The time to prepare was when the Democrats were in power. It’s now too late. MAGA in 2019 could not have telegraphed their moves harder. The plan was always to massively bolster ICE and commence rapid, racist deportations and death camps. And not only did Biden and democrats fail to prepare for this (dismantling ICE, jailing MAGA, chickenshit prodecutor Garland, etc…), but they carried out the biggest federal law enforcement blunders in US history.
On top of this, Biden expanded ICE during his time in office, and literally built the camps that Tump is now utilizing.
It’s just downright pitiful to see a headline saying that “now is the time to act”, as if the people we’re begging to act didnt just spend the last 4 years collaborating with fascists.
The last dude ran on not being Trump, but gave him a faster car after he crashed the last one with his drinking buddies.
Instead of pushing for harder limits to stop him, he just acted like his hands were tied, he had to fund the Neo-Nazi Police Department, he had to build more of the border wall that Trump wanted, he had to keep Trump’s tax cuts for the rich to afford more propaganda.
It’s too late to avoid damage, but not too late to avoid total destruction.
I wish Lemmy had fewer doomers. I get it - horrible things are happening. Failures are taking place all over the country, and heart wrenching acts are being committed
It’s bad.
This said, things can get much, much worse. People and systems are still fighting, and both are sometimes winning. These are small battles in a larger war, but we shouldn’t discount the bravery and sacrifice that is actually getting results, however small many may be.
So no, it’s not too late to save the USA. But yes, the USA is actively failing, being divided, and breaking under the stress of the cruelty and apathy of countless millions of awful people, chief amongst them those that are currently in charge (the GOP led by Trump).
But that’s the thing… Apathy is an ingredient. Doomerism creates apathy. Fight this just as hard as you fight Trump, everyone. It’s his tool, so stop giving him strength.
Lots of missed opportunity in the past to act. We can’t change that now, we can only try to do better going forward.
I feel focusing the narrative on how we got into this emergency situation to cast blame on past non-action does little to affect any future change and demotivates others from trying.
Can we focus on what we are going to do instead of pointing fingers?
I know it feels good to cast blame, to get our anger out, and gives us the feeling we are doing something. It also weighs us down, directs our focus to the past when we need to be here now focused on what options are still available to us. We can analyze how we got here and what we should have done later.
As an outside observer, the most painful part is the usa’s really weird two team political system and how the people still put any trust into the dems at all. Watching and reading over and over about how things that are happening are “warnings” of the other things that have clearly already happened really puts history into perspective.
The us is now at the point that supporting ether party or even the nation itself would be seen as “crazy” or “misinformed” if reading it in a history book (or wiki article, etc.). The time for happy involvement in the political system to enact change was so long ago it gives me a sense of discordance reading about the actions of the american people vs the actions of their government.
Please, focus on what you can do. But also please, try and be pragmatic and not just put the future of your nation on the party that has clearly shown they are incapable of any action.
It’s APAC. APAC buys our elections. We need to be wary of APAC and any other “big donors” and their intentions at every corner. That’s why the grassroots campaigns are such a huge deal, that’s why Mamdani in New York is such a huge deal too, it shows that’s who THE PEOPLE want, not some rich guy with horrible intentions.
If a grassroots campaigner can win a place like New York then I have much more hope for this country than previously.
Its the two party system that allows things like APAC to function. If you could toss aside a party you would have done so as soon as this sort of crap popped up, but you can’t so both parties just get worse and worse and worse.
It’s two sides of the same coin. APAC and donors with unlimited money quietly sponsor their candidates, and the people don’t vote for the third+ party because they don’t see those candidates, or once they do, they don’t see it winning against those with unlimited money.
The only good I can see coming out of any of this is a ton of people are seeing where the Democratic party failed them since we’re in this mess in the first place, and the younger “Dems” who are socialist in policy will push for more progressive policies, thus creating a truly progressive party, which is the whole reason they identify as “dems” in the first place, is the progressive policy.
