Some piece of shit shoots him

Not even remotely close.

Like I said.

Real real hard to dance within the lines. Unfortunately I didn’t have a whole lot of room to flesh out and fill to the edge. Had to be as zoomed in as possible.

Nah. I blame the sychopantic psychopath who has been driving hateful and violent rhetoric to begin with for years. Charlie Kirk birthed this situation. Either one of the right wing loons shot him or someone shot him who was fighting back against a dude saying “Hey, those people, they are lesser than human and should be gone”.

I’ma blame the nazi, thanks.

Thoughts and prayers.

Okay. Let me try to make a comment here that won’t get obliterated as it’s going to be real, REAL hard to dance within the lines on this.

1. Hokay… I obviously do not condone violence of any kind. But… literally no one can be surprised by this happening. Certainly not them. They’ve been pushing extremely violent rhetoric for years and Charlie Kirk is not exactly a subtle small face in all of that.

2. Astounding accuracy. I mean it wasn’t like Kirk was moving around a whole lot in the situation but still.

3. Huge crowd, or at least for what I would expect, but I’m surprised no one saw something.

4. Angle of attack is kind of surprising as well. Kirk was sat fairly low down with a covering over the top. Relatively shallow angle from what I could see in order to be able to hit him. Shot seems to have come from his right.

5. His right is exposed overall but does anyone know what’s actually to the left there?

6. And lastly, I am wondering how this is going to impact Nazis like Kirk in general. Are they going to ramp it up or step it down? Also wonder how long before people start saying it was done by some trans antifa palestinian who came to Utah from NYC via LA.

That headline has to be a joke. Reveals? Reveals?!

The terrorist state commits yet another terrorism. What a surprise.

Why? Because Israel is a terrorist state that has no reasonable right to exist at the BEST of times considering it boils down to “My god said this is mine” and was created after a world war by idiotic Europeans. They have been emboldened for decades by funding their war machine and espionage.

They’re fucking terrorists and Nazis and they DO NOT CARE about any country other than their own which is why they routinely have their cowardly bunch of spies go everywhere and illegal steal people away because mah morals.

Fuck the entire country and every Israelite who doesn’t actively condemn them. Because there’s one word for a person who stands by and doesn’t stop a Nazi and the word is fucking Nazi.

Oh I’m sorry is the dude responsible for meddling with Canadian democracy and the dude responsible for trying to kill Canadians upsettispaghetti? Boohoo

Cry harder.

If I’ve said this on Discord once, I’ve said it a hundred times. Fuck no.

Nothing of value will have been lost.

Oh noooooooooo. Me being frustrated at me hitting -25 downvotes and adding an edit in calling it out has upset you. I am sooooo sorry.

Exactly. It’s a wide scale variety show that exists in a world where you can easily switch back and forth yourself. The medium as a whole is dying. If it was live at least you’d have instant feedback to what’s going on and an incentive to continue to watch, not hearing what is now effectively old news.

I wonder how many people are shifting to watching that content in clips instead of the whole show.

I was one of them. Pretty sure I’m not alone considering the sliding TV ratings and the large YouTube ratings. I had no interest in sitting around watching 5 minutes of ads in between clips when, even without adblocker because I wanted to support the show, I only had to sit through like 30-45 seconds of them. I stopped watching Colbert about a year ago but that was mostly out of mental fatigue of constant American news so I stopped watching Seth Meyers and stuff too.

If that were significant, it would suggest a different production approach, since there’s not much point in producing it in a continuous bit. Also the best person for a monologue may not be the best person to conduct an interview.

There is the problem that one of those links I posted brings up as well. Late Night shows are basically recap shows but they’re really bad at doing so. They often film at around 4-5pm EST, at least Colbert does, so anything after that fact just won’t end up on the show until the next night. But we all have a phone in our pocket now that tells us the information instantly with social media that has everyone talking about it. Late Night hosts are no longer “talking about what the Nation is talking about”, like they often like to say. They talk about what happened yesterday. Honestly? If Late Night shows all went live every night instead of being pre-recorded? I think they’d do awesome. Colbert’s live shows got more numbers than any of his other ones. People were there for the IMMEDIATE feedback and they got it.

So Colbert lost almost 1/4 of viewership over 5 years, but how does that compare to Kimmel or Fallon viewership?

Good point. I will grab that information. However, I will say that if Colbert loses a million viewers and neither one of the other ones manage to pick up those viewers? They’re clearly not going back into late night.

This isn’t the whole year but seasonal averages to a point for 2017-18. Variety says that the stats were

• Fallon @ 3.3m
• Colbert @ 2.8m
• Kimmel @ 2.2m

TheWrap says that for the 2018-2019 season, the stats looked as follows.

• Colbert @ 3.7m
• Fallon @ 2.4m
• Kimmel @ 2m

Deadline says the stats for 2019-2020 were as follows.

• Colbert @ 3.4m
• Fallon @ 1.9m
• Kimmel is not mentioned in this link but it is said he was in third place but this Paramount Release suggests that he would have been somewhere around 1.8.

Deadline says for 2020-2021 the stats were as follows:

• Colbert @ 2.9m
• Kimmel @ 1.7m
• Fallon @ 1.5

Couldn’t easily find anything for anything after that. The current 2.4 million viewer number is from all the articles talking about Colbert being cancelled. But even just from those years you can see the obvious trend. People were leaving late night.

Fun side thing I found was this. An article from 2 years ago talking about how Streaming is killing Late Night.

Oh I also found:

• This medium post on Late Night dying

• This HollywoodReporter article on how Late Night is downsizing.

