Fuck you, Biden. You got us here. YOU did breathtaking damage to the republic, because you and the rest of the non-fascist politicians were so unforgivably out of touch that you lost the fucking republic. Please die and save us your bloviating idiocy.
Yes: the people who were so fucking sick of the status quo that they refused to vote do carry a large share of the blame here.
But the DNC is ABSOLUTELY guilty of perpetuating that caustic status quo in the face of clear public desire for change, because they were mostly too interested in the money machine they were a part of.
LOL, tell me you don’t understand how math & a two party FPtP electoral system works without telling me you don’t understand how math and a two party FPtP electoral system works.
I understand how it works perfectly. Parties that fight against war, genocide, and the rich don’t get elected because the two parties keep them off the ballot.
It’s always amazing to me that people blame the voters for the state of things, instead of blaming the people with the money, the power, and the platform, who explicitly went against what the voters said they wanted.
I do blame the people that decided to not vote, regardless of whatever silly reason they tell themselves to rationalize it. Choosing to do nothing is a choice & that choice elected a fascist.
I disagree with people that decided not to vote, but standing in line for 4 hours, in bad weather, just to have an option between two genocidal, child-killing parties that are gonna work lock-step into screwing over the working class? or for the chance to vote for a third party that won’t get elected?
Nah, I can disagree with the non-voters, but I also understand why they aren’t interested. You are correct, voting isn’t supposed to be a love-letter. Its supposed to be support for a political system. But if both of the major players in that policital system are gonna screw you over, I can understand the apathy.
The biggest complaints I hear about the DNC as a whole is they don’t do enough, and yeah no shit because Republicans have outnumbered them in the senate since 2013 and we only barely picked majority with caucusing independents.
People are upset with democrats because they are out played at every step of the game.
Take Biden’s approach to student loans. Given unilateral power to abolish and modify student loan debt, they announced it months in advance, giving time for court cases to stall the order. Court cases that were taken to a court they know was stacked against them by the rules broken by previous republicans. So it amounted to nothing. Reinstating debt is tangible harder to do, and given unilateral powers to do so, Biden chose to ignore those and set himself up for failure.
To see where this failure to recognize the political moment we are in leads, he failed to pick someone to imprison Trump for treason after Jan 6.
If you want the democrats to do better, then vote for more of them. Simple as.
Even if you don’t feel represented on a specific issue, the DNC are the party to reverse citizens united, tax the rich, and promote fair and open elections.
Pick DNC now so you can choose somebody better later.
Why would I want to encourage the Democrats shitty behaviour? Voting for more of them tells them “yes, I want you to keep backing down on everything you promsed”, which I don’t want.
Even if you don’t feel represented on a specific issue, the DNC are the party to reverse citizens united, tax the rich, and promote fair and open elections.
No, those are the things they talk about doing, but as soon as they have the power, suddenly they are too busy focusing on perpetuating wars, bailing out their rich friends, and fighting against fair elections to get any of those things done
They literally already took money out of politics from 2003 to 2010. That’s what Citizens United means, it’s the court case that put money back in politics. Every DNC politician talks about overturning it but they need a SCOTUS majority or 60 Senators to do it. DNC would be taxing the rich right now as the GOP tax plan expires next year, but stupid assholes let a GOP majority in to write the new one just like they did in 2017. If you really don’t think the DNC expands ballot access and promotes fair districting, then clearly you haven’t been watching anything going on around you.
The DNC haven’t had 60 senators since 1979. Try it first, then tell me it doesn’t work.
I’ve seen them backtrack on enough things to pretty openly not believe them. They could do all kinds of finance reform around politics but keep choosing not to. They keep taking in tons of money, and fighting against the politicians that say they want to overturn CU.
If you really don’t think the DNC expands ballot access and promotes fair districting, then clearly you haven’t been watching anything going on around you.
I watch it all the time. I saw them sue to keep 3rd parties off the ballot. I saw them sabatoge Bernie’s campaign. I saw them push their own progressive party members out. I saw them push two terrible candidates for the last presidental election that their base was loudly saying they didn’t want.