The way to act in a two party system is to take over a party and purge the people who were a problem. The Republicans were always bad and always racist, but not like this. We’ve seen a party get consumed by an insurgent faction. There’s nothing forgone about “the Democrats” always being what they have been.
Changing governmental systems to a more representative option without armed revolution is nearly impossible. The people with the power to make a change through legal methods are almost always personally incentivized to maintain it.
But to your point, it’s notable that America basically never institutes its own system when it regime changes a country.
I think america is in the find out part of their great experiment. The current political system has created an almost “sportsball” like interaction where you pick a team and root for them and little else, the parties (both of them) have no reason to want to change this (as you point out). Now you have a massive steaming hot mess of an administration, with no real political opposition and media coverage doing commentary like on the sidelines of a sporting event. There is no meaningful legal way the american people can interact with their government anymore and the media keeps talking about each party “slamming” and “blasting” each other like its a wresting match, and like a wresting match it is all fake without any real world impact (the “slamming” not the awful policy by the government).
The thing is commentators do affect sports all games. Mostly because they are describing it to an audience and the players on the sports field are fully aware that there is an audience and that the commentator is influencing what they perceive is happening.
Players can’t be cheats or assholes for very long, or without the commentators looking the other way and not get backlash from at least half the audience.
Yeah, it’s particularly bad at the presidential level as most votes just don’t matter. People talk about “if you stayed home this is your fault” but it (for the presidential vote specifically) really is pointless for like 70% of the population who lives somewhere that’s solidly one way or the other. I voted in the last election but all my representatives were decided in the primary and my vote for Harris was useless because whether she wins my state by 10% or 30% doesn’t matter.
It was a fine first draft, but technology has changed and we’ve figured out better systems of government in the last 250 years.
Was the expansion of ICE under Biden connected to the centrist delusion that if democrats take these kinds of actions they will bring people from the far right to the left?
The time to prepare was when the Democrats were in power. It’s now too late. MAGA in 2019 could not have telegraphed their moves harder. The plan was always to massively bolster ICE and commence rapid, racist deportations and death camps. And not only did Biden and democrats fail to prepare for this (dismantling ICE, jailing MAGA, chickenshit prodecutor Garland, etc…), but they carried out the biggest federal law enforcement blunders in US history.
On top of this, Biden expanded ICE during his time in office, and literally built the camps that Tump is now utilizing.
It’s just downright pitiful to see a headline saying that “now is the time to act”, as if the people we’re begging to act didnt just spend the last 4 years collaborating with fascists.
The last dude ran on not being Trump, but gave him a faster car after he crashed the last one with his drinking buddies.
Instead of pushing for harder limits to stop him, he just acted like his hands were tied, he had to fund the Neo-Nazi Police Department, he had to build more of the border wall that Trump wanted, he had to keep Trump’s tax cuts for the rich to afford more propaganda.
It’s too late to avoid damage, but not too late to avoid total destruction.
I wish Lemmy had fewer doomers. I get it - horrible things are happening. Failures are taking place all over the country, and heart wrenching acts are being committed
It’s bad.
This said, things can get much, much worse. People and systems are still fighting, and both are sometimes winning. These are small battles in a larger war, but we shouldn’t discount the bravery and sacrifice that is actually getting results, however small many may be.
So no, it’s not too late to save the USA. But yes, the USA is actively failing, being divided, and breaking under the stress of the cruelty and apathy of countless millions of awful people, chief amongst them those that are currently in charge (the GOP led by Trump).
But that’s the thing… Apathy is an ingredient. Doomerism creates apathy. Fight this just as hard as you fight Trump, everyone. It’s his tool, so stop giving him strength.
Well… now IS the time to act.
Lots of missed opportunity in the past to act. We can’t change that now, we can only try to do better going forward.
I feel focusing the narrative on how we got into this emergency situation to cast blame on past non-action does little to affect any future change and demotivates others from trying.
Can we focus on what we are going to do instead of pointing fingers?
