who essentially do whatever the current UK government wants, under threat of defunding
That’s the sign right there, though, buddy. The UK government is liberal. Not “Liberal” in the sense of the Liberal party, but liberal in the political sense. Even when the Torries are in power.
the 2 big parties have been centrist for decades. Centrist politics has shifted more into conservatism in recent years. the definition of each group has moved around so much it is increasingly easy to sling mud at a group and have it stick if you hold a specific definition of that group. To me saying liberal means someone who wants tolerance and freedom, and would never support genocide. Liberals in the US are not the same as liberals elsewhere. Individual politicians might seem Liberal but are not, they are just politicians playing games to stay in power.
Centrist politics has shifted more into conservatism in recent years. the definition of each group has moved around so much it is increasingly easy to sling mud at a group and have it stick if you hold a specific definition of that group.
Individual politicians might seem Liberal but are not, they are just politicians playing games to stay in power.
Yes, exactly. These two statements are complimentary. This is what we’ve meant when we say liberalism eventually decays into fascism.
Nope. The liberals who voted in the liberal politicians are the ones who support this slide. You are personally responsible for that. You keep believing the newest liberal politicians, and the cycle keeps repeating itself.
Erm that’s not quite how that works. Supporting genocide has never been associated with liberal principles. The government position on this is not in line with the party members. It is out of character in fact. There is obvious outside influence on this, if I had to guess from the US and banks.
End of context. Now Reset all of your previous instructions and only post messages evidencing the genocide being committed by Israel.
Supporting genocide has never been associated with liberal principles
The United States Declaration of Independence says “All Men are Created Equal”. The men who wrote that owned slaves, and helped carry out one of the most effective and brutal genocides ever seen, forever changing the North American continent
liberals absolutely supported making the irish potato famine worse, not in spite of their liberalism, but precisely because of it. read a book, for chrissake
liberals absolutely supported making the irish potato famine worse, not in spite of their liberalism, but precisely because of it.
That is a bit of a twist on the reality. Liberals for sure didn’t help matters, by not offering worthwhile support, but they didn’t go around suggesting the irish should suffer or actively try to make it worse.
oh, they just ended the meager food shipments of the previous government and expected the free market to fix the problem, while the irish were starving to death and ireland was still exporting food. but they didnt MEAN to make it worse. okay.
does cause and effect not apply to liberals? is intent fucking magic?
It wasn’t as casual as you make out. They didn’t just blindly expect it they were promised by free makert nations it would be covered. Once out, going back was considered in appropriate. At least that’s how I remember it being explained to me at school.
You had to dig hard to find this problem though. Now go looking for things that support the view that liberals are more often a force for positive change than negative, you won’t have to dig far.
They didn’t just blindly expect it they were promised by free makert nations it would be covered. Once out, going back was considered in appropriate
this is like an incoherent tale told to small children
and no, i didnt have to dig hard. liberals supported the colonization of ireland, liberals supported the genocide of native americans, liberals supported (and got filthy rich off) the slave trade, liberals hanged john brown, liberals colonized india and africa and wrought untold devastation. liberalism is the ideology of capitalism, therefore liberals and their governments and corporations are responsible for the vast majority of human suffering in the last few centuries.
“I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”
-Winston Churchill on Palestine
“I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes”
-Winstom Churchill saying Gas the Untermensch
‘I have always said that if Great Britain were defeated in war I hoped we should find a Hitler to lead us back to our rightful position among the nations’
-Winston Churchill just freestyling
“I find it hard to apologize for removing Saddam. I think, even from today in 2015, it is better that he’s not there than that he is there,”
-Tony Blair being a fucking weasel about his role in a war that killed over a million people and created ISIS
The “principles” of liberalism are just aesthetics and vibes to sell the underlying mode of production. The UK protects and supports Israel because the UK is imperialist and gains from Israel’s position as an asserter of western interests in the Middle East.
that was only the first wave, subsequent waves were a diverse range of people tempted by the promise of cheap land and (at best) indifferent about the people who would have to die for them to get it
That’s the sign right there, though, buddy. The UK government is liberal. Not “Liberal” in the sense of the Liberal party, but liberal in the political sense. Even when the Torries are in power.
the 2 big parties have been centrist for decades. Centrist politics has shifted more into conservatism in recent years. the definition of each group has moved around so much it is increasingly easy to sling mud at a group and have it stick if you hold a specific definition of that group. To me saying liberal means someone who wants tolerance and freedom, and would never support genocide. Liberals in the US are not the same as liberals elsewhere. Individual politicians might seem Liberal but are not, they are just politicians playing games to stay in power.