So no, I don’t think they care about open elections
Why didn’t Biden appoint a DOJ head that would try him for treason? This was in their power, they didn’t need more votes, they saw what happened Jan 6, why didn’t they do what needed to be done?
If that’s the biggest complaint you hear, then I feel like you should broaden your reading list.
How about:
Backing a genocide
Backing a rapist who bombed children as a presidental candidate
Telling people the economy is actually really good, when it clearly isn’t
Supporting campaigns like Trump’s
Pretending to care about things like health care, student debt, foreign wars, the housing crisis, then getting into office (with a majority), and doing jack-shit about them. Sometimes even exacerbating them
The single state solution that the current admin supports is Genocide. Before that we had a confused old man withholding purchased weapons, building a pier to distribute aid, and swearing over the phone about the consequences of attacking Rafah. Anybody who advocates against the DNC because of Israel-Palestine conflict is beyond disingenuous, you should move that to the bottom of your list to at least have some semblance of credibility.
The DNC were surprised by the Trump candidacy and you say otherwise twice on your list.
Biden was good for the economy with workers rights, wages, and public investment all increasing dramatically.
Everything else you mentioned they try constantly but can’t do much without 60 in the senate.
The single state solution that the current admin supports is Genocide.
Yeah, I never said otherwise. I’m not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?
Before that we had a confused old man withholding purchased weapons, building a pier to distribute aid, and swearing over the phone about the consequences of attacking Rafah.
You mean the child-killing, rapist and genocidist? Yeah, I saw him make a token effort with the bridge, that didn’t really help. I saw him make a few red-lines that were crossed, and his response was to send a buch more weapons to help out with the genocide.
Anybody who advocates against the DNC because of Israel-Palestine conflict is beyond disingenuous, you should move that to the bottom of your list to at least have some semblance of credibility.
I don’t see how this follows. I can be against the DNC supporting a genocide, while also being against Trump for supporting a genocide. In fact, it’s pretty easy to just universally be against genocide, no matter who is backing it.
The DNC were surprised by the Trump candidacy and you say otherwise twice on your list.
I never said they weren’t supprised by it, I said they supported it, which they did. Clinton pushed for Trump because she thought it would be an easy win.
Biden was good for the economy with workers rights, wages, and public investment all increasing dramatically.
No he wasn’t. He was good with making his rich friends richer, but housing, wages, education, medical-care, got worse. His economy was only good if you focus on the rich and ignored the working class and poor. He also shot-down the rail-workers strike when an actual pro-union president would have supported it.
Everything else you mentioned they try constantly but can’t do much without 60 in the senate.
The Dems always say that they can’t do anything, even with a majority, because the Republicans will block them. But once the Republicans have a majority, the Dems sure can’t seem to block them back.
So which is it? Does having a majority allow you to do what you want? or can you still be blocked?
It’s almost like politicians are liars, who are willing to sucker people in for votes, then toss them aside whenever it’s convenient
Yeah, I never said otherwise. I’m not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?
The Biden Admin was not a single state advocate.
The Dems always say that they can’t do anything, even with a majority, because the Republicans will block them. But once the Republicans have a majority, the Dems sure can’t seem to block them back. So which is it?
The only noteworthy bill in recent memory was the budget bill which can be filibustered but doing so is purely symbolic as budget bills qualify for passing via house reconciliation. On top of that, I already mentioned even when caucusing independents and VP 50:50 tiebreaker let DNC pick majority leader they have been outnumbered in the senate for over a decade and counting. Are you referring to some other bill? Or are you just disingenuous full of shit?
That’s fair. It was a genocidist admin though, which is what people are mad about.
Are you referring to some other bill? Or are you just disingenuous full of shit?
Where was the dems proposed bill to fix our educational system so that it doesn’t put students into debt? Where was the proposed bill to give health-care for everyone? Where was the proosed bill to fix our housing crisis? Where was the proposed bill to make the rich pay their fair share of taxes?
