So if you defend yourself from these savages… how would a jury hold that up in court WITHOUT A REASONABLE DOUBT!!!
Jury nullification would be in the rise if this ever actually ended up in court.
This would be interesting in the stand your ground and open carry states. Unmarked car pulls into a driveway, unidentifiable armed masked goons jump out and they run straight into a hornets nest.
“Interesting” is one way to put it. In reality anyone who practices and abides by these established doctrines to protect their freedoms will be tried for treason because they dared stand up to the undercover gestapo.
This is why they only harass blue states. ICE wouldn’t dare pull this shit in Texas. So many of them would get shot simply for stepping on someone’s property.
Ironically that makes them easier to identify.
Easier to identify that they’re ICE but still impossible to make a complaint or hold anyone accountable.
Yeah it’s a fascist country, and that’s not a figure of speech. What could happen, they are backed by the army, thw FBI, the president, the supreme court. Seriously american leftist friends, run while you can, it will get worse, they will come after you.
They can come and get it. This is our county too. I ain’t going anywhere.
And go where?
Run with what skills and money?
This is what th 2nd amendment was written for.
If you see a van or SUV without plates please call the cops on them.
Are cops allowed to protect their citizens from these guys?
I mean today ICE even tear gassed a bunch of Chicago cops who were trying to clear a path out for them. The ICE thugs are cowards and will turn on local police in a heartbeat. (See also capitol police beaten on Jan 6.)
Sauce? Wanna see this
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The driver answers
Theoretically, what would happen if an armed US citizen was confused or scared and thought he was being kidnapped. The perpetrators refused to identify, and he shot and killed them. They weren’t dressed properly and were trying to put him in an unmarked, unlicensed vehicle.
The muppets in the Federal government are trying their hardest to make this occur so they can try and find some loophole to go ahead with their martial law plans to arrest all the people they don’t like that week. What we’re likely seeing is mature restraint on behalf of firearm owners.
Some years back, the quote was something like, “as soon as you discharge your weapon, you are looking at spending at least $10,000 from legal fees” (if you don’t have firearm insurance and/or if it would even be applicable) - that number is probably tenfold now. Not to mention the very likely personal harm others have mentioned.
Legal fees or not, being dead is pretty hard to come back from.
That would be clear self-defense, but they would be jailed for life in El Salvador or some shit nonetheless because rule of law is crumbling in this country
Oh, no. They would be shot.
It’s bound to happen eventually, so we’ll find out
honest answer: they will be shot and killed in return. in the rare case they are not killed they will be given the most lacking “proper trial” possible. even in castle doctrine states with no obligation to retreat, things like the 2nd amendment are only really (in effect) applicable on a civilian to civilian case. The state will always “extra judicially” take care to shock and awe in retaliation. cf: philly move bombing, waco, and the recent bombing of “drug runner boats” in international waters.
That is the answer, and I don’t think confusion would play any part here.
If the kidnapping victim in this scenario somehow survives, they’ll surely be held in custody pending trial. When it comes to legal firearm use, they would need to make the case that A) they reasonably felt in imminent danger for their lives, and B) that they acted to eliminate the threat. Even in an ideal world where a jury acquits them, they still get to live with “I killed someone”.
If you’re carrying, you have to have already been doing everything right before any incident where you are forced to eliminate a threat to your person. If you did anything provocative, you’re fucked. After the threat is eliminated, you need to stop shooting, because if you take any harmful action after threats have been eliminated, you’re fucked.
But the fact is that if you’re in that situation, where you have to draw and fire, there’s going to be multiple people (threats) on you. The odds that you are able to eliminate all of those threats before being killed yourself are low.
Self defense applies to other selves, as well. Not just your unique self. It extends to other people. Meaning YOU don’t have to be the one in danger.
Depends on the laws of the specific state.
Yes this is true. It also adds an extra layer of “are you making the right decision”, so take extra care.
Justified and legal in Indiana: https://www.purduegloballawschool.edu/blog/news/indiana-stand-your-ground-law
again: this won’t apply if you’re dead. or if the state has sufficient desire to ignore the law and case history.
Beats a death camp.
That’s next
Well I don’t think they’d bring a corpse to a death camp
Sure they would. Crematoriums can be used as power or heat sources for those willing to hold their noses.
Even if they aren’t slaughtered on the spot, they would become a most-wanted fugitive and their normal life would be over. Kristi Noem would be proud to announce on Fox that the standing orders for the manhunt were to shoot them dead on sight. They would have to hide in the woods or some other concealed place and at least be familiar with SERE concepts if they wanted to survive another 72 hours.
