What I said was there is entirely the possibility of “Oops! His body went to the furnace instead”, or “oh no! The body was mishandled and fell”, or a whole variety of other things.
Off the top of my head, I can recall cases where:
The body is sent to the wrong place
The wrong body is sent to the right place
Bodies not kept at temperature and then sent for cremation
Bodies suffered damage due to falling down stairs
Mishandling of bodies and reporting with the specific intent to cover up crimes (CA Sheriffs office, I remember this one distinctly, because they were protecting cops)
I’m saying its not a guarantee until the body of this kid ends up with the family, and given the history in this particular area… I have little to no trust of those involved.
What I said was there is entirely the possibility of “Oops! His body went to the furnace instead”, or “oh no! The body was mishandled and fell”, or a whole variety of other things.
I mean, there’s a possibility that Mossad killed Charlie Kirk. And sure, if something happens that leads towards that conclusion then it’ll be extremely revealing about whether or not that’s a reasonable conclusion.
IDK what type of argument you’re looking to have here which leads you to keep repeatedly emphasizing your side of this thing, but I am planning to stop now on my side. Have a blessed day.
Fair enough. I didn’t misunderstand anything, I just wasn’t real overt about responding to it directly I guess.
As I see it, there are two possibilities:
They give the body back to the family and the legs are fine
They give it but the legs are broken, or they cremate it first, or they refuse to give it back, or basically anything other than that first thing
In the second case, there’s fuckery by the coroner. In the first case, there’s not (which of course doesn’t mean he wasn’t lynched of course). I just don’t get how trust for the coroner or police needs to enter into that equation in any capacity. Sure, if they fuck with the body or have some ridiculous excuse for why the legs were broken, then it also means that the coroner is dirty and trying a coverup for some horrendous reason. But it’s not like the original question is going to stay as an unknowable thing.
People have this kind of knee-jerk “the system is going to lie about everything” reaction which sometimes makes them kind of throw up their hands on the concept of every getting to the bottom of anything, and I think that’s insidious, especially when they start inserting all kinds of speculation and saying it’s a possibility so who knows. We’re going to be able to tell if his legs were broken or not with a pretty high degree of certainty at some point in the pretty near future. I feel like it’s good to hold onto that ability to make sense of the world instead of retreating into nihilism and just assuming everyone’s probably lying and giving up. Doesn’t that make some sense?
In the second case, there’s fuckery by the coroner.
I don’t think gross incompetence would be entirely unexpected! But it would put really heavy lean into the ‘fuckery’ bucket, definitely.
People have this kind of knee-jerk “the system is going to lie about everything” reaction which sometimes makes them kind of throw up their hands on the concept of every getting to the bottom of anything
I understand, and I wasn’t saying that so much as “Ugh, I really hope this doesn’t get handled poorly”. What I was saying - for clarity - is there is a long history of racism there and enough is off about this to make me put on my “worried” hat. That I would feel more assured about how this would be handled if there were more trustworthy folks involved, but thats unfortunately not an option given the current administration, instead needing to wait not just for the coroner to finish, but for the family to receive his body and have the unpleasant experience of potentially needing to get their own specialist to take a look.
Even just the prospect of a family needing to verify the report is an upsetting reality.
I understood entirely.
What I said was there is entirely the possibility of “Oops! His body went to the furnace instead”, or “oh no! The body was mishandled and fell”, or a whole variety of other things.
Off the top of my head, I can recall cases where:
I’m saying its not a guarantee until the body of this kid ends up with the family, and given the history in this particular area… I have little to no trust of those involved.
I mean, there’s a possibility that Mossad killed Charlie Kirk. And sure, if something happens that leads towards that conclusion then it’ll be extremely revealing about whether or not that’s a reasonable conclusion.
IDK what type of argument you’re looking to have here which leads you to keep repeatedly emphasizing your side of this thing, but I am planning to stop now on my side. Have a blessed day.
I wasn’t having an argument.
I agreed with you. And then I said I have little trust in those responsible for handling things, making it a concern.
Then you seemed to completely misunderstand what I said, so I clarified.
Not everything is an argument, sometimes a comment is just additional thoughts.
Fair enough. I didn’t misunderstand anything, I just wasn’t real overt about responding to it directly I guess.
As I see it, there are two possibilities:
In the second case, there’s fuckery by the coroner. In the first case, there’s not (which of course doesn’t mean he wasn’t lynched of course). I just don’t get how trust for the coroner or police needs to enter into that equation in any capacity. Sure, if they fuck with the body or have some ridiculous excuse for why the legs were broken, then it also means that the coroner is dirty and trying a coverup for some horrendous reason. But it’s not like the original question is going to stay as an unknowable thing.
People have this kind of knee-jerk “the system is going to lie about everything” reaction which sometimes makes them kind of throw up their hands on the concept of every getting to the bottom of anything, and I think that’s insidious, especially when they start inserting all kinds of speculation and saying it’s a possibility so who knows. We’re going to be able to tell if his legs were broken or not with a pretty high degree of certainty at some point in the pretty near future. I feel like it’s good to hold onto that ability to make sense of the world instead of retreating into nihilism and just assuming everyone’s probably lying and giving up. Doesn’t that make some sense?
I don’t think gross incompetence would be entirely unexpected! But it would put really heavy lean into the ‘fuckery’ bucket, definitely.
I understand, and I wasn’t saying that so much as “Ugh, I really hope this doesn’t get handled poorly”. What I was saying - for clarity - is there is a long history of racism there and enough is off about this to make me put on my “worried” hat. That I would feel more assured about how this would be handled if there were more trustworthy folks involved, but thats unfortunately not an option given the current administration, instead needing to wait not just for the coroner to finish, but for the family to receive his body and have the unpleasant experience of potentially needing to get their own specialist to take a look.
Even just the prospect of a family needing to verify the report is an upsetting reality.