Luz shares her apartment with her husband, also from Mexico and also undocumented. They met in America. He works in a bar. They have a young daughter who was born in America and is therefore a US citizen.
Ok. I’m not from the US and thought this was obvious. Is anyone in favor of undocumented or illegal immigrants? I thought the actual problem was deportations with no trials. It seems obvious no one should support illegal immigration. I think instead you should support allowing more people to inmigrate
It ia more nuanced than that. What makes immigration “illegal” is incredibly arbitrary and inconsistent as a matter of both practice AND law in the USA. Moreover, there are many who believe, as I do, that people have a right to try making a home wherever they are. Where immigration is a problem, it isn’t an immigration problem but rather a collapse of existing broken aspects of the society–the immigration pressure just brings these failings to light.
The problem is that system changes arbitrarily from one administration to the next, and people who thought they were protected suddenly find themselves unprotected, and then some clown comes along, and just starts throwing out people who thought they were safe for YEARS.
Even Ronald Reagan was able to come up with a fairly reasonable program to deal with the issue at the time, but the current MAGA Nazis literally take pleasure in oppressing people, and undocumented people are easy, low hanging fruit.
There have been all sorts of asylum programs, DACA, pathways to citizenship, etc. Trump recently cancelled a program that was protecting 200,000 people from countries like Venezuela. Many people were recruited into the military with the false promise that serving in the military would protect them. Many, many people have legitimately thought they were here under the protection of one program or another, only to have it end, and replaced by a new one.
Now, even people with Green Cards, or even CITIZENSHIP, are being scrutinized. Even Birthright Citizenship is being questioned. Rubio today announced that they will remove passports of AMERICAN citizens who criticize the administration. It seems even actual American citizens aren’t even safe.
Just because the Conservative Propaganda Machine doesn’t tell you about it, and you are too ignorant to look into it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Stop thinking like a MAGA Nazi Traitor, and start thinking like an American.
There have been all sorts of asylum programs, DACA, pathways to citizenship, etc. Trump recently cancelled a program that was protecting 200,000 people from countries like Venezuela. Many people were recruited into the military with the false promise that serving in the military would protect them. Many, many people have legitimately thought they were here under the protection of one program or another, only to have it end, and replaced by a new one.
Also Afghans who previously were fighting off the Taliban alongside US troops, had to get out and try getting asylum, but now seen as unwanted, to be cuffed by ICE and thrown back to Kabul to be possibly imprisoned or executed.
No, illegal not so much - but the system is fucking broken and it leaves a lot of situations ambiguous. Also the current regime is racial profiling so it doesn’t even matter if you’re a citizen.
I can simultaneously support a better immigration process and system - and also say that illegality is illegality - BUT ALSO say that people should be treated like people and given the circumstances be afforded certain rights and procedures that are civil.
But we’re getting none of that and we need billionaires and corporations and current leadership to fear us.
Ok. I’m not from the US and thought this was obvious. Is anyone in favor of undocumented or illegal immigrants? I thought the actual problem was deportations with no trials. It seems obvious no one should support illegal immigration. I think instead you should support allowing more people to inmigrate
It ia more nuanced than that. What makes immigration “illegal” is incredibly arbitrary and inconsistent as a matter of both practice AND law in the USA. Moreover, there are many who believe, as I do, that people have a right to try making a home wherever they are. Where immigration is a problem, it isn’t an immigration problem but rather a collapse of existing broken aspects of the society–the immigration pressure just brings these failings to light.
I’m in favor of fuck all borders.
The problem is that system changes arbitrarily from one administration to the next, and people who thought they were protected suddenly find themselves unprotected, and then some clown comes along, and just starts throwing out people who thought they were safe for YEARS.
Even Ronald Reagan was able to come up with a fairly reasonable program to deal with the issue at the time, but the current MAGA Nazis literally take pleasure in oppressing people, and undocumented people are easy, low hanging fruit.
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There have been all sorts of asylum programs, DACA, pathways to citizenship, etc. Trump recently cancelled a program that was protecting 200,000 people from countries like Venezuela. Many people were recruited into the military with the false promise that serving in the military would protect them. Many, many people have legitimately thought they were here under the protection of one program or another, only to have it end, and replaced by a new one.
Now, even people with Green Cards, or even CITIZENSHIP, are being scrutinized. Even Birthright Citizenship is being questioned. Rubio today announced that they will remove passports of AMERICAN citizens who criticize the administration. It seems even actual American citizens aren’t even safe.
Just because the Conservative Propaganda Machine doesn’t tell you about it, and you are too ignorant to look into it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Stop thinking like a MAGA Nazi Traitor, and start thinking like an American.
Also Afghans who previously were fighting off the Taliban alongside US troops, had to get out and try getting asylum, but now seen as unwanted, to be cuffed by ICE and thrown back to Kabul to be possibly imprisoned or executed.
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I’ll take the bait.
No, illegal not so much - but the system is fucking broken and it leaves a lot of situations ambiguous. Also the current regime is racial profiling so it doesn’t even matter if you’re a citizen.
I can simultaneously support a better immigration process and system - and also say that illegality is illegality - BUT ALSO say that people should be treated like people and given the circumstances be afforded certain rights and procedures that are civil.
But we’re getting none of that and we need billionaires and corporations and current leadership to fear us.
There is no bait. 100% agree
Apparently that “innocent until proven guilty” was also a lie.
I need to stop reading. The fascists can’t allow rights that they can’t even read. The Constitution should have been written below a 6th grade level…
I had someone tell me “well. Innocent until proven guilty only applies for citizens. So proving that is on you”
I had someone say that too. That person is a former cop. But the 14th amendment very intentionally says “person”, not “citizen”.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv