Georgia's Democratic congressman David Scott has died at age 80. Scott was the first Black chairman of the House Agriculture Committee and was seeking his 13th term in Congress despite challenges from within his party.
Eh, I get what you’re saying, but term limits aren’t a prerequisite for democracies.
The problem was neoliberals ran the party for generations and would blackmailblackball anyone that worked on a primary against a neoliberal incumbent.
Even to the point they were robbing state parties and threatening to cut entire state parties off of their reps didn’t toe the line.
That’s over, it’s been over for a year.
Even if the current DNC chair did a 180 as I’m typing this, he’s been dumping all the money stolen via the Victory Fund back on state parties. The DNC couldn’t use the old threats if they wanted to.
Without that pressure from the top, progressives will replace neoliberal and republican incumbents.
And if a progressive gets thru the presidential primary and into the Oval, then they get to name the next DNC president.
That’s what pisses me off the most these days…
I spent decades trying to convince people the DNC was a problem. And as soon as the voting members fixed it, everyone started to realize how bad it was, but not that it’s been fixed.
I don’t understand how people keep falling for billionaire propaganda.
I don’t understand how people keep falling for billionaire propaganda.
Because there is, quite literally, nothing else. Who is talking about it being fixed besides you? Anybody with any credibility?
The DNC’s problem is exemplified by the old joke - If a Democrat found a magic lamp, rubbed it, and got three wishes from a djinn, they’d negotiate down to one and then wish for whatever the nearest Republican wants.
The DNC doesn’t stand for anything beyond lining the pockets of insider traders like Nancy Pelosi. Same as the Republicans, just minus all the goosestepping, conspiracy theories, and shilling for supplements. They aren’t the same, but being the only alternative doesn’t inherently make them better by default. They lost the plot trying to make the Clintons into a dynasty.
Fixing the systemic problems at the root of this goes all the way back to how these parties responded to Ross Perot and the elimination of third party viability. A strictly two party system is not a functional democracy. It’s a one party system masquerading as two parties.
There’s really one political party in the USA - the monied party. Which is why there’s so much billionaire propaganda for people to fall for.
Who is talking about it being fixed besides you? Anybody with any credibility?
NPR is a fantastic resource…
Democratic National Committee Chair Ken Martin says President Trump is a “dictator-in-chief” whose agenda is “fascism dressed in a red tie” and his party must fight back against his policies.
“Now look, folks, I’m sick and tired of this Democratic party bringing a pencil to a knife fight,” Martin said. “We cannot be the only party that plays by the rules anymore. We’ve got to stand up and fight. We’re not going to have a hand tied behind our back anymore.”
Speaking during the first session of the DNC’s summer meeting in Minneapolis on Monday, Martin said the Democratic Party has to stop trying to win arguments over policy and politics and do more to win future elections.
“>You know what winning the argument gets you? A nice round of applause and a few likes on Instagram,” Martin said. “But the reality is it doesn’t make life any better for any person. We have to stop settling on winning arguments with each other. We have to win elections.”
Is what happened over a year ago when the ~400 voting members of the DNC pivoted away from neoliberals…
If the last year wasn’t enough, look at his track record in Minnesota and what happened during the decade he ran it
He’s a known quantity, the last year of gains hasn’t been a fluke, and everyone is just as much “not trump” in those elections as they’ve always been.
The DNC doesn’t stand for anything
This is the problem…
You think of the DMC as an entity…
It’s not, it’s ~400 people that vote for a dictator for four years if and only if a Republican wins the presidency.
2025 was the first time since 2017 since those ~400 got a say, because we settled for Biden as voters in the middle. They fucked up in 2017, they didn’t know what to do and Hillary and the “victory fund” was the only thing keeping them from bankruptcy, and that came with strings.
But by 2025 a lot of them were dead or no longer voting members, and a few had changed their mind.
So we pivoted
You have to understand how the system works, to understand when it changes, why it changes, and how it changes
I 100% understand the anger with “the party” and for the last 30 years I’d agreed with you, if I was older I’d have agreed for longer.
But shit changed, and if Martin paves the wave for FDR 2.0, that’s who picks the next head of the DNC.
You can be mad it’s a long process, but don’t fucking spend your time telling everyone to quit a marathon when we’re 200 yards from the finish line and no ones in sight behind us.
You have no fucking clue how hard it’s been to get this close, this is not the time to quit.
