Both macOS and Windows are the same thing: Proprietary garbage
Only one of them is UNIX.
I think macOS is more like quality garbage. There’s actual development happening there. It’s still garbage, but you know. It’s garbage that stray cats would eat
I wouldn’t feed it to strays. it’s like poisoned sausages that animal control uses. it looks and smells good, so the desperate fools think they can fill their starving bellies… only to get locked into a death spiral.
apple, google and Microsoft are all perfect examples of what happens when you mix a lack of ethics with people desperate for anything that isn’t junk.
Me being an iOS user and Linux user be like
Same
I’m an iOS user too. I’d switch the day there’s a nice little Android smartphone that’s compatible with a Google-free OS (and by “little,” I mean under 5.8 inches, I don’t have giant hands).
See, I like iOS because it integrates with my work laptop of a MacBook Pro. I don’t need to fiddle with my phone anymore and all texts just come through my laptop.
But also, I like tinkering/programming stuff on my time. iOS just works for the most part.
But it would be nice to not be giving money to corpo tech.
But I mean, really, it’s all in what software you use. I used iOS with Linux for a while with KDE and KDE Connect along with Tailscale to connect the two with amazing results. Its not all bad. I like Android + Linux better, but iOS + Linux is definitely doable, at least it’s not iOS + Windows.
When I can finally get a Motorola Graphene phones, iOS is gone.
Idk if it’s going to be signed then. If it is and graphene passes at least some layers of the BS Play Integrity API, then it would be perfect
Doesn’t play integrity make you feel “safer”?
I have both lol
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I literally don’t do any finance on my phone at all. This image is qualified
My bank has a website I can use to bank through, I dont even need an app.
The whole issue with banking apps must seem strange to people in some countries, and make perfect sense to people in other countries. My whole country rely on a 2FA app made by the banks. It’s in every aspect of society. Buying a bus ticket, booking a time for health care, doing taxes, applying for an apartment, signing contracts, all done with the same banking app. Only people with stallmanesque convictions manage without, with lots of effort. So far that app works on e/os/ and GrapheneOS, but not regular desktop Linux.
What do people without smartphones (like the elderly) do?
They have smartphones, unless they are so old that they don’t need it.
Many of the elderly don’t know how to use their phones well, but most (from my experience, not actual data) can use BankID without issue because it’s simple to use. Before BankID they used much fussier code-based authenticators, so I think most people old enough to remember that are happy for modern convenience.
But a lot of web- and app-based services are less accessible for them. Finding out the bus times, navigating health services, and paying bills are often not available through traditional low-tech means. They also have the problem of not understanding why their old phone suddenly doesn’t work anymore. (They just took down the 2G network, for instance, and BankID no longer supports Android 9 and lower, if I’m remembering the right version.)
On most public transport nowadays it’s impossible to buy a ticket while boarding, but there isn’t so much as an automated ticket machine anywhere anymore. There are very nice customer service centers at central stations, but that doesn’t help the people trying to get to the central station.
There are a lot of problems, but I don’t think BankID is causing the most egregious ones. It’s a problem if you can’t access online banking because you can’t use the software to log in, but it’s even more of a problem if you don’t have the alternative of physical banking because society is cashless. It should be made more possible to live without digital services and smartphones even though I personally enjoy them.
Oh, that’s a terrifying single point of failure.
I agree, and it’s run by private companies who could just shut it down or use it in evil ways. Our government is maybe making a state owned solution, but it will take time.
If you’re in Sweden you’ll be glad to know Sverige-ID is coming this December.
Aha, didn’t know that, thanks. I hope it will work with free operating systems.
2FA is the opposite of a single point of failure though. In order to impersonate you someone has to have access to your authentication device and your master password. There are no passwords to remember or get leaked/stolen, and you still have traditional identification and a physical backup in the form of codes or an authentication device.
In Sweden it’s like a minute of your time to set up a new phone, or at worst a trip to the bank if you lost your authenticator.
It also has a screen showing what information or authorization is being requested so that it’s much harder to get scammed.
I think they meant that the single app by all banks can go down through backend crash, buggy/malicious app update, etc.
I guess, but I’ve gone without BankID for about month previously. (It was my own fault for procrastinating multiple things.) You don’t need it; it’s just very convenient.
I’m having difficulty envisioning a malicious update. There’s a lot of transparency and regulations.
Ah right, that makes sense. If it were like upi or pix, and had single point of failure, it would have been scary.
This is terrible for disabled people.
