I’m not American, and I’ve advised people to vote blue no matter who for over 20 years, so as a foreigner watching America slide towards fascism for decades I can tell you, American liberals are just as much to blame for fascism as the uneducated morons brainwashed by it.
Both parties have been destroying the working classes economic mobility for almost 50 years. Just because 1 party is worse than the other that doesn’t absolve either of their sins.
Yet now, at the final hour, you blame a phantom left for not biting the pillow, as though that would’ve changed the multi-decade fall of the empire.
I tell ya what, though. Just cry harder and blame the left. It’s worked for fascism!
You have to acquire extremely effective blinders to so consequently deny responsibility of the liberal establishment for the mess we’re in. You are digging yourself in a hole, alienating possible allies by still playing the blame game on the left. It’s extremely counterproductive. If you want to fight the fascists, fight the fascists. If you want to change views on the left, engage, all I see of you is mocking.
I’d say the big issue was being okay with the status quo for Democrats. A Republican administration would come in, set us back in several regards. Then the Democrats come back into power and shrug things off for a number of issues. For sure there were a number of problems they tried to fix and were focused on, but when the number of votes just aren’t there you gotta focus on the things you can fix. The main issue Democrats have allowed to simmer for some God forsaken reason and has made future problems was not trying to revert/amend the No Child Left Behind policies, the defunding of education, and not trying to bring back and expand the Fairness Doctrine to apply to all social media, including influencers.
I’m sure there are places on the Internet where you could sell that “ghost” story, but Lemmy during the runup to the election was like 45%+ people arguing for protest votes and vote abstaining as a means of “punishing” Democrats for a millenia-old religious feud on the other side of the world. Obviously this isn’t physical, definitive proof that protest voters and abstainers actually moved the electoral needle for Trump, I’m just letting you know why no one’s really buying it here.
So… your argument has no evidence or basis in reality, beyond the anecdotal from your own experience on Lemmy/SM?
All you’ve done is provide another datapoint for why Liberals have helped turn America into a fascist dictatorship… Living in a manufactured reality based on feefees and propaganda instead of empiric evidence…
In 2020, 81 million people turned out for Biden. That number decreased to 75 million in 2024.
In 2020, 74 million people turned out for Trump. That number increased to 77 million in 2024.
In 2020, roughly 2.9 million people turned out for a third party candidate. Of these, 1.8m went Libertarian, with 407k for Green. In 2024, 2.9 million turned out for a 3rd party. This time it broke 862k for the Greens, 756k for Junior (I refuse to sully the Kennedy Name with him!), and 650k for the Libertarians.
Explicit evidence that requires a minimum of data science skills to process. 6 million people who voted for Biden didn’t turn out for Harris, while Trump somehow got 3 million more people to vote for him. Meanwhile, support for the Libertarians cratered by 1.2m, and support for the Greens doubled from 407k to 862k. And Junior? He was explicitly in the race to hurt Dems. So, another 756k added to the Dem ‘alternative’ vote, now split between two parties. So, from 1.8m spoiling the Right in 2020 to 1.6m spoiling the Left.
The data is there if you’re willing to look. All 1.6m of those people who voted Green or Junior for some strange reason? They voted for this. Just like the 6 million people who voted for Biden in 2020 and didn’t in 2024, or the unknown number of people, estimated betwen 90m and 100m, who sat home. And of course, the 77 million who voted directly for Trump. Every last one of these people, save the fraction of the 77 million who want what Trump promised, could have had a seat at the table and a voice at trying to drive the monolith that is US policy, but they elected to surrender their agency.
I know you don’t like to hear this, but everyone who made those choices above has surrendered this country to Fascism. And I’m not sorry for calling it out.
I didn’t make an argument at all, I simply described my experience of reality in an effort to help you understand why people here are disagreeing with you. Don’t worry, I won’t try to help you again.
I’ll have you know I can feel, and move, my nuts; they are perfectly healthy and functional as far I can tell. The left one hangs lower than the right, but that’s very normal, otherwise they’re smashing against each other all the time. I’m pretty sure Jordan Peterson has that, that’s why he always sounds like he’s about to cry.
As far as the sniffs go, even if I could avoid it, I don’t know that I would choose to do so. The gut biome, as we’ve all learned, is so so important and we need to use all the information we have to ensure its health. An off-smelling fart can often be the first warning sign of oncoming digestive issues.
Lol you’re still on the blame strawman. Again, I am informing protest- non-voters what they voted for. That you keep trying to strawman this hard even after being corrected is funny. Ciao.
Ok, now go “inform” your shitty corpo democrats that they should PANDER BETTER to their own fucking electorate. Signed, a Canadian sick of stupid American politics. Do better yanks.
Who said I’m blaming? I’m informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Honestly, that you feel/think blame is telling.
I’m not American, and I’ve advised people to vote blue no matter who for over 20 years, so as a foreigner watching America slide towards fascism for decades I can tell you, American liberals are just as much to blame for fascism as the uneducated morons brainwashed by it.
Both parties have been destroying the working classes economic mobility for almost 50 years. Just because 1 party is worse than the other that doesn’t absolve either of their sins.