Your timeline is misaligned by at least a decade and missing the forest for the trees. In 2025, we’re on the brink of WWIII. The DNC has been hand-in-iron-fist with the GQP since 9/11 and the Patriot Act. Both parties merrily marching us to fascist authoritarianism. The only disagreement being who’d be the eventual Fuhrer.
But shit changed, and if Martin paves the wave for FDR 2.0
This is the problem with Dems. They’re fixated on repeating the mistakes of the past because they’ve only read the sanitized versions of history used in public schools. FDR 1.0 caused the double-dip in the Great Depression with his New Deal. Friedman’s Economic History of the United States covered it thoroughly. Maybe try reading some more modern economics strategies, like UBI, or wildly crazy shit like re-enacting the prohibition against Congress owning securities, enacting anti-gerrymandering legislation, and open-auditing of all electronic voting machines, plus enacting a general cap on all campaign expenditures of a nominal value with any remainders automatically allocated to the federal treasury to restore impartiality to our elected representatives.
The anger you’re seeing is because not only is the process long, but the outcomes are stupid and not worthwhile. Biden put on a demonstration of what competent leadership looks like. It was impressive to watch the things his cabinet was accomplishing. If it were any other yesteryear, it would have been an administration lauded for its competence.
But literally the one thing they didn’t touch was any of the linchpins to their lucrative kleptocratic establishment. All of the mechanisms that could have prevented allowing a known pedophile a second term in the oval office would have required addressing systemic corruptions that would have disturbed their seats of power. Instead, the Biden administration had other priorities instead of preventing what did happen - a rigged election. Thanks for the “assist”, Elon. As a reward for his help, Elon gets to rummage around in federal databases destroying evidence of this and other crimes. And Dems get to watch once again, as the minority party plays them for the fools they are.
You might not think this is the time to quit. I don’t think you should have ever started because you’re still pulling for the wrong team. There is no evidence to suggest your efforts are anything but too little, much too late.
At this point, I am incredibly skeptical that America has a peaceful way out of the current situation we’re in. Dems are very much not anti-authoritarian. They will not give up the executive powers that the GQP has so graciously secured for them. That’s the one thing you can always count on. Power, once centralized, is only ever decentralized through violence.
Europeans are so desperate for the schadenfreude of watching America collapse and fail, without any regard to how badly that would go for THEM. America being swept from world power would cause far more problems than it would solve, and it would take years to recover.
And self-righteous Europe doesn’t have any moral ground to stand on, anyway. What America is going through is happening in most European countries. While they’re bitching about America, the far-right influence is quickly increasing in their countries, too. Stop giving us bad advice, and fix your own house.
Hungary managed to kick out their well-entrenched far-right government, proving that it is possible. We’re going to to do the same thing in America over the next two elections, deal with whatever post-MAGA nonsense those traitor pedophiles cook up, and then we can start pointing fingers at Europe, and demand they deal with their far-right issues, before we end up with another WWII situation.
Like there’s a shadowy cabal of hooded billionaires saying “the people have started to vote for Bernie Sanders - we must lobby to reduce education spending so that in 15-20 years people will make worse decisions” <evil laughter ensues>
Like there’s not a possibility for imperialistic capitalist democracies to develop an autopoietic culture/spectacle for producing the exact same effect as you describe, distributed and self perpetuating, without any sort of need for shadowy cabals. Like the selfish greed of hundreds/thousands of billionaires enabled by a leaky political system don’t add up to the same shit, just more powerful and less conspiratorial.
I wish there was a shadowy guy in the background. That would make it pretty easy to point my finger and say, “hey, THATS HIM!!!” But unfortunately, that’s not the case.
It’s not one shadowy guy in the background. It’s Stephen Miller, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Roger Ailes, and Rupert Murdoch, literally standing right next to Donald Trump.
Like there’s not a possibility for imperialistic capitalist democracies to develop a culture/spectacle for producing the exact same effect as you describe, distributed and self perpetuating, without any sort of need for shadowy cabals.
There doesn’t seem to be any sign of it. It would strongly help your point if people weren’t on average much better educated than at any time in our history.
The “People today are dumber than ever” is such an old tired trope. Every generation has said the same thing. Kids these days are stupider than we were, people today are just less educated, blah blah blah.
If it were true then the entirety of humanity by now would be unable to function.
Eh, I get what you’re saying, but term limits aren’t a prerequisite for democracies.
