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Since like half of the comments are saying this was racist can anyone explain how?
Genuinely what the fuck are you guys on about. I would understand if she was an ethnically Japanese leader/diplomat from Brazil or something but what. So obsessed with race that you forgot Japan is a country?
It’s a stupid deflection but it’s not racist. The thought process is pretty obvious ‘Why didn’t you tell Japan before the attack’ -> ‘To keep the element of surprise’ uhh Japan + Surprise attack -> ‘Who know’s better than Japan about the value of stealth for a surprise attack, like pearl harbor’.
He just doesn’t even have the capacity to coherently make the bad comparison. He also completely whiffed the cadence of the joke he was trying to make causing it to come out even weirder. It’s a brain in decline trying to fall in to patterns that it used to be able to somewhat execute on but is now just grasping at straws.
*thing bad, so anything negative about thing must be correct and must not be questioned. I hate lemmy sometimes.
Yeah people make fun of ww2 germany all the time and it’s totally fine
You disagree with his comment being racist? Well since you’re not with us, you’re against us! There’s no middle ground, no nuance and no discourse in this community!
I can’t tell if this is dementia or his regular poor taste and racism.
Yes.
Also yes!
With Donald you never have to choose.
Probably a mixture of all three, most people would be smart enough to keep that thought in their head.
I hate Trump. Fuck Trump.
However, out of all the disgusting and ghastly shit Trump has done and said, this one is not that bad. Poor taste, sure. Racist? Come on. Did you even read it? It was actually witty compared to his typical knuckle dragging bullshit.
A reporter asked Trump why he didn’t tell U.S. allies, including European and Asian countries, such as Japan, that he was planning joint military strikes with Israel on Iran.
“One thing, you don’t want to signal too much when we go in,” Trump said. “We went in very hard and we didn’t tell anyone about it because we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn’t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?”
This guy is a sex predator, pedo who is trying to be a dictator and is taking our democratic rights away. Let’s focus on that first. Don’t let this petty bullshit be the focus.
I’ll take my downvotes now.
Like half way through trumps first term I thought people would stop taking everything he says extremely literally but here we still are. People are out here thinking he’s so far gone that he literally thinks he was president during pearl harbor and that his counterpart was running Japan. He has dementia but come on, you have to encounter reality deeper than just reading headlines and jerking yourself off with them.
This is just how he talks and has talked. He just made a stupid comparison while trying to deflect a question.
I’m sorry but this is terrible diplomacy and diminishes America’s soft power on the world stage.
Yes we’re moving into a multipolar world where soft power matters less but narrative building is always relevant and rubbing your allies the wrong way is just terrible strategy from any vantage point.
Trump’s caused so much damage to Western credibity in so little time just by highlighting and widening fault lines at a records pace. This will create a vacuum that others will seek to occupy. This comment may not seem like much but it’s another little cut that will slowly bleed away America and the West’s standing in the world.
Has he really damaged Western credibility, or is he only damaging the USA’s credibility? I’ve not seen reports that Trump’s behaviour is impacting how others feel about Canada, France or Germany. Trump’s behaviour really only reflects on the global opinions of the USA, as other countries and their populations are generally intelligent enough to understand that he is only elected by one country; only represents one country; and is only the product of the population of one country.
Many Western countries follow along and act as cheerleaders for US foreign policy. Seven countries (including Canada, France and Germany) have already signed on to help secure the Strait of Hormuz which is only blocked because of yet another US misadventure.
A lot of these countries are small and in terms of global influence would be middle powers at best if not part of a Western bloc. Trump is slowly eroding the concept of a Western bloc so the idea of collective credibility or collective values is eroding with that.
Most of the rest of the world sees Western countries as vassals of the US and the question now is will they be able to assert their independence on the world stage or will they simply go along with the US as they often do.
Care to point to any reports that other nations are viewing those other Western countries poorly as a result of Trump’s actions?
Securing the Strait of Hormuz seems to be self-interested actions by those nations; an attempt to reduce the impact of higher oil prices on their own economies. It’s a far cry from the Western world following the USA into Iraq with boots on the ground 20-odd years ago.
Trump is eroding the idea of a USA-led Western bloc. Canada’s PM Carney is leading the charge to create new middle-power blocs to establish credibility outside of the USA’s influence. I’m yet to see reports that those measures are being viewed in a negative fashion by the rest of the world, but I’m happy to be corrected.
Yeah, no shit. That’s why I said all the negative stuff. Fucking relax.
Yeah but this anecdote betrays his shitty personality. At the end of the day he is an unapologetic child rapist first and foremost, and it’s hard to imagine what could surpass that depravity, but these little vignettes help paint the picture for people who have trouble believing the commander-in-chief is also the chomo-in-chief.
I guess he could always do worse and joke about Hiroshima…but I wont give more ideas…
Give it time. War aint over yet.
He does worse most times he opens his mouth. Calling a woman “piggy” to her face is considerably worse.
On the level of personal insults, I guess he could compare the PM to a gueixa or something, no guardrails :/
I personally think a Hiroshima reference to Japan’s PM is a worse faux pas than calling someone piggy… But, hey, everybody has differing levels of sensitivity i guess.
