• Obinice@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    To be fair to them, my parents grew up on a farm without electricity or running water. Unsurprising that they have less student debt than I do :3

  • kalpol@lemmy.ca
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    4 hours ago

    I ain’t gonna say Obama did it, but all this started when FFELP was shut down

  • jaykrown@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    I’m so glad I only went to community college and got an associate’s. Now that I’m working full time it’s so obvious that the vast majority of what I spent time on at college was a complete waste of money.

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      My takeaway from my bachelor’s was that my time in school wasn’t so much about what I learned there (though it did teach me things I wouldn’t have even thought of on my own), but a) learning how to learn on my own, and b) getting a piece of paper proving that I can stick with a difficult and expensive program long enough to get through it.

      Though as I understand it, at the associate’s level, classes are more about learning specific skills than the theory behind them. Like an associates level CS course might teach a specific language or framework while a bachelor’s level CS course will focus on algorithms, data structures, how a genetic framework might be designed and built, etc.

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    16 hours ago

    Kids just don’t wanna work now! They just need to work harder! We just found a job and paid off our debt, they should do the same! /s

    • VinegarChunks@lemmus.org
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      9 hours ago

      Why do we need a new calculus book every 3 years? Calculus isn’t fucking changing!

      There should be one public domain calculus book used by every college and if teachers want new homework problems there should be FOSS software to randomize the numbers and email out fresh problems.

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      Low volume and high costs mainly. The printing costs are dwarfed by all the writing, proofreading, layout, editing etc that goes into them. The $300 ones tend to be these massive books with a thousand pages of instruction, problem sets, images, infographics, etc. None of these books are selling a billion copies like 50 Shades of Grey either. The most famous textbooks maybe, but a lot of them would be lucky to sell a thousand copies.

      And of course, yes, greedy giant publishing companies. But those companies publish books for many different courses and professors, plus I think they own academic journals as well (which make them way more money and cost way less to publish than textbooks do).

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        Which is of course ludicrous. Why is education so insanely expensive should include all the materials?

        My degree in Australia had some suggested text books, but none of them required it^, and all the content you actually needed was supplied in the course materials.

        ^ one exception, a computer network admin class had a book for lab instructions. But the library had a set of them sufficient for a lab and limited the borrow duration to 3 hours so you’d check it out, run to class and return it back afterwards every week.

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          I’ve also seen professors who get kickbacks from the sale of textbooks up to and including professors making their own textbook that they authored a required text for the course.

          Are you asking why education is so expensive? It’s because the amount of staff (especially non-teaching admin staff) employed by universities has ballooned way out of control. A modern university campus is basically a miniature city at this point. It has its own police force, hospital, doctors offices, therapists, many different restaurants, laundry services, recreation and entertainment facilities, gyms, climbing walls, libraries (had those forever though), residential buildings, academic study (outside class) facilities… On and on and on it goes.

          All of that stuff is paid for by the students through tuition, residence fees, meal plans, and miscellaneous fees. Sure, the construction of the buildings is usually paid for by donations, government grants, or the school’s endowment fund, but the day-to-day operating costs and staffing are all paid by students.

          You might then ask how we got here, or why we don’t have a “bare bones university” with none of that extra stuff? Simple: competition between universities combined with student demand. Bare Bones University is not going to attract the top students who already have a ton of better options.

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            I’ve also seen professors who get kickbacks from the sale of textbooks up to and including professors making their own textbook that they authored a required text for the course.

            Nobody is getting rich by writing a textbook. The most likely reason for using a book they wrote is that it includes information they thought was important.

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            You forgot one factor that’s also highly important: sports. College sports ALONE makes a lot of universities an eye popping amount of cash, and also costs them a boatload too. Couple that with donations and profits from those sports being earmarked ONLY for those sports (can’t use your basketball money to do anything but improve your basketball facilities and pay the staff), and you’re putting a stranglehold on a lot of ways to reduce cost.

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      19 hours ago

      Same reason as the rest of college being expensive. The can charge whatever they want because the government will loan the money to pay for it.

  • SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    22 hours ago

    My parents and in-laws: $0 student debt
    My spouse and me: just shy of $150k

    In America I’m free to accrue massive debt! 🦅💵🇺🇸

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      Their education was worth $0 because they allowed the system to exploit their children.

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      4 hours ago

      Until recently, encouraged by high school guidance counselors and college admissions and financial aid staff to accrue massive debt.

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    1 day ago

    Boomers had a fair shake and level playing field.

    We get debt, fascism and dying planet. FUUUUCK them all.

    Eat the fucking rich.

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      I paid my student debt, these kids don’t deserve any handouts!

      Boomers who paid tuition and living costs that were a manageable fraction of their part time student job that doesn’t even fucking exist anymore.