We all share responsibility to take real action to focus our species on solutions to avoid mass suffering and death.
I do take some fairly serious steps towards anticonsumption and reducing my footprint, such as not eating meat. One of the steps I have taken to reduce the environmental damage that I cause is to not have children. This has an additional effect of preventing their suffering and death.
This seems to be perfectly in line with your stated goal.
Your personal choices are your own decision, but I do think it’s admirable for you to claim personal responsibility.
Though, shaming or judging others for wanting to have a family and continue their genetic line is not something I advocate for.
Your small steps to reduce your impact simply aren’t enough. Even if they were bigger than they are, it still doesn’t put you on a pedestal to look down on others for their decisions. You are free to do so, but you won’t get my approval.
We need worldwide change. Vastly reducing animal agriculture and non-essential industry is imperative.
Choosing to not consume meat doesn’t solve the major issue. It doesn’t make even make a small dent and virtue signalling about your choices doesn’t do anything either.
People buy this stuff because it’s usually cheap and readily available. It’s cheap and readily available because there is almost no regulation.
Slowly phasing out factory farming and animal agriculture and replacing it with lab-grown meat is necessary. We also need to explore non-meat protein sources more seriously, the options that exist just suck, they are expensive (besides tofu), and many products contain common allergens, like soy and wheat.
You seem to be going out of your way to respond negatively to someone who is trying to do something. But you seem mistaken in thinking that I’m seeking some sort of approval.
No, I’m more interested in setting an example that others can follow. Are you familiar with the quote “be the change that you want to see”? I don’t tell people not to eat meat. I let my actions speak for me and simply show them that it can be done, and how to do it. This goes for other anticonsumption habits that I practice as well.
Could you please help me figure out protein sources that are non-meat and don’t include wheat or soy? I have trouble digesting large quantities of beans. It’s affecting my health.
And of course I greatly appreciate you. I realize you aren’t seeking approval. I think wanting to ease the suffering of others that exist is also admirable. People like us are attempting to trailblaze a better future and of course it’s worthy of recognition.
Soy, in particular, is my single-biggest source. While wheat is used for some plant-based proteins, I would expect that a wheat sensitivity or allergy has broader implications beyond protein. Since I don’t need to avoid soy, I consume regular tofu. However they do make soy-free tofu from a variety of other sources, such as “pumfu” made from pumpkin seeds. I can’t attest to its taste, however.
In addition to soy, I lean heavily on beans (soy is a bean … so other types of beans) and lentils. Nuts and peanuts are also a good source of protein, but I can only consume limited quantities due to their high fat content which is a digestive issue for me. They do make a de-fatted peanut butter powder that you could probably mix into shakes and such; it has about 50% of calories from protein. Pea protein may be another option, but this might hit upon your limitations on beans and is also a processed food item.
Admittedly, allergies to soy and wheat and restriction on beans does kneecap you a bit. Is the issue with beans the fiber content? I’m just curious if this will spill over into other legumes such as lentils, peanuts, and pea protein.
Thank you. I am very grateful for your insights. I haven’t asked for help much at all in my life and I appreciate it more than you know.
I am unsure what generally causes my discomfort in the bean department. Soy and tofu cause very awful non-allergic reactions, but I will look into this further. As for wheat, I highly suspect it’s more than a sensitivity, though I don’t particularly want to pursue a diagnosis for celiac disease if I can just avoid it.
I tend to do fine with moderate amounts of pinto beans, kidney beans, black beans, chickpeas, and a few others, but admittedly it seems like there are more beans that I can try and vary. Lentils seem to give me some trouble though, which is unfortunate because I like them more than most beans.
Pea protein and peanut butter seem to be fine. I will look into pumfu (sounds life-changing) and defatted peanut butter and incorporate those into my diet. I tend to do fine with pumpkin seeds and peanuts, but I also have issues with high fat content food. Great suggestions, I had no idea they were a thing. I don’t really care about taste, I just want to be healthy and make choices that align with my ethics.
