.S. National Security Advisor, has inadvertently revealed he is using an obscure and unofficial version of Signal that is designed to archive messages, raising questions about what classification of information officials are discussing on the app and how that data is being secured, 404 Media has found.

On Thursday Reuters published a photograph of Waltz checking his mobile phone during a cabinet meeting held by Donald Trump.

The screen appears to show messages from various top level government officials, including JD Vance, Tulsi Gabbard, and Marco Rubio.

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    11 hours ago

    I’m just shocked he didn’t have a post-it note with his code written in blue pen in the other hand…

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    Yo this is a real interesting read but the title is straight clickbait that makes it seem like the gov’t is externally archiving signal messages for citizens.

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    Could it be that Mike was the insider that was leaking stuff to the media and this archiveable version of Signal is to be able to prove and/or keep Signal conversations that would otherwise be removed from the official app? I mean, just them using Signal is a violation of the Records Act, no, due to the ability to remove entire chats after a period of time? Everyone thinks he’s incompetent or dumb, but he may have added that reporter on purpose to expose their use of Signal in the first place and he’s using this unofficial version to save chats we would otherwise not have record of. If the insider info stops now, we’ll know why.

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      Laws don’t usually center around ability to do something but actually doing it. That is, using signal may be fine, turning on disappearing messages isn’t. But you can’t know. Most of our system is built on trust, assuming that people who got to that level, passed clearance, etc…are worthy of our trust. On the other hand, what’s even the alternative?

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    The “TM SGNL PIN” message is displayed on an unofficial — and less secure — version of Signal created by a company called TeleMessage, which makes clones of popular messaging apps, but enables the ability to archive messages

    https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-waltz-photographed-using-signal-messaging-app-during-cabinet-meeting-2025-5?op=1

    TeleMessage is an Israeli software company based in Petah Tikva, Israel. Founded in 1999 by Guy Levit and Gil Shapira, it provides secure enterprise messaging, mobile communications archiving and high-volume text messaging services.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeleMessage

    Let that sink in

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      https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007321231-Archiving-or-unarchiving-chats

      Am I just being dense or does stock Signal already have this feature?

      You can also export the entirety of your Signal chats and decrypt them on a computer with an open source tool.

      I also thought they were using Signal specifically to avoid FOIA, which requires government officials to archive their messages.

      So it is possible government officials are using disappearing messages in Signal (which is illegal for multiple reasons), which will give a reason to use a third party app, not that this specific app should be trusted in any way.

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        My understanding is that Archiving chats would be keeping a copy of these chats accessible elsewhere for archiving purposes and not directly related to the archiving feature you’ve mentioned.

        Signal does support chat backup which is close enough but its encrypted and its complicated to make one (for security reasons) and I am not sure its possible to view the encrypted chats without going through the process of restoring the backup.

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      Hello foreign intelligence agencies, would you like an easy way to intercept and read classified communications? Maybe just buy it off Mossad? JFC what is this clown show. Why are our intelligence officials even using off the shelf, or even modified, software solutions for communications? Shouldn’t we have some secure messaging app and protocols developed here?

      Am I missing something here or is it really this dumb?

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        They are going out of their way to use an Israeli platform to discuss top secret government business on. Seems pretty obvious why. They are taking instructions from Israel Russia!

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          I mean it’s probably both but I would bet my life that Trump is actually a Russian agent. You don’t grab a whole pile of classified documents and bring them to your home in a location secured worse than the door to a bedroom and not proceed to give those away.

          Now, direct involvement and level of control - idk but he must be “on their payroll” so to speak.

          Who knows they’re a whole den of corruption, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn some of Trump’s staff are selling state secrets.

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            Most of that shit went to Saudi Arabia for the 2 billion paid to Jared Kushner’s company years ago.

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          Isn’t Israel known for its tech firms making phone security bypass tech (I.E. NSO Group and their Pegasus SW?)

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      I don’t understand, signal is open source, why would they need to purchase an unofficial fork from a foreign company? Isn’t that an huge security issue?

      And what’s the point of using end to end encryption if the app has been hacked to send messages to a remote server anyway

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        Signal is lacking a certain feature “Archiving messages” . This company used Signal’s open source code to add this feature and offer the whole thing as a “Signal plus” product.

        Assuming best intentions, Waltz wanted Signal but also wanted the ability to archive messages so he opted for the software provided by this company instead of the original.

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      well that is how you become Israel’s and Russia’s bitch and sell your own country so they don’t reveal the dirt that they found about you

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    lol this guy can assemble into a whole war thunder forum on his own

    “send top secret government chats to a server in Israel?”

    YES / LATER

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    So these convos are backed up somewhere. Outside of government control. Great.

    No wonder they moved fast to block any investigation

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      It’s backed up to the Israeli software company that makes this unofficial version of Signal. Probably the only people it’s less safe with than the Russians.

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        i think mossad has work with russia in the past, and they would likely get thier hands on this, and russia can pass it on to iran who will leak it to Hamas,etc.

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      Noooo, it’s not that they’re guilty of anything… it’s to protect from the deep state and the radical left commiefascist"insertbuzzword"s! I’d put “hey look at the bunny” but these assholes aren’t even trying to distract anymore, it’s just plain and simple corrupt government running for their own best interests while throwing out half hearted stupid sound bites to appease the brain washed.

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    Super Secret MAGA Signal Archive App!

    Download MAGASecretsApp.exe at MAGASecretsApp. ru now!

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    Let your local magats know how you feel about being subjected to this shit show daily. Really let them know how you feel.

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    Jd Vance:

    I have conformation from my counterpart its turned off. He’ll be there.

    Oh boy! Here we go a crimin’ again! ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ

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    “We are currently clean on OPSEC.”

    “Only the best people.”

    These fucking clowns. I’ve lived through an awful lot of Gov’t by the Stupid…

    (Remember when we thought Bush the Younger was the dumbest president ever…??)

    But this freak show simply outdoes anything that came before. 🙄 🤡 🖕