no, we just want eggs
The oligarchy and the billionaires/millionaires in America want Gaza strip so they can vacation there and profit from it.
there’s nothing left to vacation in
Oh they’ll just bring in a few bull dozers and then throw some sand overtop to cover the genocide and build a new maralago somewhere there.
I don’t know bout y’all, but I certainly did not have “annex Gaza and turn it into a beach resort” on my 2025 Q1 bingo card.
The more I read comments like this, the more I realise nobody really paid attention in the lead up to the election. They even had artists impressions of beach front development for crying out loud.
I feel like Trump’s campaign speed was like one of the early seasons of 24, where so much is happening that the “turning Gaza into a beach resort” subplot must have drowned.
Pre-election Danish news media were mostly covering the Harris roller-coaster, and post-election we’ve all been a little preoccupied with being threatened by our closest ally.
Just a not even remotely friendly reminder that if you are American, eligible to vote and didn’t vote for Kamala then you actively voted for this. Actively voted for genocide. If you didn’t vote you’re even fucking worse because at least the Republicans were willing to openly say what horrible people they are. You just don’t care.
The United States is a failed country, a terrorist state and should be wrenched away from its people. You do not deserve to have a country that large with that much power when you are incapable of agreeing on a singular fucking thing. The United States should be forcibly broken up into at least 2, if not more, countries that can make up a trade bloc. This bullshit of getting everyone killed from coast to coast because of your pathetic patriotic ego of “wahhhhhhh but my countryyyyyyyyyy”
Fuck the United States.
I mostly agree.
Also, I live in the US.
I want to say I’m amazed at the shit fucking takes to justify awful choices that directly lead to a fascist overthrow in response to your comment. But these types love to justify their choices even though they directly lead to an open fascist takeover of our country because BoTh SiDeS bAd because they couldn’t be bothered to engage in harm reduction and are ok with Gaza getting glassed and a probable trans genocide at home.
Fuck anyone who uses genocide to justify the situation where we now get more genocide, they never actually cared about it in the first place aside from talking points. Either that, or talk is more important than action. Either way, their opinions are meaningless to me as I help my trans homies survive.
Yup. It is incredible at how deeply they’ve fallen for propaganda. Like Joe Biden being the one to send bombs like he personally wrapped the package. No one is blaming Congress, the people who actually approved the transfer of weapons. Nah. They wanna blame the President for not illegally stopping a transfer and opening himself up for impeachment like Trump did.
These people have no understanding of the US political system. They just scream and cry because they saw a few Youtube Shorts or TikToks and think they’re suddenly educated. That they can blame the figurehead for everything.
It is insane. Biden was the most progressive President the United States has had in decades and every single fuckwit bought the propaganda that the Right Wing was pushing. Was he perfect? God no. But he was miles better than Obama was but nah. Lets just scream about how awful he is because his hands were tied on Israel/Palestine, a problem that has absolutely no answer that doesn’t rip the fabric of someones world.
Children.
What’s the point of saying that here? If you’re an American who could vote and you’re on Lemmy there’s a 99.9% chance you voted blue. But even if that weren’t the case, all of this transpired while we had a Democrat in office, so it’s just a horrible continuation of an already existing trend
The US shouldn’t be considered a single country. The EU has way more in common between it’s members and acts more like one country than the US.
Breaking it up in 50 different states is probably gonna cause a war I see that.
Slowly the US (which has been a terrible country for a lot of people) is dying and pulling others down. The US has pushed it’s bullshit into way to many countries it is not even funny.
The contradiction between blaming voting blocs and then blaming rampant patriotism is not even remotely unironic.
The patriotism is what put them in this mess but the voting blocs are what is killing them. The United States had no business being the country that it is. It overextended its reach to an absurd extent. It tried to captiulate to too many people who all wanted to share in the nationlistic nonsense that America pumps out daily. Now the country is fragmented to hell. Too many people feel like that the country doesn’t represent them in anyway while also insisting that the United States should be another way. So they rally around two voting blocs that diverge and don’t represent really anyone because they’re either like the Democrats and spreading themselves too thin while making no one happy or the Republicans who actively ignore what their voters want the second they have power.