• Substack post on the death of late night

• ScreenRant saying the last days of Late Night

• Forbes article pointing out that Late Night shows are just recap shows

• Fortune article talking about Late Night fading to black.

• Even the New York Post saying it’s nearly over for Late Night

• MovieWeb on Late Night embracing its descent into oblivion.

• Radio Station WROR talking about why late night is dying

• EVEN JIMMY KIMMEL SAID LATE NIGHT HAS NO FUTURE. Just went on a podcast and said he has no hope for the future of the format or for his own career.

Overall, I don’t believe anyone would cancel a show that still draws over 1mill viewers for “financial reasons”. Redo the budget, sure, but not cut the entire program.

But they didn’t cut off the series partway through a contract. They just decided not to renew Colberts or bother spending the money rebranding or bringing on someone else.

Colbert alone costs them $15 million per year and his contract was up for a renewal. They were either going to have to pay him the same or more. Maybe they could get away with less but most agents are not going to allow that. Either way a fight would have been had to pay him less. Then you’ve got the extremely prime location of the Ed Sullivan theater which could be used for a whole host of things. Then there’s paying the guests, the acts and the various departments that keep the show running. You could make running a late show pretty cheap but they just… didn’t. The Late Show with Colbert is a pricey thing to keep running.

I also want to say here that I’m not trying to defend CBS in cutting the show off. Frankly I couldn’t care one way or another. I used to watch him a lot and loved him but now I’m just sorta meh and don’t care. The thing that weirded me out was that this stuff has been being talked about for years with declining viewers and late night going away and seemingly everyones immediate reaction was SOLELY to point the finger at Trump. Like he may have been a factor but I seriously doubt he was the driving factor.

I do buy the financials line. They’re trying to look profitable for a merger and the show doesn’t drag in as much money as it could and signing another expensive contract with someone in a field that has a declining viewership? I don’t see how that’s just thrown out the window instantly just to say it’s to silence Colbert. Considering no one will stop talking about it… didn’t really work out that well, huh? Not to mention the fact that we had this shit over a decade ago with Conan. Colbert will be fine and will end up landing a job doing more or less the same thing while bringing over his staff. Dude cares about the people who work for him.

But my evidence more than anything? They’re a fuckin business trying to merge with another one. Literally the only thing that matters to them is profits and they’ve said they don’t want to get involved in pre-written long term contracts. The writing is on the wall here. It’s one shitty company absorbing another shitty company and everyone just started pointing the finger at… Trump.

The comment was a good conversation contribution. It’s unfortunate downvotes always represent agree/disagree instead of productive/counterproductive.

I couldn’t give less of a fuck what makes these people boo when I’ve seen what makes them cheer. If they wanna downvote me with imaginary internet points that mean nothing to wrap themselves up in a comfy blanket and keep pretending then by all means.

Lol, talk shows are cheap to make. Even small countries with small viewership can afford to out them in with miniscule viewership numbers.

They can be cheap to make. American Talk Shows aren’t. They’re in a giant theater on broadway that they use for essentially nothing other than this one show. Then there’s Colbert’s price tag. His contract that he signed 3 years ago was for $15 million anually. That’s $45 million for 2.4 million consistent viewers over the past 3 years and that’s just him. That isn’t including the cost to guests, acts, writing, upkeep, and the dozen departments needed to run that show and fund everyones paycheque. But sure. That’s “Cheap”.

And it is insanely conspiratorial for all of you to go “LOOK! THERE IS A SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE! IT IS CLEARLY TRUMP! THERE IS NO OTHER REASON!”

Meanwhile you’ve got Conan, Samantha Bee, James Corden, and Lily Singh all standing on the side like “Well I guess we never existed then.” All of them cancelled. None of them being replaced by another Late Show.

The pattern existed before Trump. Colbert’s contract was due to renew next year. This isn’t a conspiracy. Late Night is just dying.

Edit: I goofed. Lily Singh had her show replaced by the Amber Ruffin show.

Right, those things are true, but they still don’t explain this decision.

“Right. It is true that Late Night is dying, that it is not making as much money as it used to, that the viewership is dropping. But I mean that doesn’t explain why they would cancel it.”

… what? That literally is the only reason to cancel a show unless there is some moral reasoning for it.

It was the #1 talk show for what, 8 years?

Which, like I said, doesn’t matter when all of Late Night is dying. All of it. In 2015, the Emmys split the Outstanding Variety Series into two. One of them was the Outstanding Talk Shows. In 2017, you had Nominations for Last Week Tonight, Full Frontal with Samantha Bee, Jimmy Kimmel Live, Late Show with Corden, Late Show with Colbert and Real Time with Bill Maher. If you go to last year? The Daily Show, Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, Colbert. This year? Daily Show, Kimmel, Colbert. The other shows are not getting nominations either because no one is watching it or because they’re cancelled. The entire award category is dying off and simply won’t exist 5 years from now.

No sane network would just cancel it. They would revamp, cut costs. Every business would extract the value from the brand before tossing its lifeless corpse off the boat.

They will if the entire format is dying which it is. Like… Colberts contract is due to renew next year. They’re not cancelling it. They’re just not renewing it.

The most plausible explanation for this show being canceled at this moment is to appease Trump.

No. It really isn’t. The most plausible explanation for this is that the Colbert show is following the exact same theme that every other Late Night show has had in the past few years. It is kind of a ridiculous conspiracy to jump to “Oh this is clearly because of Trump” from a single questionable moment when every other Late Night show has been cancelled or ended in the past 5 years. You have to actively reject facts to come to the conclusion that the Trump reason is “the most plausible.”