It wasn’t Hiroshima. He referenced Pearl Harbor.
They mentioned Hiroshima because the comment you replied to used it as a hypothetical.
Ah yes, much better.
Hiroshima reference?
Are you asking what Hiroshima is?
I agree that’s worse morally, but that not worse for the diplomatic relation between two of the worlds biggest economies.
Then maybe she shouldn’t have spent the last year sucking his cock.
THIS is true, anyone who cowardly placates him for their short term benefit deserves to get the full tramp treatment.
It’s damn both.
Well…she’s a huge fan of Trump so she deserves all she gets.
Both. He’s always been racist, but dementia removes what filters do exist.
He’s brought it up before in dealing with Japanese diplomats
He has dementia, this isn’t it though. This is his true self.
Dropping the mask.
Coming up with the analogy is just his regular poor taste and racism. Not realizing that it paints the US as the equivalent to the Japanese in WWII is his dementia.
Why not both.
Bro. The people coming to his defense is mind blowing. “That’s not what he meant!”, “He didn’t mean it in a racist way!” Shut the fuck up. He knows what he’s saying. He doesn’t care. The mental gymnastics his cult does for him is crazy. Just own up to it. He’s the racist pedophile Uncle who makes bad jokes at a family gathering that you wouldn’t leave your 10 year old with.
It is what it is.
I’m noticing more discourse on Lemmy. I’m not saying I want Lemmy to be a hive mind. But there’s clearly more and more comments seemingly just giving really “wrong side of history” takes.
Something something narcissist’s prayer.
It’s the same shit they repeated on the campaign trail god I got tired of being told “it’s all hyperbole” from people I know didn’t even know what the word meant
This is the funniest fucking thing he’s ever done.
To a prior PM, it would be in extremely bad taste. But this bitch is nakedly fascist.
Yeah am I bad for literally laughing out loud at this? unbelievable stuff
I died laughing! 😂 I like how silent the room just went after the 2 sec before people realized what he just said.
Btw the Japan Primeminister is also a Japanese MAGA so I don’t really give a f about her either. Let them swin in their own nationalist poop.
anyone want to share? I can’t see the joke.
“One thing, you don’t want to signal too much when we go in,” Trump said. “We went in very hard and we didn’t tell anyone about it because we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn’t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?”
Legitimately a good joke, probably not during a diplomatic meeting though.
It’s not offensive by Trump’s standards but it also isn’t really funny.
Lol, that shit is funny. Irrespective, the guy is fuckinh retarded and a plague on the world
What makes it funny? Seems like nowadays whatever is insulting is called funny
Different people have different senses of humor. It’s subjective.
Of course, so what makes it funny to you?
I never said it was funny.
From the article:
“One thing, you don’t want to signal too much when we go in,” Trump said. “We went in very hard and we didn’t tell anyone about it because we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn’t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?”
Why didn’t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?
Trump was what at that time? A middle aged nobody?
he was 5.
-5.
yes, my bad.
Nope, Trump is a very early boomer. He wasn’t born until After Pearl Harbor happened.
Are you sure he wasn’t 50 back then? I mean… look at him!
well I was wrong so maybe you’re right!
Trump was born in 1946. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941. The war he dodged with his “bone spurs” was Vietnam, not WWII.
big oof
It’s old man jokes like these that I understand. People clutching their pearls online while literally no one reacted the way this article says when they were in the room. Even the PM gave a visible smirk because she knows he’s an old senile moron that can be easily manipulated.
ITT: Lemmites Letting the mask slip
If this is what makes you clutch your pearls then you are going to audibly gasp at all the other shit Trump has said.
I mean, out of all the heinous fascistic shit Trump has done, this is probably among the least egregious. Plus as a dark comedy enjoyer, I can appreciate this on a “who the fuck starts a conversation like that; I just sat down” sort of level.
This is pretty harmless, especially by his standards.
I don’t see a problem laughing at this.
People can find it funny for several reasons, some may be laughing at the pure stupidity of comparing the two. I would say we have seen few countries Trump considers allies. And Russia, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia seem to be the only 3 re-occuring allies he seems to consider.
And Russia, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia
Which one of these is Israel?
Touche, I’m not sure I can tell the difference between Israel and Florida at the moment, Israel gets more benefits than Florida does though
And Argentina lmao
Stop making vertical territories. Just stop it. If it’s a long skinny shape on a map, it shouldn’t exist.
All countries should be hexagon shaped for mathematical elegance!
“Why didn’t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?””
A shame the Japanese rep couldn’t afford a jokeback like “you were a twinkle in the milkman’s eye at the time”.
I was curious about what the Japanese side’s take on Trump’s remark would be, so I found this news report from a Japanese outlet:
Try translating the comments by yourself. You’d find that most people are blaming the Japanese reporter who asked “why didn’t you notify us before attacking Iran.” They say that of course they wouldn’t tell us (Japanese) about a surprise attack beforehand and that this question is stupid and rude.
Personally though I think this remark is rude regardless of what questions were asked. Also I think that the question itself may be stupid but isn’t rude.
