• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      Capitalism has its benefits. Namely, the rapid economic growth afforded through exploitation of natural resources by unemployed labor mixed with cash-rich / debt-friendly entrepreneurs. You don’t want an economic system that loses the benefits of industrialization and domestic improvement.

      On the flip side, capitalism also has a huge problem of wealth distribution. Bottlenecks within the flow of revenue create huge pools of malinvestment, squandered natural resources on vanity projects, and a strong incentive for public sector militarization / police violence as a tool to maintain the disproportionate wealth distribution.

      We need a system in which individuals can still cooperatively administer an economy with an eye towards long term economic prosperity, but one in which the surpluses aren’t horded or wasted by a rigid hierarchy of generationally wealthy lenders and carnival barker entrepreneurs. Communism provides a roadmap for redistributing titles and incomes across entire populations, while still socially reproducing a bureaucracy capable of managing industrial-scale and national-scale projects.

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          Capitalism has zero benefits whatsoever

          Even Marx didn’t believe that. Capitalism is an outgrowth of industrialization, repetitively turning low-surplus undeveloped real estate into high-surplus improved real estate. If you’re not generating and then reinvesting your surplus, you’re not going to move past a feudal agrarian economy into a post-scarcity socialist state.

          you have American brainrot

          This is, at absolute worst, British/German brainrot. The Americans fetishized the idea of capitalism and hid from its excesses with westward migration. But the Old World scholars were shoved into the maw and out the anus of it a century earlier.

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            You are privileged beyond belief. Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide coupled with the military industrial complex. It is fucked, nothing good about it

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              Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide

              Feudalism is based on slavery and genocide. Capitalism is based on industrial development yielding a compounding rate of return.

              It is fucked, nothing good about it

              Its a historical stage of economic development every society ultimately passes through. Again, go back and read Das Kapital. Go pick up a copy of Piketty’s Capitalism in the 21st Century. Get a book on Lenin’s NEP or Dengism or the modernization of Castro’s Cuba. Even the most staunch leftist cannot escape the materialist need to industrialize.

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        Heavily regulated socialist democracy.

        Provide basic needs, food, clothing, healthcare, childcare, and education. Hell even a phone and Internet access.

        Emphasis on the basic.

        Allow for those who do not wish to, or are unable to work to live with all basic needs covered. Those who wish to work are incentivized to do so, with access to luxuries. Better housing, better clothing, better technology. Allow a place for the market, but don’t make people depend on the market.

        No reason to work a job you hate, no reason to employ people you don’t need. Everybody wins.

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          This sounds fantastic, and will never work in the USA as long as there are classes of people who live above the rules and can influence society through policy and social media. If they smell any extra income, rights or services you receive, it’s like blood in the water and they will come from miles to get a piece of anything you own, exactly as they do now.

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    Would that be propaganda in favor of Communism, who’s every real world iteration so far has led to corruption, tyranny, and human rights abuse on a scale that would put Capitalism’s to shame? Gwon you’re making us blush. Oh, you talking about aspirational Communism, but not actual real life experienced Communism, lol. Yes, that’s what we need, fairy tales of the world to come, like Christianity.

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      Pretty sure Nazi Germany alone killed more people than the entirety of communism?

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        Stalin, alone, killed 20 million people under his rule. Go … find your parents, then … find your teachers, and slap them.