Democrats spent the last year asking where their Joe Rogan was. Hasan Piker is one of the few left-wing figures with the audience they covet — but the party is deeply hostile to the spontaneity and independence that make figures like him appealing.
Democrats spent the last year asking where their Joe Rogan was. Hasan Piker is one of the few left-wing figures with the audience they covet — but the party is deeply hostile to the spontaneity and independence that make figures like him appealing.
IT WAS TOO FUCKING LATE FOR THAT! Harris was the candidate. End of. There was zero possibility of replacing her with somebody more leftist. The choices were only “vote for Harris” or “help Trump.” That’s it.
Game theory is MATH, not an opinion!
Did you think I wanted that class traitor prosecutor bitch either?! Fuck, no! But, being someone who isn’t a goddamn drooling moron, I realized that Trump was even worse and held my nose. That’s how the system works, and it does not care how much you or I both hate it.
Nobody was trying to “control people’s opinions;” we were trying to stop you from making an objective mathematical error that would destroy us all.
It wasn’t too fucking late for Harris to change messaging though.
You failed then.
Now you are seeing how it was back then. Imagine the guy you’re responding to, and 100 more just like him ganging up on ya. And just as angry, stubborn, and mad as he is.
That’s how it was back then. lolol
It’s like I never left Reddit lol
Harris is a neoliberal piece of shit. She wasn’t going to change, no matter how much any of us whined or threatened to withhold our votes over it!
You could either understand that and work to reduce harm, or fuck up and ruin everyone’s lives because you were too stubborn or stupid to accept factual reality.
This is what these people constantly ignore. They reply by calling us stupid shit like “blueMAGA” or a liberal, and it usually terminates the conversation. They know exactly what they are doing.
When in reality, I can only speak for myself, I fucking hate the current Democratic party. Like 99% of them are absolute trash.
That doesn’t mean I’m not going to call you out when you’re online working overtime to convince left leaning voters in October 2024 not to vote.
But no, we’re just dirty liberals who love the DNC and are incapable of criticizing them (just be sure not to check comment history).
Or vote third party. Which I proudly did. And will do again unless the Democrats stop fucking shit up.
So why didn’t you speak up? Was it because you knew Lemmy would censor you? Do you think it’s right to censor someone for what you just said?
The system is like that because you refuse to support third-party support. By you refusing to validate third parties, they don’t have the pull they should have. But if EVERYONE voted third party, guess what? Shit would start to change. You are actually part of the problem, not the solution.
And how did that work out for you? What ended up happening?
That’s a lie. “Vote third party” is a subset of “help Trump.”
grue, I dont vote for genociders, full stop. Harris was going to continue Bidens support of zionism, thats just a fact. If we must literally feed the bodies of innocents and children into the gears of our “democracy” or it explodes, I say let it explode ASAP, because you’ll just be voting for more genocide next election too, wont you.
Have the zionists relinquished their hold on the democratic party? No. Have the dem leaders kicked them out? No.
Maybe if you took the time to take a stand on that too our leaders would see they cant win by taking that position. Your “harm minimization” is short term thinking and just delays the inevitable. Sooner or later this has to happen, so lets do it now instead of after we have even more blood on our hands. You’re just spending other people lives to stall for time.
Well said, brother.
The blood is on your hands anyway, because you had the chance to reduce harm and refused. In fact, it has accelerated and spread because of the actions of people like you.
I knew this would happen. I warned people like you that this would happen. And the last year has proven me correct.
You can deny it all you want, but that doesn’t change reality.
Don’t use the words game theory and harm reduction. You clearly don’t know anything about either.
You are literally ignoring all of game theory based around games with repeated plays. Why? Because it shows the opposite strategy then what you are promoting works better.
When people point out that your vaunted game theory proves you wrong, that is when the phrase harm reduction comes out so you don’t have to argue against people correctly pointing out that your strategy fails in the long term.
It’s not clever, nor is it subtle.
How was their game theory proven wrong? Voting third party is part of the original calculation. Because of the first past the post system in the US, voting third party in a general election is throwing away your vote. In 2024, it was a spoiler for the Democrats. So it helped Trump. That’s game theory.
The aspect of game theory people who espouse it as their rational for voting blue no matter who only applies to games that occur only once.
What strategy wins in the long term over multiple plays is exactly opposite what they espouse and is closer, though not entirely, the strategy espoused by the people they argue against.
We have elections on a repeated basis.
Thanks for proving my point. I bet ya miss the lemmy times right before the 2024 election, huh? I bet you hate seeing how many people are pro-third party these days! lololEDIT: A little too much snark, but poster is definitely showing how angry some people can be when it comes to third-party talk.No, I don’t. Why? Because NOW is the time that we SHOULD be trying to replace the neoliberals!
Could you quit your trolling for just a goddamn second and actually COMPREHEND what I’ve been writing?!
Then maybe you should stop being pissed off and yelling at people who support other parties.
So disagreeing with you is “trolling”?! I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
No, this is trolling:
It’s telling that you never quote yourself when recounting how ‘unfairly’ you were treated.
Meh, fair point. I did go a little far with that line. I’ll edit.
But I would love your thoughts on seeing so many people being much more open to third parties on Lemmy now. Because the tide is def turning on that subject.
It’s great! Because now is the appropriate time for it. Now is the time it can actually work instead of screwing all of us over.
They were specifically talking about voting for third party in the 2024 general election. They weren’t yelling at people who support other parties.
Right, and people are free to vote however they want, in any election. People are allowed to vote for who they want to win. Third party or otherwise.
Yeah and if they did it in 2024, they should accept the consequences of their actions, which includes ridicule.