On the job? Nearly 100% of the people being targeted in this pogrom commented on their own accounts on their own time on behalf of nobody but themselves. Many, if not most, of the people being targeted did not even advocate for violence, but commented on Kirk’s horrific and vile rhetoric or well documented, often recorded, statements.
Because we live in a dystopian capitalist hellscape where we are chattel for feudalist corporate overlords, we can have our livelihoods and homes and lives taken away at a moments notice for daring to speak out against our violent, dishonest, greedy fascist oppressors. This is the very outcome Kirk would have wanted, the sick, Goebbels-like nazi that he was. I’m sure he would have delighted in all the pain and suffering and injustice that resulted from his slaying.
Everyone fired over this needs to hire a lawyer and that lawyer needs to go through all the social media posts of the other employees and see what was said when George Floyd died, and every other well publicized death or attempted murder of non MAGA people, and see if there were similar firings over comments made.
I’m willing to bet there weren’t and a good lawyer can use that for a nice settlement for these clients.
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Did the idiot who wants to kill the homeless get fired?
Well they work for fox news and chances are they wouldn’t fire somebody for saying that. The person apologized surprisingly for saying that though.
None of the people who regularly say god awful things about Americans everyday will ever get in trouble. The right constantly calls for violence and when they get what they want they say it is the left’s fault. It is a fucking joke for sure.
These are legitimately funny. Really picking the best ones to highlight. “Ashley Creekbaum allegedly commented on Instagram: “I think he should be forced to carry that bullet in his body. That bullet has a right to be there because it’s a gift from god.””
This is a great example of how we don’t live in a democracy for a large portion of our waking life. Our workplace isn’t a democracy, unless we are really lucky.
unless you fight to make it so, for the unions make us strong.
any reply regarding “anti union laws” should keep in that I’ll reply that it means we need to fight more.
On the one hand this is how it’s supposed to work. Free speech as a legal concept in the U.S. only protects you from the government…
…on the other hand it would be really helpful if there were a list of companies that were firing folks for being critical of Charlie Kirk…
…you know…for reasons…
Probably easier to compile a list of those supporting free speech. Spoiler alert: there’s not many.
That’s what free speech is around the world, not just in America.
But “Free Speech” is often referred to as though it is some magical incantation in the USA. It may be my ignorance, but I haven’t come across anything to imply it’s seen that way in other countries.
Freedom of speech is often conflated with non-discrimination.
i.e. A grocery store clerk mentioning politics om the job. In a non-“at-will” state and with a non-disgusting contract between employee and employer, the employer never comes under “Free speech” violations, but discrimination ones.
Even in such a mix of specific circumstances (the state, the employee and the employer being sane rule-wise), there’d still need to be a counterexample - i.e. would the same happen if the person held a slightly different belief or posessed a slightly different shade of skin, set of chromosomes or some other discriminator.
It’s a higher ask than a “Free Speech” card, but it is a protection. (Some restrictions may apply).
Thr UK has the same thing as America. Australia on the other hand, for example, doesn’t have as many of those rights. https://legalclarity.org/does-australia-have-freedom-of-speech/
Free speech is protection from the government. People, especially here on Lenny it seems, (not saying you personally, just in general) have a highly gross misunderstanding of the basic law when they claim free speech is anything else.
The US being a younger nation is probably why you hear it more from Americans. Our rights are new, relative to the most of the world. Plus US culture is everywhere.
Thr UK has the same thing as America
Do they? I wasn’t actually sure. I thought the government was cracking down on anti-genocide speech.
Basically the same.
The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), signed on 4 November 1950, guarantees a broad range of human rights to inhabitants of member countries of the Council of Europe, which includes almost all European nations. These rights include Article 10, which entitles all citizens to free expression. Echoing the language of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights this provides that:
Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises
UK is not In the eu.
No kidding.
So where does the clampdown on anti-genocide speech land wrt this?
On the one hand this is how it’s supposed to work.
Why? You think it’s ideal that your livelihood is dependent on holding whatever the majority opinion of the day is?
Yeah Facebook posts have been getting people fired for years. Just a few weeks ago someone at my job got fired for talking shit about the company on Facebook along with posting pictures. They framed it as he was fired for having his phone on him when it’s supposed to be in your locker, but obviously it wasn’t that.
There’s a difference between the legal concept as it relates to the constitution and the broader ethical principle on which the first amendment was based.
We can still talk about the ideal of free speech outside of the government. In fact, this ties into the myth of “free enterprise” which suggests that everything companies do is about freedom but everything the government does is about tyranny. This is obviously nonsense but we’re so indoctrinated to it that we rarely question it fully.
I mean, the only one that I could agree with is the Marine that was fired. Sorry but UCMJ has it’s own very specific code for politics and limited free speech rights because military.
The rest, kind absolute BS, especially the Texas coach but honestly, when do we say enough is enough and people actually fight back and do unto others here? You know that every time something like this happens, Hortman was a good example, the Right goes on a celebration spree and there are never any consequences because the “Left” never plays Calvinball witht hem.
Is the “lethal injection for the homeless people” guy fired yet?
He apparently apologized, though I have not read what exactly he said.
“When someone show you who they really are, you should believe them”.
General advice:
- Get off Facebook.
- Learn what “tit for tat” is.
- Don’t talk with the police.
STUPID People! If they DIDNT want to Be Fired they SHOULD have just Publicly held The SAME Views as Charlie and told people that GAYS AND TRANNIES AND BLACKIES AND MEXICANTS deserve to DIE HORRIBLE PAINFUL DEATHS VIA Public Execution! THEN their Jobs would be SAFE!
If they DIDNT want to Be Fired they SHOULD have just Publicly held The SAME Views as Charlie
I’m so confused. Is it okay to support political violence or not? Are we firing people for supporting Trump and Kirk now?
BigMacHole is famously a MAGAposting parody account
The hell is a parody account?
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I know, I was riffing off of it. The answer is that it’s all hypocrisy.
The right really are a bunch of snowflakes.
You are free to agree with the Nazi but not question his motives.