The problem was neoliberals ran the party for generations and would
blackmailblackball anyone that worked on a primary against a neoliberal incumbent.Even to the point they were robbing state parties and threatening to cut entire state parties off of their reps didn’t toe the line.
That’s over, it’s been over for a year.
Even if the current DNC chair did a 180 as I’m typing this, he’s been dumping all the money stolen via the Victory Fund back on state parties. The DNC couldn’t use the old threats if they wanted to.
Without that pressure from the top, progressives will replace neoliberal and republican incumbents.
And if a progressive gets thru the presidential primary and into the Oval, then they get to name the next DNC president.
That’s what pisses me off the most these days…
I spent decades trying to convince people the DNC was a problem. And as soon as the voting members fixed it, everyone started to realize how bad it was, but not that it’s been fixed.
I don’t understand how people keep falling for billionaire propaganda.
I don’t believe it’s been fixed and it will take some convincing. And I’m probably not the only one.
Same boat for me. I can’t argue however that there have been many steps in the right directly recently.
Because there is, quite literally, nothing else. Who is talking about it being fixed besides you? Anybody with any credibility?
The DNC’s problem is exemplified by the old joke - If a Democrat found a magic lamp, rubbed it, and got three wishes from a djinn, they’d negotiate down to one and then wish for whatever the nearest Republican wants.
The DNC doesn’t stand for anything beyond lining the pockets of insider traders like Nancy Pelosi. Same as the Republicans, just minus all the goosestepping, conspiracy theories, and shilling for supplements. They aren’t the same, but being the only alternative doesn’t inherently make them better by default. They lost the plot trying to make the Clintons into a dynasty.
Fixing the systemic problems at the root of this goes all the way back to how these parties responded to Ross Perot and the elimination of third party viability. A strictly two party system is not a functional democracy. It’s a one party system masquerading as two parties.
There’s really one political party in the USA - the monied party. Which is why there’s so much billionaire propaganda for people to fall for.
NPR is a fantastic resource…
“>You know what winning the argument gets you? A nice round of applause and a few likes on Instagram,” Martin said. “But the reality is it doesn’t make life any better for any person. We have to stop settling on winning arguments with each other. We have to win elections.”
https://www.npr.org/2025/08/26/nx-s1-5515631/dnc-democrats-ken-martin-trump-facism
Is what happened over a year ago when the ~400 voting members of the DNC pivoted away from neoliberals…
If the last year wasn’t enough, look at his track record in Minnesota and what happened during the decade he ran it
He’s a known quantity, the last year of gains hasn’t been a fluke, and everyone is just as much “not trump” in those elections as they’ve always been.
This is the problem…
You think of the DMC as an entity…
It’s not, it’s ~400 people that vote for a dictator for four years if and only if a Republican wins the presidency.
2025 was the first time since 2017 since those ~400 got a say, because we settled for Biden as voters in the middle. They fucked up in 2017, they didn’t know what to do and Hillary and the “victory fund” was the only thing keeping them from bankruptcy, and that came with strings.
But by 2025 a lot of them were dead or no longer voting members, and a few had changed their mind.
So we pivoted
You have to understand how the system works, to understand when it changes, why it changes, and how it changes
I 100% understand the anger with “the party” and for the last 30 years I’d agreed with you, if I was older I’d have agreed for longer.
But shit changed, and if Martin paves the wave for FDR 2.0, that’s who picks the next head of the DNC.
You can be mad it’s a long process, but don’t fucking spend your time telling everyone to quit a marathon when we’re 200 yards from the finish line and no ones in sight behind us.
You have no fucking clue how hard it’s been to get this close, this is not the time to quit.
Your timeline is misaligned by at least a decade and missing the forest for the trees. In 2025, we’re on the brink of WWIII. The DNC has been hand-in-iron-fist with the GQP since 9/11 and the Patriot Act. Both parties merrily marching us to fascist authoritarianism. The only disagreement being who’d be the eventual Fuhrer.
This is the problem with Dems. They’re fixated on repeating the mistakes of the past because they’ve only read the sanitized versions of history used in public schools. FDR 1.0 caused the double-dip in the Great Depression with his New Deal. Friedman’s Economic History of the United States covered it thoroughly. Maybe try reading some more modern economics strategies, like UBI, or wildly crazy shit like re-enacting the prohibition against Congress owning securities, enacting anti-gerrymandering legislation, and open-auditing of all electronic voting machines, plus enacting a general cap on all campaign expenditures of a nominal value with any remainders automatically allocated to the federal treasury to restore impartiality to our elected representatives.