You put a smile on my face. Sorry to be perceivably negative, the situation on this planet is incredibly frustrating for everybody with a desire for a better future and I don’t want to alienate anyone. Thanks once again.
Edit: Apparently chickpea tofu is a thing too. I will have to try that because chickpeas are a bean I tolerate the most. I just never shopped at the local retailer that stocks it. Pumfu is proving hard to find near me unless I go 36 miles to obtain it, but maybe I can stock up if I ever have to go that way.
I was thinking on this some more, and another source that I didn’t mention was mycoprotein and other fungal proteins. These aren’t as common, but you could look for Quorn (note that many, but not all, of their products do contain egg) or Meati. Mushrooms have a good % of calories from protein, but they do tend to be rather expensive so really more of a way to round things out. Nutritional yeast is more of a seasoning than a food per se, but you might get a gram or 2 here and there. I put it on popcorn and mix into some sauces.
There are also some non-wheat grains that I would consider modest sources of protein: oats and quinoa. These aren’t heavy hitters and aren’t enough on their own but can help fill in the gaps and provide some variety. Oats at least are also very inexpensive.
It’s worth mentioning that I specifically avoided introducing myself using the “v-word” (vegan). Although I consider it to be the ideal to strive for, I take “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” to heart and find that discussing a reduction in animal products to be a more approachable goal for many people. I’m not a dietician and won’t claim that everyone can make it work without animal proteins, particularly those with multiple allergies, unique requirements, or limitations on what food is actually available to them. From your earlier comment, I agree with your assessment on lab-grown meat and am a huge supporter of these technologies. You should know that lab-grown dairy protein (whey) already exists and is available in commercial products. I have had ice cream and cream cheese using this animal-free dairy protein.
I’m sorry if my previous comment came off a bit aggressive. I think I had misread your intent, but now it is clear that we are on the same page.
It’s definitely warmed my heart hearing your thoughts and insights.
I do actually think Quorn is around in some retailers, but it is expensive - it’s not terribly expensive though. I liked it when I consumed it in the past and it agreed well with me. Beyond/Impossible have a small amount of amount of problematic ingredients (like avocado oil in one of them - which I am allergic to, not just sensitive to), but the main issue I simply can’t afford them.
I recently moved back to a rural area and I don’t access to a Kroger/Whole Foods/Wegmans (not that supporting any chain is really something I’m proud of), so admittedly my options are limited. This interaction prompting me to find out that chickpea tofu is available locally and that pumfu is available (though a bit far from my location) is completely life-changing.
I’ll have to get nutritional yeast, I didn’t realize it was an (albeit small) protein source - it’s a great seasoning. The defatted peanut powder seems very good to order in bulk. I had no idea about lab-grown dairy protein, it sounds great and I will consider it as well. I didn’t realize quinoa had a modest amount of protein, so I will have to incorporate that. And I’ll have to trial oats to see if they bother me. I take a plant-based multivitamin for vegans (Ora) already so I should be good to transition over anytime I want to a fully plant-based diet.
I have always aspired to go vegan, and was a practicing vegetarian for many years. It was wrecking my health, and I really almost didn’t know what to do. It took me a while (and many years in denial) to realize wheat and soy were the culprits that were specifically bothering me. So for many years, I have mainly ate fish, a moderate amount of beans, some cheese, or ate some free-range eggs, and small amounts of poultry (which does not bring me any joy to admit). None of the aforementioned (besides beans) are things I’m particularly fond of consuming for various reasons (which we likely are 110% on the same page on), but I admit on some levels I’d had given up on trying to find what agrees with my body.
Our interaction has renewed my interest in exploring my options though. I probably misread your intent too, I know I err on the side of naive optimism and that usually doesn’t result in the best interactions with people who are informed on the state of the world, but damn it, I’m just tired of giving up and seeing others give up.