The Dems had the chance to propose these bills under both Biden and Obama, but they didn’t. You miss every shot that you don’t take.
Additionally, they could have used a bunch of executive orders to fix a lot of these issues, even if it was just nibbling around the edges, but chose not to. They were too busy funding wars, torture programs, and dropping bombs on kids to focus on helping out americans.
Fuck you, Biden. You got us here. YOU did breathtaking damage to the republic, because you and the rest of the non-fascist politicians were so unforgivably out of touch that you lost the fucking republic. Please die and save us your bloviating idiocy.
Millions of DNC voters who didn’t turn in a ballot got us here.
Two things can be true at the same time.
Yes: the people who were so fucking sick of the status quo that they refused to vote do carry a large share of the blame here.
But the DNC is ABSOLUTELY guilty of perpetuating that caustic status quo in the face of clear public desire for change, because they were mostly too interested in the money machine they were a part of.
And the Democrats being a shitty party, who keep running shitty candidates is why millions of DNC voters didn’t turn in a ballot
Which was completely stupid in hindsight, wasn’t it?
Running shitty candidates and bad policy? yeah, that was indeed stupid
LOL, tell me you don’t understand how math & a two party FPtP electoral system works without telling me you don’t understand how math and a two party FPtP electoral system works.
I understand how it works perfectly. Parties that fight against war, genocide, and the rich don’t get elected because the two parties keep them off the ballot.
It’s always amazing to me that people blame the voters for the state of things, instead of blaming the people with the money, the power, and the platform, who explicitly went against what the voters said they wanted.
I do blame the people that decided to not vote, regardless of whatever silly reason they tell themselves to rationalize it. Choosing to do nothing is a choice & that choice elected a fascist.
Voting is a chess move not a love letter.
But you certainly don’t understand that.
I disagree with people that decided not to vote, but standing in line for 4 hours, in bad weather, just to have an option between two genocidal, child-killing parties that are gonna work lock-step into screwing over the working class? or for the chance to vote for a third party that won’t get elected?
Nah, I can disagree with the non-voters, but I also understand why they aren’t interested. You are correct, voting isn’t supposed to be a love-letter. Its supposed to be support for a political system. But if both of the major players in that policital system are gonna screw you over, I can understand the apathy.
But you certainly don’t understand that.
The biggest complaints I hear about the DNC as a whole is they don’t do enough, and yeah no shit because Republicans have outnumbered them in the senate since 2013 and we only barely picked majority with caucusing independents.
People are upset with democrats because they are out played at every step of the game.
Take Biden’s approach to student loans. Given unilateral power to abolish and modify student loan debt, they announced it months in advance, giving time for court cases to stall the order. Court cases that were taken to a court they know was stacked against them by the rules broken by previous republicans. So it amounted to nothing. Reinstating debt is tangible harder to do, and given unilateral powers to do so, Biden chose to ignore those and set himself up for failure.
To see where this failure to recognize the political moment we are in leads, he failed to pick someone to imprison Trump for treason after Jan 6.
If you want the democrats to do better, then vote for more of them. Simple as.
Even if you don’t feel represented on a specific issue, the DNC are the party to reverse citizens united, tax the rich, and promote fair and open elections.
Pick DNC now so you can choose somebody better later.
Why would I want to encourage the Democrats shitty behaviour? Voting for more of them tells them “yes, I want you to keep backing down on everything you promsed”, which I don’t want.
No, those are the things they talk about doing, but as soon as they have the power, suddenly they are too busy focusing on perpetuating wars, bailing out their rich friends, and fighting against fair elections to get any of those things done
They literally already took money out of politics from 2003 to 2010. That’s what Citizens United means, it’s the court case that put money back in politics. Every DNC politician talks about overturning it but they need a SCOTUS majority or 60 Senators to do it. DNC would be taxing the rich right now as the GOP tax plan expires next year, but stupid assholes let a GOP majority in to write the new one just like they did in 2017. If you really don’t think the DNC expands ballot access and promotes fair districting, then clearly you haven’t been watching anything going on around you.