The question should have been phrased “why did you not form a Coalition before your attack on Iran” but that would have confused Trump.
Given the fact that he also wanted to approach China for support I think him actually attempting to get consensus would have been more chaotic than the current timeline.
There’s been enough blue on blue action as it is without trying to get nations who don’t really like each other to work together
I fucking hate him…
Does he not realize what he’s implying based on the ultimate fate of imperial Japan after they did the Pearl Harbor?
I guarantee you he does not.
Also, Germany (Japan’s biggest ally) was pissed when they heard about Japan’s attack, because they were hoping to conquer all of Europe before they even considered taking on America. The surprise attack was a surprise to Germany too. And not a welcome one.
And sure enough, America’s allies all balked when Trump begged them for help in securing the strait.
Only thing that bombed harder then that joke was pearl harbor.
People defending the Donvict with “He was joking” need to give up because he is terribly unfunny and lacks a healthy sense of humor.
I dunno, I can think of a couple things…
Like Dresden, or Nagasaki
Japan actually tried to coordinate a formal declaration of war to be submitted immediately before the attack commenced. But due to technical and logistical problems, the communique was not read by American diplomats until after the attack.
This is the part of this that is such a political faux pas. Japan does not consider Pearl Harbor a surprise attack, and their nationalist movement right now probably won’t be happy to have their favorite PM be the whipping boy of the US president. I won’t say Japan is right on this, but it’s just the difference in how this story is presented.
Good riddance, hopefully this creates an awful situation for her politically at home as she is pushed leftward or rightward in retaliation.
For all their strongman posturing, I feel the Japanese nationalists take whatever US rhetoric up their uncensored buttholes. They’re always belittling Chinese and Korean people but seem to scurry away into their caves whenever there is a conflict with the US.
STUNNED!
Ok, well, probably not that stunned…
Why? Seriously, why are they stunned? He was a crass, low class, racist thug well before the dementia hit. Why would anyone expect better?
Interesting that Trump seems to understand that we “did a pearl harbor” on Iran, but somehow still thinks that we are the “good guys”? He almost got self aware for a second there.
He doesn’t believe in good guys, he thinks everyone is just as evil as him so it makes his continuous assault on all limits of human decency OK in his mind.
He learned that from Putin. The difference is that Putin is well aware he’s the most evil.
Epstein was his best friend. And the horrific shit that happened in that island is so much worse than anybody seems to be willing to believe. But just raping kids, but torturing them to death as well, for a start.
Think of the number of the parasitic “elite” he saw there. Of course he believes everyone else is evil, too. As far as he is concerned, he saw the proof of it. In their world, that kind of horrid vile behavior is, in fact, normal.
Yup, this is why his accusations are always confessions. Projection is the psychological phenomenon where you refuse to see yourself as bad, so you justify your bad actions with “everyone does bad stuff like this, so it doesn’t make me bad to do them.” But when all of your interactions are colored by that “everyone does bad stuff like this” part, it means you project those bad intentions onto others and default to assuming they’re just as bad as you are. So when he’s accusing people of bad things, it is because he has projected those intentions onto them.
And Trump’s narcissism refuses to let him do any kind of soul-searching that may lead him to stop projecting. And thus, every accusation is an admission.
Most blatantly with his rambling about ‘Americans have to flush 3 times, 5 times’. I thought what the hell is wrong with the water pressure where he lives?
Then I read that he likely flushed evidence down the toilet. Of course. HE has a problem with destroying evidence in his toilet, so ‘Americans’ have problems with their toilet. I’m not even sure if he has the ability to differentiate between his problems and anybody elses.
you refuse to see yourself as bad, so you justify your bad actions with “everyone does bad stuff like this”
I’ve heard the neat phrase ‘reverse cargo cult’ in regard to such views. Applied to a group of people, though, as cults typically require.
Wow, gotta read that paper now:
The Reverse Cargo Cult metaphor explains why dictators tell their citizens lies that citizens know to be lies: a verifiable lie told by a politician changes citizens’ perceptions of politicians and reduces their willingness to replace them
People in some places are just convinced the rest of the world is just as bad — this is the context in which I’ve heard the term.
USians’ incessant belief that travelling to other countries is very unsafe is probably one example of this.
I mean, you can do a pre-emptive surprise strike against a foreign military and still be the “good guys”. It’s just that we aren’t the good guys when we did this pre-emptive military strike against a foreign military… Or grade school girls… Because our top military brass has been replaced by retards loyal to trump.
Name one good guy that did a “pre-emptive” (whatever that means in this context, because Iran for sure wouldn’t have attacked the US) strike against a foreign military.
Iran absolutely would. How haven’t you heard of the imminent threat of an attack?! It has been there for 47 years man!
Han-Solo
Everybody is the hero in their own story. Incidentally, this is something Maga do not understand; they honestly believe everyone else just wants them to fail, that we all know we’re wrong and trying to take them down, anyway. For them, we all actively chose evil.
But, my point is “good guy” is inherently subjective. But that means you cannot preemptively strike and not be the villain, as well.
There is no “good guy” in the theater of war, though; to be involved is to be as evil as everyone else there.