I’m having trouble imagining how this makes anything more difficult than a traditional password setup. Can you please explain?
I know there’s issues surrounding its use, but solving those issues involves changing other policies, not getting rid of e-identification. For example, allowing someone to access their medical records in person instead of demanding they use the website, a problem which would persist with a username and password.
I recently got back to my country. They have e-id. I opened an account. Got paid. My phone broke. Signing up to the app requires a computer with an e-id reader. I use it once every couple of years. It took me ages to find one. Only to realize the stupid browser extension wasn’t working with linux. At the end I had to go to the stupid city hall. I’m disabled. I would rather use my personal passphrase. What seems easy to you may not be for everybody. I hate it here. Everything is bureaucratic, security first so that the already rich banker doesn’t loose 20 euros to fraudster, nothing it adapted, everything is loud and complicated and annoying.
I meant single point of failure as in, if the service gets interrupted you’re locked out of alot of shit you need until it comes back up.
The trade offs may be worth it, because overall that seems pretty useful.
It’s a pain in the ass if you don’t have access for whatever reason, yeah. A lot of that could be alleviated by government policies though. I don’t think it should be legal for public services to refer you to their website or app when you’re asking for help in-person. There’s also no laws against businesses refusing cash, and the banks keep removing ATMs, so it’s getting harder to manage without relying on a phone. I like e-ID, but I don’t like removing traditional human interaction. Kind of like how I love 5G cellphones and hate that they keep removing services like landlines and 2G. Low-tech is vital sometimes.
Linux: I run the bank
z/OS: No, you don’t.
Linux users sampling self-hosting options
Most bank apps work on Sailfish OS via Android App Support. Some don’t.
I’m disabled. Android and iOS have terrible accessibility. And so do banks
Not surprising to see the genapos have bad take lmao
You make a lot of assumptions about me for someone who doesn’t know me.
I do. I’m your daddy.
You could call once in a while you know? Mum is worried about you
My father’s been dead for years.
He killed himself minutes after he shot my mother.
Really?
Sorry about that, just wanted to pull your legs
Banks website works.
My bank uses 2fA where if used in a browser it wants me to scan a QR code on the screen with another app on my phone… I need a very complicated set of mirrors for that to work…
Get a different bank. That is rookie shit.
On the subject of banks, some cuntey banks only provide two options: app and in-person visits. So if you live out of state and the app doesn’t work for you on your version of Android, you’re fucked
Banks in my country don’t even do in person anymore. I hate these fucks
That’s so they can pass on the savings to you, right?
Right?
Yes, bankers are notoriously generous people who just like to give stuff for free
iOS is the mobile os. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
iOS is a mobile OS
I think they mean this meme would make more sense if it said MacOS.
iOS is just a more UNIX, better designed, Windows. Closed OS of American big tech. If you are choosing between those two masters, go for it. But if you don’t want to be a serf to US big tech, or want to get the most out of old hardware, come find FOSS. It’s a far healthlier relationship.
On which handheld device do I run this majestic FreeBSD?
Oh you just know people has put NetBSD on a phone. Doubt it’s been done with a GUI though.
iOS is the iphone OS, which is extremely locked down
macOS (Apple’s desktop OS) is something completely different (although probably with similar internals)
It is composed of code derived from NeXTSTEP, FreeBSD[3] and other BSD operating systems
Which is why I sometimes call macOS “NonfreeBSD”
And Windows is “NonfreeBS”
PlayStations and god knows what is some closed BSD. Apple are not alone in eating the BSD free lunch and giving very little back for it. Kind of the point of the license. It’s why Linux took over in most places, you can’t just take because of the GPL.
i want ios to perish
iOS is fine. I fucking hate apple, but iOS is a baby gate that protects (metaphorically) undeveloped minds from getting into danger…
…he says while leashed to his android phone…
IOS users hate Windows. Linux users hate Microsoft.
I don’t hate Microsoft, I hate nonfree software. I happily use free software developed by Microsoft, eg VSCodium.
I even avoid that, because of their EEE past. Also because if I’m going to run something as heavy as VSCodium, I might as well run Jetbrains IDEs which I personally find more ergonomic. Nonfree software, sure, but I like them as a company generally.
I like the JetBrains IDEs too from a purely practical perspective, but I would still rather use FOSS VSCodium than a nonfree JetBrains IDE. Those that are FOSS are a different story.
I switched to Linux because I hate Windows. I also dislike Microsoft, but I would have tolerated them like I tolerate my health insurance company if they didn’t make the UX increasingly terrible.