The DNC haven’t had 60 senators since 1979. Try it first, then tell me it doesn’t work.
I’ve seen them backtrack on enough things to pretty openly not believe them. They could do all kinds of finance reform around politics but keep choosing not to. They keep taking in tons of money, and fighting against the politicians that say they want to overturn CU.
I watch it all the time. I saw them sue to keep 3rd parties off the ballot. I saw them sabatoge Bernie’s campaign. I saw them push their own progressive party members out. I saw them push two terrible candidates for the last presidental election that their base was loudly saying they didn’t want.
So no, I don’t think they care about open elections
Why didn’t Trump get put in prison after Jan 6? Democrats had the power to do it, why didn’t they?
Trump would have if tens of millions of assholes didn’t reelect him.
Why didn’t Biden appoint a DOJ head that would try him for treason? This was in their power, they didn’t need more votes, they saw what happened Jan 6, why didn’t they do what needed to be done?
If that’s the biggest complaint you hear, then I feel like you should broaden your reading list.
How about:
Those are all just to start
The single state solution that the current admin supports is Genocide. Before that we had a confused old man withholding purchased weapons, building a pier to distribute aid, and swearing over the phone about the consequences of attacking Rafah. Anybody who advocates against the DNC because of Israel-Palestine conflict is beyond disingenuous, you should move that to the bottom of your list to at least have some semblance of credibility.
The DNC were surprised by the Trump candidacy and you say otherwise twice on your list.
Biden was good for the economy with workers rights, wages, and public investment all increasing dramatically.
Everything else you mentioned they try constantly but can’t do much without 60 in the senate.
Yeah, I never said otherwise. I’m not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?
You mean the child-killing, rapist and genocidist? Yeah, I saw him make a token effort with the bridge, that didn’t really help. I saw him make a few red-lines that were crossed, and his response was to send a buch more weapons to help out with the genocide.
I don’t see how this follows. I can be against the DNC supporting a genocide, while also being against Trump for supporting a genocide. In fact, it’s pretty easy to just universally be against genocide, no matter who is backing it.
I never said they weren’t supprised by it, I said they supported it, which they did. Clinton pushed for Trump because she thought it would be an easy win.
No he wasn’t. He was good with making his rich friends richer, but housing, wages, education, medical-care, got worse. His economy was only good if you focus on the rich and ignored the working class and poor. He also shot-down the rail-workers strike when an actual pro-union president would have supported it.
The Dems always say that they can’t do anything, even with a majority, because the Republicans will block them. But once the Republicans have a majority, the Dems sure can’t seem to block them back. So which is it? Does having a majority allow you to do what you want? or can you still be blocked? It’s almost like politicians are liars, who are willing to sucker people in for votes, then toss them aside whenever it’s convenient
The Biden Admin was not a single state advocate.
The only noteworthy bill in recent memory was the budget bill which can be filibustered but doing so is purely symbolic as budget bills qualify for passing via house reconciliation. On top of that, I already mentioned even when caucusing independents and VP 50:50 tiebreaker let DNC pick majority leader they have been outnumbered in the senate for over a decade and counting. Are you referring to some other bill? Or are you just disingenuous full of shit?
That’s fair. It was a genocidist admin though, which is what people are mad about.
Where was the dems proposed bill to fix our educational system so that it doesn’t put students into debt? Where was the proposed bill to give health-care for everyone? Where was the proosed bill to fix our housing crisis? Where was the proposed bill to make the rich pay their fair share of taxes?
The Dems had the chance to propose these bills under both Biden and Obama, but they didn’t. You miss every shot that you don’t take.
Additionally, they could have used a bunch of executive orders to fix a lot of these issues, even if it was just nibbling around the edges, but chose not to. They were too busy funding wars, torture programs, and dropping bombs on kids to focus on helping out americans.