Thank you for exposing me to your knowledge once again. I am sorry to have reacted strongly earlier too. It was unfair to you.
I’d like to kindly request that you not drag anyone down with you in the process. I respect your right to feel the way you do though, and I wish suicide was more accessible and humane for individuals to explore.
That’s not the outcome I’d want to see. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy in your previous comments about people having children being “selfish”.
You are clearly someone who deeply cares about the climate issue, but you are targeting your anger at people who are trying to live normal lives. If you and others in a similar position instead channelled it towards the people who are actively trying to harm the planet, I believe you would have a far chance in seeing the change you want.
As someone who has been in a similar place in the past, therapy can be a very helpful way to reframe things. I wish you all the best.
Humanity needs to die, but good job trying to make this into a rip on capitalism. Gonna toss some genocide in there? Go back to ML
Are you okay? I’m not a Marxist-Leninist or an authoritarian. The personal attacks keep coming, but you aren’t hitting the mark.
Regardless, I’m sorry you feel that way. Check out r/solarpunk or slrpnk.net to see more nuanced discussion on the issues our species faces and what we can do.
Good luck with that sweetie. You’re decades too late to make change. It’s a free-for-all until the end times, while the rich build their bunkers. Look around and wake up.
Continue spinning the tales of the rich, it’s no sweat off my back to call your fantasies out. Nobody wants to live in a world that is scarce and violent. Next.
Be civil -
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
I’m a childless (for life) gay person and I’m not a Christian. Nice personal attack, though.
We all share responsibility to take real action to focus our species on solutions to avoid mass suffering and death.
I do take some fairly serious steps towards anticonsumption and reducing my footprint, such as not eating meat. One of the steps I have taken to reduce the environmental damage that I cause is to not have children. This has an additional effect of preventing their suffering and death.
This seems to be perfectly in line with your stated goal.
Your personal choices are your own decision, but I do think it’s admirable for you to claim personal responsibility.
Though, shaming or judging others for wanting to have a family and continue their genetic line is not something I advocate for.
Your small steps to reduce your impact simply aren’t enough. Even if they were bigger than they are, it still doesn’t put you on a pedestal to look down on others for their decisions. You are free to do so, but you won’t get my approval.
We need worldwide change. Vastly reducing animal agriculture and non-essential industry is imperative.
Choosing to not consume meat doesn’t solve the major issue. It doesn’t make even make a small dent and virtue signalling about your choices doesn’t do anything either.
People buy this stuff because it’s usually cheap and readily available. It’s cheap and readily available because there is almost no regulation.
Slowly phasing out factory farming and animal agriculture and replacing it with lab-grown meat is necessary. We also need to explore non-meat protein sources more seriously, the options that exist just suck, they are expensive (besides tofu), and many products contain common allergens, like soy and wheat.
You seem to be going out of your way to respond negatively to someone who is trying to do something. But you seem mistaken in thinking that I’m seeking some sort of approval.
No, I’m more interested in setting an example that others can follow. Are you familiar with the quote “be the change that you want to see”? I don’t tell people not to eat meat. I let my actions speak for me and simply show them that it can be done, and how to do it. This goes for other anticonsumption habits that I practice as well.
Could you please help me figure out protein sources that are non-meat and don’t include wheat or soy? I have trouble digesting large quantities of beans. It’s affecting my health.
And of course I greatly appreciate you. I realize you aren’t seeking approval. I think wanting to ease the suffering of others that exist is also admirable. People like us are attempting to trailblaze a better future and of course it’s worthy of recognition.
Soy, in particular, is my single-biggest source. While wheat is used for some plant-based proteins, I would expect that a wheat sensitivity or allergy has broader implications beyond protein. Since I don’t need to avoid soy, I consume regular tofu. However they do make soy-free tofu from a variety of other sources, such as “pumfu” made from pumpkin seeds. I can’t attest to its taste, however.
