• mateofeo85@lemmy.world
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    Mostly whiny rich LAZY WHITE people. The Civil War was fought because white people were so lazy they didn’t want to do the work themselves.

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      Why bring race into it? Poor white people are natural allies in curtailing monied interests are much as anyone else. Driving wedges that aren’t along class lines is only to the benefit of the rich.

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        To be fair, the term “white people” was created by rich landowners to get poor Europeans to turn against the black people they worked alongside in the fields. White isn’t a race.

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          I’d say they’re too propagandized and too squeezed by living their lives in this system to realize they’re being played. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin and could happen to anyone.

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            You don’t know your history do you? Poor whites have always been the arm of the rich. Any time there is even a chance of solidarity, poor whites are the first to sell out because of the sweet, sweet taste of white privilege.

            You know who did most of the lynchings? Poor whites. You who overwhelmingly voted for Trump? Poor whites.

            Fuck this “they are mislead” gaslighting bullshit. I’d rather have no allies than a poor white person as an ally because at least I can trust myself.

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              “Although women as a whole have historically voted for Democrats, white women have not. Instead, over the last 72 years, a plurality of white women have voted for the Democratic candidate only twice, in 1964 and 1996.

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                Fancy words but when humanity is put to the test, they always fail. You’re better off simply focusing on yourself. The rich sure are.

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                  If nobody tries to make anything better, nothing will ever get better for sure. This kind of defeatist attitude also only benefits the rich.

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                John Brown wasn’t poor and in the end, he didn’t accomplish anything as he was executed.

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                    You’re right. I was thinking of the abolitionist John Brown’s rebellion.

                    And as for Blair Mountain? Spoilers. Poor white descendants routinely spit on their graves by supporting conservatives.

                    Stop gaslighting about their usefulness. Poor whites, like poor anyone these days will fall for anything and cripple everything.

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              Found the American! Do you realize the majority of the world is neither white nor American and this doesn’t apply, whereas this article does?

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                You’re right. How’s AFD, Reform UK, Five Points, Sansieto, and National Rally coming along?

                Now as for billionaires, Elon Musk is South African. Peter Thiel is German. Bezos and Zuckerberg are American. Pinchal and Nadella are Indian. Nigel Ferange is British.

                Now let’s look at Brexit. The UK had the chance to show that they progressed as well as show that Brexit was a bad idea that would hurt them all, but xenophobia won.

                Let’s look at Israel. Now October 7th was an unfortunate catastrophe that no one deserved but rather than demand better from their leaders, Israel has plunged right head first into genocide.

                Canada just recently BARELY fought off a right wing resurgence and that was ONLY due to Trump’s threats.

                Replace poor whites with poor natives of any country and my point will not have changed. The billionaires have won. They played the long game while we have fucking settled for reality tv, social media, and eroding rights.

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      https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#517324be3d78

      Just within the top-25 I see Jensen Huang, Mukesh Ambani, Carlos Slim, Changpeng Zhao, Zhong Shanshan.

      White people are over-represented in the list, but there’s plenty of non-white billionaires that are just as problematic as their white counterparts. The vast, vast majority of white people are not billionaires. Racial division is a distraction that serves the billionaires.

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        Until Lincoln said black people should vote. All those “progressive” northern people all of a sudden became racist.

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          I think thats just in your head. Supposedly lincoln was about back to africa and the civil war was not about one segment believing in full equality at that point in time. They just felt slavery was wrong and that black people were human. I mean remember women got sufferage after black males. Also we are talking averages. Im 100% sure many individuals recognized equality between humans but the norm changed over time and more importantly the law. This is one reason I find juneteenth as wierd because it was the amendment when it was codified in law and after all the world has slavery still and its been done by individuals in the us in this millenium. The critical thing is that its a crime now to do that.

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      Came here to say how refreshing it is to read an article about wealthy jerks that talks about reality rather than RACE OR GENDER.

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      There’s no need to be racist and that wasn’t what the civil war was about.

      There was no threat of slavery being federally outlawed, Lincoln’s entire inaugural address was about how slaves were property and no one was going to fuck with the institution of slavery.

      http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/1inaug.htm

      The South wanted a “strong” federal government that could force Northern states to “deport” any Black people in the North to the South where they’d be made slaves.

      And Lincoln wouldn’t do that either. He felt the federal government had no say on slaverly.

      So the South seceded, and when the federal government said they couldn’t that was the official cause of the war. Whether or not states had the option to leave the union.

      Repeating that the Civil war was about if slavery could be legal, is not only reductionist it’s repeating century old propaganda spread by wealthy slave owners to make it sound better than reality.

      Lincoln did t even start thinking about outlawing slavery until the war was starting to drag on, and that was solely as an economic sanction because wealthy Europeans had started buying up Southern plantations and those funds were being used to prolong the war.

      By explicitly outlawing slavery, it cratered the speculative real estate market and those funds being cut off shortened the war.

      Shits more complicated than what they told us in sixth grade.