I could have installed iOS but Linux is more reliable for gaming afaik, and iOS may start enshittifying at any moment.
On what device were you going to install iOS on?
on my laptop yk
I use iOS (tablet), Android (phone), Linux (main), MacOS (music and media), and Windows (corporate client support). Of the bunch, I only hate Windows.
MacOS is a fine SSH terminal to my Linux boxes. Really it’s just that Macbooks are somehow so much better than every other laptop. I always have a cheap Linux laptop as well for reasons and activities, but for actual work all of the annoying things about MacOS are well worth the hardware ergonomics.
Fuck that ai artist watermark
FTFY
iOS users were *nix users 15 years before linux was actually usable
Classic Mac OS was not unix like. Mac OS X, which was based on NeXTSTEP was. But that came out in like 2001.
iOS came out in 07
Shit, I’m still waiting for the day macos (I assume that is what we are actually talking about here) is usable.
iOS is not unix like, stop spreading misinformation
Correct.
IOS is based on Mac OS, which is certified unix.
what
iOS is a fork of MacOS, which is actually UNIX
in any self respecting independent posix benchmark MacOS is almost always leading or at least in the top 10% at being the worst one(s) in posix compatibility, iOS completely hides all and any UNIX-like userspace to the end user, MacOS hasn’t cared about posix compatibility and unix-likeness more than enough to get a cert to claim posix compatibility and ships outdated versions of many CLI utils and many things in which although outside of POSIX are expected to be in a certain way in unix-like OS which MacOS simply doesnt follow or care at all (e.g basic FHS, /home etc…)
I was playing WoW on linux long before the iphone was a twinkle in steve jobs’s eye.
WoW was introduced in 04 or 05 and the first iPhone was 07 depending on how you trace iPhone lineage that’s not exactly correct.
If we trace iPhone back via PDA’s we have to start talking Newton which was out by the early to mid 90’s so it predates Steve’s return so it was definitely a twinkle in his eyes.
I used Gentoo in that timeframe and it wasn’t exactly a simple process to get any Linux running on a laptop (desktops were different I’m sure) which is why I used Gentoo. I figured if I was going to have to search and compile shit I might as well compile the whole thing.
PDAs are not “SmartPhones”. if we want to go that route, we can trace the first “Smart Phone” to the Berkley Unix “Mobile Phone Device”.
iPhone was the first to market, but to get there required them pushing vendors into exclusivity agreements and Steve Jobs threatening to “flatten Thier companies, in court” if they backed out and refused.
Steve was very biligerent to his friends and allies. shrewd, like a dictator, not like a general. if he didn’t like your descent he would steamroll over you. he would make promises all the time to his staff, to get them to work harder on projects, just to peacemeal them and shoehorn them into weaker projects that would make customers dependent and demand more.
what Steve jobs did best, is know how to make a cult and exploit the desire for “if only it could do ‘X’ it would be perfect”.
don’t take my word for It. his business partners said the same thing… they begged him to come back as he sabotaged them externally when they tried to improve…
apple went through a period where they genuinely were improving. they sold Thier software and hardware to third parties to make Thier own versions…
but then Steve jobs went and sabotaged them, got a massive amount of bad press for apple to make them appear weak, and put the 2 final nails in the coffin.
he pushed software vendors to support m$ and next step more.
then he went to apples suppliers and made it for it was even more difficult for them to develop in-house hardware to compete with third parties…
all of this, so they would start to go bankrupt so Steve could ride in on his white horse going “See, you should of stuck with my vision”. then Steve goes and pushes for restrictive hardware with a architecture change so third party models would be obsolete, clones pc-clones from asia (mostly JVC/nec) which were exploring with transparent plastics and still tried to shovel next step to everyone…
If not PDA how do you trace the history of smart phones?
by the first device intended to run full applications from external developers and interact with a active web.
this even puts palm, blackberry and early windows mobile devices barely outside of the cutoff sadly. they simply weren’t designed for the “extensions” people used to make them bridge into becoming a “smart phone”.
most of that list also is post-iphone/iPod too, which makes it kinda moot.
it’s kinda why windows phone, iOS and Android are treated as the “first” of their kind. as that was Thier intent from the start.
OS9 and prior were cool, though. You could play all the old Bungie games.
Explain
If someone tells you they’re an iOS user, there’s a 99% chance they use Apple products and a 1% chance they’re a network admin.
yeah, i use IOS
Hate having an iPhone but we need it to keep in contact with family, it can never connect with KDE/Linux very well.
