Huh? Did you reply to the wrong person? Because I don’t side with Trump. Check my comment history.

The 2016 “Russiagate” scandal.

The 2020 “Perfect Phone Call” scandal.

The 2021 January 6th Insurrection.

There’s plenty of proof, you just need to open your eyes.

Did we? Because the way I see it, a guy who cheated in the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections just happened to win again in 2024. Did he win because he had a popular mandate, or did he win because Elon Musk fucked with the voting machines?

We’ll never know, because Democrats are fucking stupid and are happy to let a known cheater and fraud to get away with it.

Not sure I agree with point #2 - I’d be willing to bet he would love to funnel some of that sweet tax money into his own pocket, but he doesn’t want it in the form of tax breaks for income earners, he wants it in the form of EV subsidies for Tesla, which Trump denied him by cutting the EV tax incentive from the spending bill. I don’t think he even acknowledges that tax breaks for billionaires are bad for the economy, just that the big bullshit bill is bad for him specifically.

On everything else, though, I agree wholeheartedly. His brand is toxic now, and without being able to sell a sub-par product at dirt-cheap prices, he’s going to get a heavy dose of reality when consumers reject his rolling coffins in favor of cheaper alternatives.

Sure, that’s fine, I just don’t want people to lose sight of the bigger picture here. Musk is not an altruist. He’s not the good guy all of a sudden. He didn’t grow a conscience after falling out with Trump.

If this political party ever gets off the ground, which it probably won’t, Musk will always have a controlling interest in it. He will never ever let the party move away from enabling and enacting his agenda, and his alone. He doesn’t give a single shit or a wipe about helping Americans. He wants to protect his fortune by taking control of the government apparatus to end regulations or investigations that impede the companies he is in charge of. That’s it.

I certainly hope that Democrats will see this for the nakedly transparent political maneuver that it is, and not get swept up in the idea of a 3rd party founded and controlled by a billionaire will bring any kind of meaningful change to the system. And I believe they will - we rejected Bloomberg and Steyer in 2020 because they were out-of-touch billionaires who tried to buy their way into the party, and I think that Democrats are not so easily fooled by the obvious bad faith rich cunts who try to buy their way into the public zeitgeist. I just worry that people will see this move by Musk as “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and shift closer to his values as a result. He might be the enemy of your enemy, but he’s still an an enemy as far as I’m concerned.

I just want to remind anyone thinking that this is a good thing because it will siphon off voters from the Republican Party - Elon Musk is only doing this because Trump cut the EV mandate from the Big Bullshit Bill and didn’t appoint his guy to NASA. No matter what he says about spending or debt ceilings, he doesn’t care about any of it and was in the loop the entire time that legislation was being crafted. He’s still only in this for himself, just as he was when he gleefully threw a Nazi salute on stage thinking he just got everything he could ever want when he bought the president his office.

The polling numbers after the election were horrifying. GenZ are like the Hitler Youth of today. Not just voting Trump because their parents were Republicans and influenced their political outlook, but enthusiastically embracing Trump because of memes and TikTok, not actually considering the consequences carefully.

It’s shameful, because even though most GenZ kids were not old enough to vote, they were almost old enough to vote back in 2016 when Trump took office the first time. It’s not like they are looking back at the early years of politics from their childhood fondly, they were definitely old enough to be able to see how destructive he was.

Major win for Trump the Traitor, devastating loss for the bottom 2/3rds of income earners.

If that were possible, I’ll like to go back a year and get a do-over on Butler, PA.

I feel so bad for this man, because even if he’s acquitted of all the charges, the insane right wingers will never let him have peace. They’ll hound him and his family forever.

Heck, even if he is guilty and the jury determines as such, it’s still not an excuse to torture him to death either.

So nearly 20% of people living in the United states are illegal aliens? Is that what she’s claiming?

This is what happens when the president goes on TV and says “millions and millions of people are pouring into the country every day” and nobody pushes back on that. They start to think it’s actually true and not just massive hyperbole from a known serial liar.

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Well, consider me corrected. I remember that race being much closer than it was. I guess I forgot that he came off of the G.W. Bush presidency so it makes sense that there was a huge shift towards the left.

I never said that, but have fun arguing with the strawman you worked so hard to build up.

So I guess your excuse if AOC or whatever female candidate the DNC happen to trot out next loses to the next guy, be that JD Vance, some other MAGA nutjob, or even Trump taking a shot at a third term, is that she isn’t charismatic or authentic, is that right?

No, no, it couldn’t possibly be because America has a misogyny problem. I mean, never mind the fact that black men earned the right to vote before any woman did, that’s not relevant at all. History never repeats itself. I’m sure those basement dwelling neckbeards and macho-man wanna-bes will TOTALLY sign on to canvas for AOC. I’m sure her being a woman will not be a factor at all, people will be so enamored with her great policy that they will forget about it entirely!

How many black candidates lost to white candidates in a post-primary presidential race?

That’s right, zero.

How many female candidates have lost to male candidates in a post-primary presidential race?

Two, or in other words, all of them.

You can make an argument to say that there was racist gatekeeping back when Obama was running, and that was absolutely true, but we never actually had a situation where a political party fronted a black man and lost. We actually do have data that shows that America rejected a female presidential candidate twice. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that America simply isn’t socially developed enough to be capable of looking past the misogyny and we should take that into consideration if our goal is to win.

This is the realistic take. Racism is bad enough in this country that we just barely squeaked Obama into office as a half-black man. Misogyny is way more widespread. Spend about 5 minutes in an online game chat room and you’ll see what I mean. Not to mention the manosphere/blackpilling are actually growing movements rather than shrinking.

I think AOC is great and that she would make a fine administrator, but let’s keep her in congress for now where she can still do a lot of good for the progressive cause. There’s no need to put someone who the right has spent years building up as the antichrist boogeyman as the frontrunner when we already have a poor track record of prominent female politicians losing the presidential race to the most embarrassingly unqualified candidate in American history.

This is how the president responds to the democratic process…

I am so glad this guy is scaring the everloving fuck out of the right and the DINOs. I want a legion of folk just like him to run for office in every state and every office so we can sweep away the remnants of the old guard.

So true. What we are experiencing now is the “new normal”, and electing Joe Biden proved that we can’t restore sanity just by voting a democrat in office. Every time we get a conservative from now on, we should expect more of this wacky Trumpian bullshit, even if Trump isn’t at the helm.

There are, as you said, only two way of actually fixing the problem. All-out civil war, which nobody really wants and may not culminate in actually winning, or untethering ourselves from the minority party currently running the failed state by seceding, preferably peacefully. That presents it’s own unique challenges and problems, but it’s by far a better solution than continuing to course correct the sinking ship like we are now. We will only drown with the captain and his crew of morons who intend to go down with the ship.

US: “NATO members need to up their defense spending!”

NATO: “Okay, we’ll do it.”

US: “Actually, We’re leaving NATO.” 🤡

Change the constitution then. It’s crystal clear. We don’t live in a vibe democracy. You don’t jut get to pick and choose what laws you get to follow if you want to be a nation of laws at all.