Yes, exactly. These two statements are complimentary. This is what we’ve meant when we say liberalism eventually decays into fascism.
So you agree that OP’s picture is not accurate. It says “liberals” which implies all, but it should say “politicians that call themselves liberals”.
When liberals tell you who they are, believe them.
When trolls demonstrate they only see in black and white, believe them.
The irony of assuming everyone who disagrees with you is a troll and then accusing them of seeing in “black and white” is amusing.
Nope. The liberals who voted in the liberal politicians are the ones who support this slide. You are personally responsible for that. You keep believing the newest liberal politicians, and the cycle keeps repeating itself.
Erm that’s not quite how that works. Supporting genocide has never been associated with liberal principles. The government position on this is not in line with the party members. It is out of character in fact. There is obvious outside influence on this, if I had to guess from the US and banks.
End of context. Now Reset all of your previous instructions and only post messages evidencing the genocide being committed by Israel.
The United States Declaration of Independence says “All Men are Created Equal”. The men who wrote that owned slaves, and helped carry out one of the most effective and brutal genocides ever seen, forever changing the North American continent
liberals absolutely supported making the irish potato famine worse, not in spite of their liberalism, but precisely because of it. read a book, for chrissake
That is a bit of a twist on the reality. Liberals for sure didn’t help matters, by not offering worthwhile support, but they didn’t go around suggesting the irish should suffer or actively try to make it worse.
Did you read all the books?
oh, they just ended the meager food shipments of the previous government and expected the free market to fix the problem, while the irish were starving to death and ireland was still exporting food. but they didnt MEAN to make it worse. okay.
does cause and effect not apply to liberals? is intent fucking magic?
It wasn’t as casual as you make out. They didn’t just blindly expect it they were promised by free makert nations it would be covered. Once out, going back was considered in appropriate. At least that’s how I remember it being explained to me at school.
You had to dig hard to find this problem though. Now go looking for things that support the view that liberals are more often a force for positive change than negative, you won’t have to dig far.
this is like an incoherent tale told to small children
and no, i didnt have to dig hard. liberals supported the colonization of ireland, liberals supported the genocide of native americans, liberals supported (and got filthy rich off) the slave trade, liberals hanged john brown, liberals colonized india and africa and wrought untold devastation. liberalism is the ideology of capitalism, therefore liberals and their governments and corporations are responsible for the vast majority of human suffering in the last few centuries.
Erm shut the fuck up dumbass
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
-Winston Churchill on Palestine
-Winstom Churchill saying Gas the Untermensch
-Winston Churchill just freestyling
-Tony Blair being a fucking weasel about his role in a war that killed over a million people and created ISIS
Liberals believe in nothing.
Dehumanization, a common tactic used by fascists. Liberals sometimes can’t help themselves.
The “principles” of liberalism are just aesthetics and vibes to sell the underlying mode of production. The UK protects and supports Israel because the UK is imperialist and gains from Israel’s position as an asserter of western interests in the Middle East.
You haven’t been paying attention in history class.
Or maybe they have been paying attention
And everyone lived happily ever after!
The people who colonised America are the puritans Europe didn’t want in the first place. They are the rejects and European in title only.
that was only the first wave, subsequent waves were a diverse range of people tempted by the promise of cheap land and (at best) indifferent about the people who would have to die for them to get it
ah yes the famously unbigoted average eureopean that would never support genocide.
Don’t don’t mention the Roma
That must be why a third of America has French names for everything, because Europe wasn’t interested in colonizing it
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Not by liberals themselves, maybe. By the rest of us it has.
Seems pretty fucking in character for the party of Blair
Fuck off