Yet now, at the final hour, you blame a phantom left for not biting the pillow, as though that would’ve changed the multi-decade fall of the empire.
I tell ya what, though. Just cry harder and blame the left. It’s worked for fascism!
“D-don’t blame people who allowed fascism to take over… that’s mean… but FUCK those who tried to stop it, literally as bad as fascists!”
About the level of discourse I expect from Lemmy at this point.
OK maybe you had a shitty day, but listen to yourself: “D-don’t…”
this kind of speech also works well online. great.
and then you seriously go ahead and lament the level of discourse here.
“Just cry harder, liberals are as bad as fascists” - acceptable, normal
[mocking this view] - UNACCEPTABLE, rude, how dare you be this unproductive 😭
Fucking listen to yourself, and maybe reflect on who and what you choose to tone police.
You have to acquire extremely effective blinders to so consequently deny responsibility of the liberal establishment for the mess we’re in. You are digging yourself in a hole, alienating possible allies by still playing the blame game on the left. It’s extremely counterproductive. If you want to fight the fascists, fight the fascists. If you want to change views on the left, engage, all I see of you is mocking.
I’d say the big issue was being okay with the status quo for Democrats. A Republican administration would come in, set us back in several regards. Then the Democrats come back into power and shrug things off for a number of issues. For sure there were a number of problems they tried to fix and were focused on, but when the number of votes just aren’t there you gotta focus on the things you can fix. The main issue Democrats have allowed to simmer for some God forsaken reason and has made future problems was not trying to revert/amend the No Child Left Behind policies, the defunding of education, and not trying to bring back and expand the Fairness Doctrine to apply to all social media, including influencers.
I’m sure there are places on the Internet where you could sell that “ghost” story, but Lemmy during the runup to the election was like 45%+ people arguing for protest votes and vote abstaining as a means of “punishing” Democrats for a millenia-old religious feud on the other side of the world. Obviously this isn’t physical, definitive proof that protest voters and abstainers actually moved the electoral needle for Trump, I’m just letting you know why no one’s really buying it here.
So… your argument has no evidence or basis in reality, beyond the anecdotal from your own experience on Lemmy/SM?
All you’ve done is provide another datapoint for why Liberals have helped turn America into a fascist dictatorship… Living in a manufactured reality based on feefees and propaganda instead of empiric evidence…
I mean, the evidence is right there.
In 2020, 81 million people turned out for Biden. That number decreased to 75 million in 2024.
In 2020, 74 million people turned out for Trump. That number increased to 77 million in 2024.
In 2020, roughly 2.9 million people turned out for a third party candidate. Of these, 1.8m went Libertarian, with 407k for Green. In 2024, 2.9 million turned out for a 3rd party. This time it broke 862k for the Greens, 756k for Junior (I refuse to sully the Kennedy Name with him!), and 650k for the Libertarians.
Explicit evidence that requires a minimum of data science skills to process. 6 million people who voted for Biden didn’t turn out for Harris, while Trump somehow got 3 million more people to vote for him. Meanwhile, support for the Libertarians cratered by 1.2m, and support for the Greens doubled from 407k to 862k. And Junior? He was explicitly in the race to hurt Dems. So, another 756k added to the Dem ‘alternative’ vote, now split between two parties. So, from 1.8m spoiling the Right in 2020 to 1.6m spoiling the Left.
The data is there if you’re willing to look. All 1.6m of those people who voted Green or Junior for some strange reason? They voted for this. Just like the 6 million people who voted for Biden in 2020 and didn’t in 2024, or the unknown number of people, estimated betwen 90m and 100m, who sat home. And of course, the 77 million who voted directly for Trump. Every last one of these people, save the fraction of the 77 million who want what Trump promised, could have had a seat at the table and a voice at trying to drive the monolith that is US policy, but they elected to surrender their agency.
I know you don’t like to hear this, but everyone who made those choices above has surrendered this country to Fascism. And I’m not sorry for calling it out.
I didn’t make an argument at all, I simply described my experience of reality in an effort to help you understand why people here are disagreeing with you. Don’t worry, I won’t try to help you again.
I’m not the one living in a fascist dictatorship, blaming the people who saw this coming decades ago, numbnuts. You are!
Maybe you should take a break from sniffing your own farts and try to learn from history, instead of repeating 2016 and 2024 all over again?
I’ll have you know I can feel, and move, my nuts; they are perfectly healthy and functional as far I can tell. The left one hangs lower than the right, but that’s very normal, otherwise they’re smashing against each other all the time. I’m pretty sure Jordan Peterson has that, that’s why he always sounds like he’s about to cry.
As far as the sniffs go, even if I could avoid it, I don’t know that I would choose to do so. The gut biome, as we’ve all learned, is so so important and we need to use all the information we have to ensure its health. An off-smelling fart can often be the first warning sign of oncoming digestive issues.
Lol you’re still on the blame strawman. Again, I am informing protest- non-voters what they voted for. That you keep trying to strawman this hard even after being corrected is funny. Ciao.
Ok, now go “inform” your shitty corpo democrats that they should PANDER BETTER to their own fucking electorate. Signed, a Canadian sick of stupid American politics. Do better yanks.