I would vote for Newsom…as President of the breakaway Republic of California

It’s in the title, dude. First place.

If the vote were right now, then according to this poll, yes

You delusional fucks are literally denying reality

It’s literally in the title. First place.

The year is 2028

AOC wins the Democratic nomination

Lemmy immediately ridicules AOC as a shitlib centrist and says that to save democracy, we must protest vote for [insert name here].

A Democratic centrist literally polled at #1. It’s in the headline.

Exactly. If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.

Is that in the best interests of the American people? No. Is it an entirely understandable reaction? Yes.

Harris polls in 1st place

Lemmy Leftists: “no one wants Harris!”

Y’all are in a bubble.

We might already be in the “death camps” phase of fascism.

Under Biden, economic inequality decreased for the first time in a generation.

But you dumb shits absolutely refused to believe it. Because propaganda fucking works.

but I held my nose like I always do.

Leftist card revoked, you are now a collaborator.

But instead of fixing anything

When we showed you literally how he was fixing things, you LITERALLY DENIED REALITY AND CALLED IT FAKE NEWS.

You people are a cult just as bad as MAGA, and serve the same ends.

Oh FUCKING NOW we need unity?!

Fuck you people forever.

She should have been out there rallying a crowd to scream this shit in Biden’s ear back when it mattered. She should have been holding firm on “Defund ICE” back before they were snatching people off the street and shoving them in El Salvadorian prisons.

She was. Turns out nothing you do matters if the entire media apparatus is conspiring with the other side.

Unfortunately, all institutions need to divest their funding sources away from the Federal government so these economic threats can’t be used against them.

Plural “you”. I treat Leftists as interchangeable, since you all parrot the same talking points. Like how suddenly everyone forgot about Gaza.

And hang on, are you really suggesting Obamacare increased economic inequality?

Yes, Democrats are pro-business. Many of them moreso than I (or most Democrats) would like. But there is a significant wing of the Democrats that constantly push for more regulation and trust busting, higher taxes on the rich, more benefits for the poor. Everything you want, short of full worker ownership of the means of production (and some are in favor of that too). This wing is not in control of the Democratic party because of two reasons: 1. until the MAGA takeover, compromise was necessary with Republicans to get legislation passed and people elected; and 2. Leftists refuse to vote, so the progressive wing of the Democratic party has a dramatically smaller base than it should.

But that’s a bit of a tangent. It is entirely possible to have both a liberal economic philosophy AND a strong government to check businesses. Europe has been doing it for generations. Liberal economic philosophy is not the problem. The problem is Republicans - both the business interests capturing the government, and the reactionaries tearing the government down. And now, recently, the outright fascists trying to remake the government into a tool of oppression. None of these are inherent facets of liberal economics. They’re something that can be and need to be kept in check, and we are failing to do so. If anything, they’re inherent facets of any economic paradigm, and whatever you want to replace liberalism with will have to deal with them too.

NOPE

FUCKIN HOLD IT

You don’t get to spend all day conflating liberals and neoliberals and then just de-conflate them whenever you want. You damn Leftists have spent 10 years pretending that liberal = neoliberal. Neoliberals are fucking Republicans. Bush, Cheney, Romney. If you’re talking about neoliberal policy, then this whole conversation has little to do with Democrats.

So let’s get this shit straight right now: are we talking about Democrat policies and politicians, or Republican policies and politicians?

Neoliberal policy has led (as it always does) to massive wealth inequality and a general mistrust in government.

This is the keystone of your entire position and you breezed past it as if it wasn’t total fiction. Liberal policies have lifted billions of people globally out of poverty. Over the last century, they have measurably improved lives to an extent and at a speed that would stagger a peasant in the 1600s. Liberal capitalism is, in an extremely measurable way, quite likely the greatest invention in the history of mankind.

In the near term, Democratic policies under Biden literally reduced the wealth gap for the first time in a generation. The problem was, facts be damned, people felt like the wealth gap was getting worse.

Which brings us to the real reason for distrust in government under democratic policies - literal fucking media propaganda. The Fascists took over the media apparatus, and the rest was history.

byeeeee

That doesn’t even make sense. You’re floundering.