The van and the ppl have no record of ever existing 🤷🏻♂️
Well great, cause I suddenly can’t remember ever firing my gun, must have just lost some ammo while walking around.
That’s irresponsible. I never loaded my gun this morning. I was bringing it to the shop to try a new sight
Just shooting some vermin
That is a workable strategy. Outnumber, execute them quickly, throw the bodies in the car and torch it. Shows others the consequences of their actions, sends a message.
However, it is escalation. Next time there are more. Maybe in an APC.
Expect an escalated response.
Sporting the kidnapper look even more on point. Ask them the secret word or run
Pull them over on sight
Citizens arrest! Citizens arrest!
pullrun
That still leaves the VIN at the drivers side dashboard
But what does that get us? This is secret police in 2025. Masked, unmarked, unidentifiable and kidnapping people to unknown and untraceable locations. Often just straight out of the country. How is this not a bigger deal
If not covered up.
If you see a vehicle with no license plates & it’s doing anything even remotely unusual (speeding, driving erratically, etc) then call 911 and report it. If it’s driving erratically then tell 911 that you’re concerned the driver could be drunk etc. given the behavior you’re witnessing.
“Driving without license plates” is unusual.
in some places, but not where i live.
…that is definitely not legal. Or you’re talking about another country for some reason.
Where I live, in order to push back against racist cops harassing minorities with trivial traffic stops we pretty much outlawed the concept of a traffic stop. Now people drive without license plates all the time to avoid tolls and literally nothing can be done about it. The pendulum has swung too far in the other direction here. Now we just have racist cops and unaccountable criminals.
altima on the 240 loop?
Still illegal af
Yep I see at least 5 plateless vehicles a day on my way to and from work. No temp plates either.
This article talked about how what ICE was doing was illegal, but didn’t ask anyone on the police force if they’d enforce the law against them.
Federal takes precedence don’t they? Agencies are supposed to succeed jurisdiction to the highest authority, and Fed>state.
Federal doesn’t really allow them to do anything* they want. States actually have laws in place laying out when federal law enforcement can act. My state only allows them arrest powers in felony level crimes, as an example. If they really wanted to push back, they could cause quite the little row. Another example is driving without a driver’s license. My state explicitly allows certain individuals to drive without one, such as military members. Even if you’re a federale, that doesn’t let you do whatever you want.**
*barring our current bitches in the feds not caring about what laws they break, and no one holding them accountable
**again, current practice is to seemingly ignore anything limiting actions
sure it can take precedence, but they need to be able to show federal id to the cops to get that pass.
When they got pulled over, they would. Why are you assuming they wouldn’t?
That’d be great. The cop’s body cam footage would be FOIA’d in a heartbeat.
Also, every minute they’re explaining to the cops who they are is a minute they’re not causing havoc in the community.
They would, sure (if they remembered to bring it). Then ideally, in 5-10 minutes, they’ll have to do it again with another cop.
Precisely. I’d love to see this enforced like it’s ticket quota time at the end of the month.
IANAL but the precedence means that federal laws supercede state laws in the case of a conflict or ambiguity. It doesn’t (legally) mean feds can just do whatever the fuck they want with no interference from state LE.
Now, maybe there’s a federal law that says certain federal vehicles don’t require license plates. In that case, the federal law could override state laws requiring them. I have no idea if that’s the case though.
As someone already mentioned, federal takes precedence when there’s a conflict between the laws. Federal agents don’t just have immunity from local law. They still get arrested when driving drunk, even if they’re on the job at the time.
At this rate how are they are touching close to being considered like the klan for kidnapping people in the night, since there is 0 form of way of identifying who is taking people anymore. Threading the worst kinds of water right now
Close to? When are we going to stop diluting and sane washing what’s happening BEFORE OUR VERY EYES?? If this exact same thing happened in one of them colored people countries everyone would be calling this a military dictatorship.
“We” the collective population will never admit that. We were raised to believe that we are the good guys and the benchmark of freedom. Tyranny is something done by other people, different people, who aren’t good like us.
So when 1,200 detainees disappear from one of our concentration camps, “we” can just tell ourselves they were probably JUST deported without due process. Or maybe it’s just burocratic handoffs without a transparent paper trail. Surely none of them died in custody… We’re all sure of that… Right?
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