• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    6 days ago

    So, incorrect usage of a fallacy, moving goalposts, feigned ignorance , and now projection.

    Claiming that something is a fallacy doesn’t make it any less true. It’s a very lazy way of arguing.

    The real problem is that some countries are actively trying to de-anonymize internet users. Not all countries accused of it are actually doing it, not all laws that people say will do it actually have this goal and not every technology that makes it possible will for sure be used with this purpose. Going on wild chases after some silly PRs in systemd or digital IDs is not helping anyone. It just serves as a distraction and makes fighting the real threats more difficult.

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      6 days ago

      Claiming that something is a fallacy doesn’t make it any less true. It’s a very lazy way of arguing.

      I agree completely, i’ve seen an example of this recently :

      It’s just a stupid “slippery slope” fear mongering.

      I also have a list of examples of things that are not fallacies, just poor debate skills:

      • Incorrect usage of a fallacy
      • moving goalposts
      • feigned ignorance
      • projection

      If i had to pick one though i’d probably go with the Invincible ignorance fallacy


      The real problem is that some countries are actively trying to de-anonymize internet users. Not all countries accused of it are actually doing it, not all laws that people say will do it actually have this goal and not every technology that makes it possible will for sure be used with this purpose.

      100% agree that this is a big problem, it’s not the only one, but a big one.

      I’m expecting it to work on a multiplicative curve, exponential ? geometric?

      All of the bits from various places will add up and continue to accumulate momentum towards the goal.

      Going on wild chases after some silly PRs in systemd or digital IDs is not helping anyone. It just serves as a distraction and makes fighting the real threats more difficult.

      Which is again, not the point and also incorrect.

      Highlighting this as another example of the continuous creep towards end goal while explaining the increasing encroachment is incredibly useful for getting more eyes on the bigger picture.

      because…the issue isn’t the PR , but the intent behind it.

      If it was just about the PR itself in isolation, i’d agree with you.

      If anything, you trying to shut down the discussion around this “silly” PR is doing more to harm the general increase in awareness.

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          4 days ago

          Highlighting this as another example of the continuous creep towards end goal while explaining the increasing encroachment is incredibly useful for getting more eyes on the bigger picture.

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