In addition to soy, I lean heavily on beans (soy is a bean … so other types of beans) and lentils. Nuts and peanuts are also a good source of protein, but I can only consume limited quantities due to their high fat content which is a digestive issue for me. They do make a de-fatted peanut butter powder that you could probably mix into shakes and such; it has about 50% of calories from protein. Pea protein may be another option, but this might hit upon your limitations on beans and is also a processed food item.
Admittedly, allergies to soy and wheat and restriction on beans does kneecap you a bit. Is the issue with beans the fiber content? I’m just curious if this will spill over into other legumes such as lentils, peanuts, and pea protein.
Thank you. I am very grateful for your insights. I haven’t asked for help much at all in my life and I appreciate it more than you know.
I am unsure what generally causes my discomfort in the bean department. Soy and tofu cause very awful non-allergic reactions, but I will look into this further. As for wheat, I highly suspect it’s more than a sensitivity, though I don’t particularly want to pursue a diagnosis for celiac disease if I can just avoid it.
I tend to do fine with moderate amounts of pinto beans, kidney beans, black beans, chickpeas, and a few others, but admittedly it seems like there are more beans that I can try and vary. Lentils seem to give me some trouble though, which is unfortunate because I like them more than most beans.
Pea protein and peanut butter seem to be fine. I will look into pumfu (sounds life-changing) and defatted peanut butter and incorporate those into my diet. I tend to do fine with pumpkin seeds and peanuts, but I also have issues with high fat content food. Great suggestions, I had no idea they were a thing. I don’t really care about taste, I just want to be healthy and make choices that align with my ethics.
You put a smile on my face. Sorry to be perceivably negative, the situation on this planet is incredibly frustrating for everybody with a desire for a better future and I don’t want to alienate anyone. Thanks once again.
Edit: Apparently chickpea tofu is a thing too. I will have to try that because chickpeas are a bean I tolerate the most. I just never shopped at the local retailer that stocks it. Pumfu is proving hard to find near me unless I go 36 miles to obtain it, but maybe I can stock up if I ever have to go that way.
I was thinking on this some more, and another source that I didn’t mention was mycoprotein and other fungal proteins. These aren’t as common, but you could look for Quorn (note that many, but not all, of their products do contain egg) or Meati. Mushrooms have a good % of calories from protein, but they do tend to be rather expensive so really more of a way to round things out. Nutritional yeast is more of a seasoning than a food per se, but you might get a gram or 2 here and there. I put it on popcorn and mix into some sauces.
There are also some non-wheat grains that I would consider modest sources of protein: oats and quinoa. These aren’t heavy hitters and aren’t enough on their own but can help fill in the gaps and provide some variety. Oats at least are also very inexpensive.
It’s worth mentioning that I specifically avoided introducing myself using the “v-word” (vegan). Although I consider it to be the ideal to strive for, I take “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” to heart and find that discussing a reduction in animal products to be a more approachable goal for many people. I’m not a dietician and won’t claim that everyone can make it work without animal proteins, particularly those with multiple allergies, unique requirements, or limitations on what food is actually available to them. From your earlier comment, I agree with your assessment on lab-grown meat and am a huge supporter of these technologies. You should know that lab-grown dairy protein (whey) already exists and is available in commercial products. I have had ice cream and cream cheese using this animal-free dairy protein.
I’m sorry if my previous comment came off a bit aggressive. I think I had misread your intent, but now it is clear that we are on the same page.
It’s definitely warmed my heart hearing your thoughts and insights.
I do actually think Quorn is around in some retailers, but it is expensive - it’s not terribly expensive though. I liked it when I consumed it in the past and it agreed well with me. Beyond/Impossible have a small amount of amount of problematic ingredients (like avocado oil in one of them - which I am allergic to, not just sensitive to), but the main issue I simply can’t afford them.