I know it feels good to cast blame, to get our anger out, and gives us the feeling we are doing something. It also weighs us down, directs our focus to the past when we need to be here now focused on what options are still available to us. We can analyze how we got here and what we should have done later.
Now is all we have left.
As an outside observer, the most painful part is the usa’s really weird two team political system and how the people still put any trust into the dems at all. Watching and reading over and over about how things that are happening are “warnings” of the other things that have clearly already happened really puts history into perspective.
The us is now at the point that supporting ether party or even the nation itself would be seen as “crazy” or “misinformed” if reading it in a history book (or wiki article, etc.). The time for happy involvement in the political system to enact change was so long ago it gives me a sense of discordance reading about the actions of the american people vs the actions of their government.
Please, focus on what you can do. But also please, try and be pragmatic and not just put the future of your nation on the party that has clearly shown they are incapable of any action.
It’s APAC. APAC buys our elections. We need to be wary of APAC and any other “big donors” and their intentions at every corner. That’s why the grassroots campaigns are such a huge deal, that’s why Mamdani in New York is such a huge deal too, it shows that’s who THE PEOPLE want, not some rich guy with horrible intentions.
If a grassroots campaigner can win a place like New York then I have much more hope for this country than previously.
Its the two party system that allows things like APAC to function. If you could toss aside a party you would have done so as soon as this sort of crap popped up, but you can’t so both parties just get worse and worse and worse.
It’s two sides of the same coin. APAC and donors with unlimited money quietly sponsor their candidates, and the people don’t vote for the third+ party because they don’t see those candidates, or once they do, they don’t see it winning against those with unlimited money.
The only good I can see coming out of any of this is a ton of people are seeing where the Democratic party failed them since we’re in this mess in the first place, and the younger “Dems” who are socialist in policy will push for more progressive policies, thus creating a truly progressive party, which is the whole reason they identify as “dems” in the first place, is the progressive policy.
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The way to act in a two party system is to take over a party and purge the people who were a problem. The Republicans were always bad and always racist, but not like this. We’ve seen a party get consumed by an insurgent faction. There’s nothing forgone about “the Democrats” always being what they have been.
I would hope the way to act in a two party system is to take it down and make a non two party system. Its just not a viable system.
Changing governmental systems to a more representative option without armed revolution is nearly impossible. The people with the power to make a change through legal methods are almost always personally incentivized to maintain it.
But to your point, it’s notable that America basically never institutes its own system when it regime changes a country.
I think america is in the find out part of their great experiment. The current political system has created an almost “sportsball” like interaction where you pick a team and root for them and little else, the parties (both of them) have no reason to want to change this (as you point out). Now you have a massive steaming hot mess of an administration, with no real political opposition and media coverage doing commentary like on the sidelines of a sporting event. There is no meaningful legal way the american people can interact with their government anymore and the media keeps talking about each party “slamming” and “blasting” each other like its a wresting match, and like a wresting match it is all fake without any real world impact (the “slamming” not the awful policy by the government).
The thing is commentators do affect sports all games. Mostly because they are describing it to an audience and the players on the sports field are fully aware that there is an audience and that the commentator is influencing what they perceive is happening.
Players can’t be cheats or assholes for very long, or without the commentators looking the other way and not get backlash from at least half the audience.
Yeah, it’s particularly bad at the presidential level as most votes just don’t matter. People talk about “if you stayed home this is your fault” but it (for the presidential vote specifically) really is pointless for like 70% of the population who lives somewhere that’s solidly one way or the other. I voted in the last election but all my representatives were decided in the primary and my vote for Harris was useless because whether she wins my state by 10% or 30% doesn’t matter.
It was a fine first draft, but technology has changed and we’ve figured out better systems of government in the last 250 years.
Was the expansion of ICE under Biden connected to the centrist delusion that if democrats take these kinds of actions they will bring people from the far right to the left?
May as well off yourself or go into the streets and start shooting if that is your mentality and you think it’s too late to do anything.