Yeah. SimpleX has a similar problem, because it’s basically creating a bunch of 1:1 connections between everyone to preserve anonymity - IIRC (I freely admit I could be misremembering this). As I understood, it’s a decent limit, though - more than the 7-12 friend/family group you’d reasonably trust in a chat group.

I did not consider this a blocker - who’s using encrypted chat for large groups? Large group chats are fundamentally insecure; is the use case about anonymity, not encryption?

IME, beyond the install, it’s all distro- and desktop-specific.

• How to find and install apps varies from distro to distro. IIRC, the Mint menu item is something obvious, like “Install software”, but on Arch (you’d have to hate your newbie to throw them into Arch), it requires a chicken/egg finding and installing a graphical installer. If you know the distro, this would be good information - or if you’re helping with the install, create a desktop launcher.
• Showing them where settings are. Surprising to me, this has been super-not-obvious to my newbs. Even though the KDE Settings app is called “settings”, I think Windows and Mac folks are used to looking for settings in a specific place, rather than an app name - and in Windows, there’s can be several ways to get up different settings, like changing display stuff is always in a weird place. Again, maybe a desktop or panel shortcut would help.
• One of my newbs used Mint for two years without opening a shell, so I don’t think that’s an issue. He even found and installed a piece of software he wanted, but I can’t remember if I originally showed him how to the first time. But that’s Mint. He did, however, need help setting up a printer, but that’s because he couldn’t find the settings program; he came from Windows originally.
• Edge cases, like printers and other peripherals, can be hard, and I don’t think any amount of extra documentation is going to help, because almost every difficulty is practically unique. There’s a ton of online help for stuff like that already. And then, if they want to, eg, attach a game controller… well, that’s very specific and again varies by controller. I don’t think you can cover all of these edge cases.
• Games can be hard only because of the indirection of having to install some other software, like Proton or Steam, creating an account, knowing how to check for compatability - there’s a lot of moving parts. It’s not just: go to the game’s web site, buy, download, and install something and run it, like I imagine it is on Windows. So maybe that would be useful - or - again - pre-installing one of the game stores and (surprise) making a shortcut would eliminate that.
• Network connections. Again, I always find figuring out how to get to network configuration in Windows to be hard, and bizarrely having multiple ways of accomplishing the same task, so I’d guess going the other direction would be confusing. Having a note about how to get to the configuration would be handy.

As I think about it, I realize that configuration under KDE of way more encapsulated and clear than on Windows, and people having learned the byzantine and myriad ways of Windows, KDE’s relative simplicity is confusing. Windows people look for configurations in places they’ve learned to look, which aren’t always where they are under KDE (I can’t speak much about Gnome - I don’t use it or set people up with it). MacOS isn’t as bad, having a similar configure-everything-through-a-single-settings-program approach.

Anyway, that’s my experience.

I would still like to understand why Jami is never mentioned in these posts. I’m not aware of any technical or security objections, and the less I hear about Jami, the more concerned I become about using it.

Not that kind of “use!”

That’s… a big gap. I think I’d just be confused all the time if I had to switch between them.

C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.

Amazon has a non-existent customer support, so you may have limited options.

If they had customer support, I’d suggest contacting them and tell them to either refund, or else you’d give them the ID immediately followed by a GDPR request to purge your data. That might have gotten some movement, because those GDPR requests have the force of law, and are also a fair PITA for Amazon. However, there’s no way to give them a shot across the bow. I think your options are:

• process a charge-back, as someone else suggested, which might result in an Amazon ban
• take the loss (that’s entirely your call, regardless of anyone else’s opinion)
• give them the ID, get your refund
• you can still initiate a GDPR purge request. I’m going to guess it’s going to result in a block, but maybe not. You might be able to recreate your account

The happy news is that you are protected by GDPR. Many of us are not, and don’t even have the option to demand they purge the information.

This is really good to hear. As someone who hasn’t used Windows since 2004, it’s easy to lose perspective of how daunting a self-switch can feel.

I’m glad to hear your experience is going well. I know you’re experiencing many little annoyances and things which seem harder than they should be, but are not focusing on those. It’s always good to hear the perspective from a new user!

Second this.

• message delivery can be iffy
• VoIP works well
• you connect with people like a normal app that isn’t going to scare your family off, not trying to get them to put in GUIDS
• it has all the creature comforts, attached/embedded photos, markup, attached files, attach pictures, share your location for 10 minutes (I’m on my way), history editing, deleting
• it has concurrent multi device support, so you can get messages on your phone, tablet, and desktop at the same time
• There’s a full desktop client (Electron, i think 🤮 but it works)
• the dev team is small and they seem to like to work more on features than user issues. development is slow
• multi-person groups work fine

It’s still the best E2E messaging system I’ve found; the only one my mom, wife, and sisters-in-law reliably use.