The country is schizophrenic.
I understand the emotional appeal to blaming individuals for their action/inaction, but the fault lies with the system of governance. You can try to herd cats until the cows come home, but it only leaves you frustrated and drained. We can only educate ourselves, and try to educate others.
I understand the emotional appeal to blaming individuals for their action/inaction, but the fault lies with the system of governance.
And how do you fix that?
VOTE.
My blame is accurately placed.
I’ve been voting for 40 years, and look where we are. I understand the desire for change, but have to remind myself not to fall victim to electoral fetishism. Real, lasting change, can only come from social movements by the people.
Yes. This is true. Do you know how you effect those social movements in the government?
By voting.
You cannot argue that you are trying to participate in a social change of government by not engaging in that system of government. It is what is there. If you want to change it, you either need a full on revolution or active social change effected through voting in of various representatives that actually represent you and are willing to change those laws. True, you cannot fall to electoral fetishism, but that doesn’t mean to just ignore it entirely.
So. Once again, I am blaming the voters which is an accurate blame to place. Why? Because they are uneducated, hostile, or hateful. They do not engage in the voting system, they engage in spectacle. Whether that be by posting random comments like this Index person who is blatantly a Russian or by throwing a hissy fit but not doing anything.
The reason this cycle keeps continuing is because voters do not educate themselves and vote for their best interests. It is just as simple as that. Straight up. It isn’t complex. There isn’t some massive conspiracy. People just do not bother.
I believe you mentioned that propaganda influences people. The same system that educates us, propagandizes us. Why blame those who are miseducated and manipulated? That’s barking up the wrong tree. I get it, I’ve been where you are. It’s frustrating. And it’s difficult to stay focused on the root cause (because of propaganda). Fighting with friends and family, even though you may be right, is fruitless. It’s much better, and more productive, to listen, try to understand where they are misinformed, and try to find common ground. I have influenced many in my life through connecting on an emotional level, and then steering them to constructive conversations of understanding. They want us at each other’s throats.
If you didn’t vote then you voted. Got it.
You’re complicit in the result, correct.
That’s not what OP said. He said not voting is voting.
Not engaging is also a choice, a very shit one in this case. You either contributed -1, 0, or +1 to a fascist takeover, sure 0 might be better than +1 but taking a neutral stance against such a dogshit prospect really puts the chair in armchair revolutionary, and doesn’t make you much better than the cheeto worshippers.
OP is saying +1 = 0.
Both sides were pro-genocide, you need a multi-party system
Imagine saying that with a straight face with one side has just declared they want to very actively partake in the genocide and just do the job themselves.
This is like saying giving a murderer a knife is the same as going in with a machine gun yourself.
Correct. If you didn’t vote then you are spineless, a coward and lack any morals. You saw fascism coming and ignored what everyone said and then decided that it wasn’t worth the bare minimum effort of voting.
If you did not cast a ballot and you were eligible to do so then the things I want to say to you would get me banned from lemmy and probably arrested.
K. That doesn’t explain your nonsense about “If you didn’t vote then you voted”.
It literally does. Your reading comprehension skills are not my problem.
It’s not my reading comprehension that’s at issue here, it’s your abilities with basic logic.
Ratio says otherwise. You are getting hammered with downvotes because you can’t grasp the simple concept that I put forward.
Ooh, “I’m popular so I’m right”. Yep, you have a major problem with logic.
I mean my vote hasn’t mattered in the last 2 elections. My state hasnt flipped blue since Obama. There’s a lot of situations where voting is a waste of time. Making that not be true is what’s going to increase voter turnout, not trying to shame them for something they’re not responsible for
And if everyone in your state who thought that actually decided to vote then it might have actually made an impact.
See previous message.
He’s just saying out loud what Biden and Blinken were already planning in 2023:
Plan to force Palestinians to Sinai yet another Biden disaster
This crisis could result in displacement across borders and higher regional humanitarian needs, and funding may be used to meet evolving programming requirements outside of Gaza, including Israel, West Bank, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt.