I recently moved back to a rural area and I don’t access to a Kroger/Whole Foods/Wegmans (not that supporting any chain is really something I’m proud of), so admittedly my options are limited. This interaction prompting me to find out that chickpea tofu is available locally and that pumfu is available (though a bit far from my location) is completely life-changing.
I’ll have to get nutritional yeast, I didn’t realize it was an (albeit small) protein source - it’s a great seasoning. The defatted peanut powder seems very good to order in bulk. I had no idea about lab-grown dairy protein, it sounds great and I will consider it as well. I didn’t realize quinoa had a modest amount of protein, so I will have to incorporate that. And I’ll have to trial oats to see if they bother me. I take a plant-based multivitamin for vegans (Ora) already so I should be good to transition over anytime I want to a fully plant-based diet.
I have always aspired to go vegan, and was a practicing vegetarian for many years. It was wrecking my health, and I really almost didn’t know what to do. It took me a while (and many years in denial) to realize wheat and soy were the culprits that were specifically bothering me. So for many years, I have mainly ate fish, a moderate amount of beans, some cheese, or ate some free-range eggs, and small amounts of poultry (which does not bring me any joy to admit). None of the aforementioned (besides beans) are things I’m particularly fond of consuming for various reasons (which we likely are 110% on the same page on), but I admit on some levels I’d had given up on trying to find what agrees with my body.
Our interaction has renewed my interest in exploring my options though. I probably misread your intent too, I know I err on the side of naive optimism and that usually doesn’t result in the best interactions with people who are informed on the state of the world, but damn it, I’m just tired of giving up and seeing others give up.
Thank you for exposing me to your knowledge once again. I am sorry to have reacted strongly earlier too. It was unfair to you.
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If that’s truly your view, then your continued existence is both selfish and hypocritical
Hey buddy, if it was easier to push the power button I would.
I’d like to kindly request that you not drag anyone down with you in the process. I respect your right to feel the way you do though, and I wish suicide was more accessible and humane for individuals to explore.
Hey pal, how about you stop browsing my shit and commenting on everything I comment on. That’s stalking, and breaking a few rules.
It’s the same thread. I’m not following you. I have never talked to you before the past hour to the best of my knowledge.
I’d like you to block me. That way you don’t have to worry about hearing anything I say, because everything I say upsets you. Do us both a favor.
If this was about what personally upsets or offends me, and not the fate of the world and everybody who lives on it, maybe I’d agree with you.
I don’t block others, just block me if I bother you so much to accuse me of stalking you.
That’s not the outcome I’d want to see. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy in your previous comments about people having children being “selfish”.
You are clearly someone who deeply cares about the climate issue, but you are targeting your anger at people who are trying to live normal lives. If you and others in a similar position instead channelled it towards the people who are actively trying to harm the planet, I believe you would have a far chance in seeing the change you want.
As someone who has been in a similar place in the past, therapy can be a very helpful way to reframe things. I wish you all the best.
Oh baby, this is me after therapy. I decided to stick around and watch y’all burn alive as you talk about “awareness” and “normal lives.”
Thoughts and prayers 💋
Are you okay? I’m not a Marxist-Leninist or an authoritarian. The personal attacks keep coming, but you aren’t hitting the mark.
Regardless, I’m sorry you feel that way. Check out r/solarpunk or slrpnk.net to see more nuanced discussion on the issues our species faces and what we can do.
Hey, you’re the one who said not having kids is giving up. Weirdo.
Go back to Reddit
Hypocrite
I did not, re-read.
I meant spreading awareness and taking action on any scale you are able. We all have a responsibility to do so.
Good luck with that sweetie. You’re decades too late to make change. It’s a free-for-all until the end times, while the rich build their bunkers. Look around and wake up.
Continue spinning the tales of the rich, it’s no sweat off my back to call your fantasies out. Nobody wants to live in a world that is scarce and violent. Next.
You’re not calling anything out. You’re rambling. Go back to Reddit.
I should’ve just reported. D’oh.