I just want them to focus on fixing the sketchy DHT that seems to cause every problem.

Penalty: the equivalent of $100, probably. And even that will be contested; the second judge will drop it to $50, and the third to $10, and then the Meta lawyer will pay that out of her pocket change.

My recommendation is to put all of the variables in an environment file, and use systemd’s EnvironmentFile (in [Service] to point to it.

One of my backup service files (I back up to disks and cloud) looks like this:

[Unit]
Description=Backup to MyUsbDrive
Requires=media-MyUsbDrive.mount
After=media-MyUsbDrive.mount

[Service]
EnvironmentFile=/etc/backup/environment
Type=simple
ExecStart=/usr/bin/restic backup --tag=prefailure-2 --files-from ${FILES} --exclude-file ${EXCLUDES} --one-file-system

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.timer

FILES is a file containing files and directories to be backed up, and is defined in the environment file; so is EXCLUDES, but you could simply point restic at the directory you want to back up instead.

My environment file looks essentially like

RESTIC_REPOSITORY=/mnt/MyUsbDrive/backup
RESTIC_PASSWORD=blahblahblah
KEEP_DAILY=7
KEEP_MONTHLY=3
KEEP_YEARLY=2
EXCLUDES=/etc/backup/excludes
FILES=/etc/backup/files

If you’re having trouble, start by looking at how you’re passing in the password, and whether it’s quoted properly. It’s been a couple of years since I had this issue, but at one point I know I had spaces in a passphrase and had quoted the variable, and the quotes were getting passed in verbatim.

My VPS backups are more complex and get their passwords from a keystore, but for my desktop I keep it simple.

I hope this isn’t a step towards replacing the native app with an SPA.

Oh boy. This is a rabbit hole which, once you fall into, there’s no coming back out.

There is a world of terminal software. You can, quite reasonably, get entirely rid of X (and Wayland) and live in the console. Honestly, the reason I don’t is only because there is no fully competent terminal web browser (although there are some quite good ones), and because anything having to do with graphics like photo management, or vector graphics drawing, is really where GUIs are useful. But for everything else, terminal clients are almost always superior.

Choosing a good terminal emulator is important, and the best one right now is Rio. It’s fast, smaller memory footprint, and less CPU use than Wezterm or Kitty, and it supports ligatures, iTerm, and SIXEL graphics.

In that goes tmux, because it works over ssh and having consistent everywhere is handy, because it survives terminal and window manager crashes, and because you can open multiple clients in different windows on the same tmux session.

In that runs zsh, because it’s the best shell. It’s backwards-compatible to bash, but has a ton of extra features.

I’m conservative about replacing standard POSIX tools with new fad tools, because grep is literally everywhere (even BusyBox) and new things usually aren’t; but ripgrep and fd are such nice improvements over grep and find I’ve been unable to resist. Helix is currently the best text editor. However, having a good familiarity with grep, find, and vi is IMHO critical, because they’re the foundations.

My media player is ostui, which is an ncurses SubSonic client with synced lyrics and cover art support. I use catnip for visualization, because it uses less memory and CPU than cava. For task management I use a bespoke script (tdp) that use fzf with todo.txt files. I use gotop for system monitoring.

I try to use chawan for terminal web browsing, and it does do CSS layout better than most, and supports sixel image rendering, but it’s often a chore so I mostly browse in Luakit, which is a GUI program.

rook is my secret service tool that uses a KeePassXC DB as the backing store, and provides credentials to everything that needs them.

• vdirsyncer syncs my calendar and contracts to a VPS, and thence to my phone
• mbsync syncs all of my email from my IMAP server, and I use notmuch to index and tag it
• khard is a terminal address book that uses standard vcard directories
• lbb is a super-fast address book search tool which also works on vcard directories
• khal is a TUI calendar app, which works with vcal directories
• aerc, which someone else mentioned, is a fantastic TUI email client that can use notmuch.
• tasker is what I use for scheduled cron control; it uses standard crontab files.
• devmon and udevil handle automounts of USB media
• mosh is a UDP-based ssh, with interruptable sessions and network resilience
• mpdris2-rs is the agent I use to hook up various media control tooling to ostui (which supports the mpris protocol) and other players - mpris is a sort of standardized glue for media players.
• gomuks is an excellent TUI for Matrix
• weechat is a TUI for IRC. I prefer gomuk’s interface, but you can get a Matrix plugin for weechat if you want to use only one. I find I often have to restart weechat because otherwise it end up eating all of the memory; there’s a memory leak, or something in it.
• syncthing-daemon for syncing between almost everything
• restic for backups

dinit handles all of my user task management, because systemd is fucking broken for user tasks. dinit is a better init system.