The anger you’re seeing is because not only is the process long, but the outcomes are stupid and not worthwhile. Biden put on a demonstration of what competent leadership looks like. It was impressive to watch the things his cabinet was accomplishing. If it were any other yesteryear, it would have been an administration lauded for its competence.
But literally the one thing they didn’t touch was any of the linchpins to their lucrative kleptocratic establishment. All of the mechanisms that could have prevented allowing a known pedophile a second term in the oval office would have required addressing systemic corruptions that would have disturbed their seats of power. Instead, the Biden administration had other priorities instead of preventing what did happen - a rigged election. Thanks for the “assist”, Elon. As a reward for his help, Elon gets to rummage around in federal databases destroying evidence of this and other crimes. And Dems get to watch once again, as the minority party plays them for the fools they are.
You might not think this is the time to quit. I don’t think you should have ever started because you’re still pulling for the wrong team. There is no evidence to suggest your efforts are anything but too little, much too late.
At this point, I am incredibly skeptical that America has a peaceful way out of the current situation we’re in. Dems are very much not anti-authoritarian. They will not give up the executive powers that the GQP has so graciously secured for them. That’s the one thing you can always count on. Power, once centralized, is only ever decentralized through violence.
You’re confusing me describing reality, with me saying that should be the way it is…
That’s the same reason medicine women were burnt at the stake.
I didn’t read anything else you typed, and I won’t see anything else you ever type again…
Shits too important to waste effort on lost causes.
If you really believed that, you’d be focusing your efforts elsewhere.
Europeans are so desperate for the schadenfreude of watching America collapse and fail, without any regard to how badly that would go for THEM. America being swept from world power would cause far more problems than it would solve, and it would take years to recover.
And self-righteous Europe doesn’t have any moral ground to stand on, anyway. What America is going through is happening in most European countries. While they’re bitching about America, the far-right influence is quickly increasing in their countries, too. Stop giving us bad advice, and fix your own house.
Hungary managed to kick out their well-entrenched far-right government, proving that it is possible. We’re going to to do the same thing in America over the next two elections, deal with whatever post-MAGA nonsense those traitor pedophiles cook up, and then we can start pointing fingers at Europe, and demand they deal with their far-right issues, before we end up with another WWII situation.
Who’s european in this conversation? I’m not.
Projection ain’t just for the cinemas, my guy.
Maybe instead of making assumptions, try asking questions instead. You don’t know as much as you assume.
You’re not American, that’s the point.
The propaganda is effective, people are stupid, and education is intentionally poor to keep it that way.
This is such a stupid take. 🤣
Like there’s a shadowy cabal of hooded billionaires saying “the people have started to vote for Bernie Sanders - we must lobby to reduce education spending so that in 15-20 years people will make worse decisions” <evil laughter ensues>
That is such a stupid take.
Like there’s not a possibility for imperialistic capitalist democracies to develop an autopoietic culture/spectacle for producing the exact same effect as you describe, distributed and self perpetuating, without any sort of need for shadowy cabals. Like the selfish greed of hundreds/thousands of billionaires enabled by a leaky political system don’t add up to the same shit, just more powerful and less conspiratorial.
I wish there was a shadowy guy in the background. That would make it pretty easy to point my finger and say, “hey, THATS HIM!!!” But unfortunately, that’s not the case.
It’s not one shadowy guy in the background. It’s Stephen Miller, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Roger Ailes, and Rupert Murdoch, literally standing right next to Donald Trump.
There doesn’t seem to be any sign of it. It would strongly help your point if people weren’t on average much better educated than at any time in our history.
I can come back with DOIs if you’d like to read up on the topic.
Hardly. They can both be true.
The “People today are dumber than ever” is such an old tired trope. Every generation has said the same thing. Kids these days are stupider than we were, people today are just less educated, blah blah blah.
If it were true then the entirety of humanity by now would be unable to function.
I didn’t even entertain that argument, so I’m not sure why it would be relevant. Education being better today hardly matters for what I said.
Then I have no idea what you’re on about since that was the start of the entire conversation.
That’s something a hooded billionaire in a shadowy cabal would say 🤔
But no, the degradation of the american education system began decades before Bernie ever ran for president. The damage has already been done.