Almost every application I use is a cli or TUI client. The exceptions are the web browser, for reasons I’ve explained; Jami, which doesn’t have a CLI client; Factorio, which is a game; and darktable for photo management. I’ll also occasionally open Gimp or Inkscape for graphics, vlc for movies (which I could probably watch in the terminal, now that I think of it), and I usually view PDFs in a GUI client such as mupdf.

My philosophy on software is to use standards wherever possible. I avoid programs that insist on using their own DBs when there’s a perfectly good standard, such as ics, maildir, and so on. It’s just another form of vender lock-in. Hence notmuch (maildir), khard and lbb (directory of .ics), khal (directory of .vcs), rook (KeePass DB), and so on. This drives most of my tooling choices.

It’s not wrong. If the only objective of Linux were to steal users from Windows or Mac, becoming a homogeneous dictatorial OS is the way to do it. Most people don’t care about choice, and in fact having to choose is an anti feature. Apple’s success proves this, but companies like Microsoft for the same reason: it’s all a boring dystopia of sameness.

Linux’s strength is diversity. It’s both the only functioning communism on the planet, and the best evolutionary testbed for software. It’s great for people who value freedom and choice; it’s mostly a confusing mess for everyone who don’t give a single shit how computers work, or which style that use - they want to be given something that works OOTB and always have it work the same way. They want to be told what to do, because honestly they can’t be arsed to figure it out. This doesn’t imply anything at all about the kind of people they are, they just aren’t interested in computers.

I give no shits about how a car works; I don’t care how many HP it has, I don’t want to assemble and decide on every single component. I don’t even like driving - it’s just time out of my day which demands all of my attention, and which I’d rather spend doing something else. I absolutely hate the car buying experience - taking days to test drive and decide. I’d be just as happy to be able to look up “best car this year at this price point” and buy that.

For a great many people, computers are like cars are to me: a necessary evil.

So: it’s not a bad expectation that Linux adoption would dramatically increase if it became a monopoly of software. If all the Gnome developers would stop wasting their time and work on KDE instead. (See how that sounds when you swap out “X11” and “Wayland” for “Gnome” and “KDE”? I see people making this argument all. The. Time.) But it’d become a lesser ecosystem.

Monocultures suck.

This seriously got an out-loud chuckle from me. It’s funny, because it’s true! Thanks!

I’m not talking about your application at all; I was responding to @chrash0’s comment that JSON may not be great, but it’s better than YAML, and TOML is better than both, for configuration.

I was agreeing with them and adding more reasons why YAML stinks.

Nothing at all directly to do with your project, just having a convo with @chrash0.

Sourcehut also supports Mercurial, so you also have an option to the herd mentality.

Sourcehut also has zero, or almost zero, JavaScript in the interface, so it doesn’t suck

Sourcehut is also componentized, so you can mix and match the pieces you want or need:

• VCS hosting
• masking list management
• issue management
• build server
• man server

Sourcehut is by far the best hosted VCS option at the moment. The Mercurial support alone puts it miles ahead of the others, which are all hobbled by tight coupling to git.

Are China Parties like Tupperware Parties, where friends get together and one shills a pyramid scheme? That’s what CP is, right?

You also don’t get runtime errors with TOML when an invisible tab turns out to be invisible spaces.

I gave my dad one of my spare laptops four years ago; it had never had Windows on it (being from the halcyon days when Dell sold laptops with linux pre-installed), so I put Mint on it for him.

Early this year he called and said one of the keys stopped working so he’d bought a newer, used laptop and could I help him put Linux on it, because that’s what he was used to. Over the phone, I helped him download and burn a new Mint image from his ancient desktop, and verbally walked him through switching the bios to boot from the USB, and through the Mint install menus.

Since then, he’s called me once for technical support for getting his printer connected.

Dad’s in his 80’s and was a cop with an associate’s degree; he’s never claimed to be a brainiac. That is what convinced me Linux is ready for anyone, but that the choice of distribution is important. I think dad never upgrades or installs new software, but that’s OK. I have to update and reboot every week because I’m stupidly loyal to Arch.

I’m sorry that your mom had a bad experience; that’s super frustrating.