This is why you need to have 2 computers. One to run a boring distro that just works. And the other one for installing distros that you can ride for fun as it goes down in flames.
The best of both worlds.
Pick a side bruh
No. Is there an Italian distro?
ArcheOS
So.Di.Linux
BOINC.Italy Linux Distro (BILD)
DEFT Linux
Sabayon Linux
openmamba
A boring OS is a healthy OS.
Yeah, that’s me comfortably sitting on Bazzite right now. There are definitely ways for it to improve, but I’ve only really ever had one issue in the last few months, and that was fixed the next week. I just get to use my computer, and it’s nice.
Did you also have an issue booting due to some network driver issue on 43.20260309? I had to rpm-ostree rollback to 43.20260217 a couple weeks ago. Besides that, Bazzite has indeed been very smooth sailing.
Ah, thankfully I didn’t run into that one. I have a goxlr and they broke it for 2 weeks so I did a manual rollback until it was fixed, because having audio is kinda nice.
I was about to say! Who the hell thinks their computer being reliable is boring!?
People who like fixing things.
Yeah but I like to tinker when I chose to tinker. Not randomly when I’m trying to get work done
I am one of those people, but I’m still annoyed when my tools don’t work right. I hate having to fix something, only to find out that my tool I need for that also needs repairs. I use my computer’s primarily as tools, so I almost always am at least a little annoyed when my computer demands attention all of a sudden.
Maybe there are others that are hobbyists. I guess if you’re a computer tinkerer primarily, troubleshooting that crap can be like cultivating a zen garden, but it is the opposite for me.
I totally understand. That’s why I have a working Mac and a sometimes working Linux machine.
Based on my years of community experience, whichever you pick is wrong and you’re a bad person for thinking that it was the right choice.
I just picked omarchy for my first time using linux as my primary os
How do you like it?
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If you put a ! before the link it’ll embed the image (you may need to leave the [] blank, I’m not sure)
I know. I specifically chose not to.
e: lol don’t downvote them! People come to the meme community with no sense of humor, smhing my head.
I appreciate you!
That reminds me, anyone know if I can have the images/gifs in comments be collapsed as default?
The old.lemmy.world frontend has the option to “collapse inline media” in the settings, but it isn’t available on the default one.
I figured out the “collapse inline media” thing about 2 months ago… after almost 2 decades of reddit use… about 3 weeks before I deleted my account…
Oh well, at least I got to enjoy it for a wee bit there
The default web interface doesn’t do it and the images are not tagged in a way that you could easily fix it with CSS. You could possibly do it with a greasemonkey script (see your local LLM).
Haha, you overestimate me, I’m struggling with trying to change the colors in CSS, trying to hide images or whatnot would be like asking a monkey to change the timing belt of a car engine.
NixOS manages to be all of these at once except the manual dependency management
NixOS is indirect manual dependency management.
And to cover complexity, I just let an LLM do most of the work - it knows more about NixLang than me anyway (though I can read it).
What’s the one on the left?
Either way, boring is good.
Boring is good indeed. I’m running Bazzite on both my gaming desktop as well as my work laptop (webdev). The only reason I think about Bazzite at all is because I see it mentioned everywhere and feel the need to share my experience. Otherwise, it really is out of sight, out of mind.
Yup. I agree. Immutable distros save me from myself and endless tweaking. I have it on my gaming laptop and my gaming desktop. I’ll be throwing it on my wife’s gaming desktop soon enough.
I don’t have any experience with immutable distros, are they harder/impossible to tweak, or just easier?
The core files are read-only. You can layer new system applications, but it’s not as easy as just installing a package. Most things are handled via Flatpaks. So the base is solid and you can’t do much to really ruin the stability.
There is a learning curve, as it’s different than normal distros.
Here is a decent read up on it: https://www.linuxnest.com/what-is-an-immutable-distro
Bazzite. An immutable[1] distro pre-configured for gaming.
[1]
The root system is one image and can’t be altered.
Software is installed from a GUI software center via flatpak.
A bit like Android.Bazzite iirc
I think I just reached the point where my NixOS is configured exactly as I want, so now the system just works and works without me changing anything. 😭 I’m gonna have to start having sex since I can no longer justify it on the lack of time.
I’m gonna have to start having sex since I can no longer justify it on the lack of time.
Nix fixes that.
I hit that point, needed to add a few things and changed settings around, and everything broke. I tinker with little things way too much to use Nix.
Time to “accidentally” break something
Don’t show this image to my girlfriend
Literally me.
Which one?
Both
Is it sad that I knew at a glance what that code is doing?
Oh please. Be real. Are you sure there’s nothing in your flake to refactor or modularize? :)
Sure is, but do I wanna do it? 🤓
You mean, spend 4-6 days tearing your hair out, before landing on a solution which evaluates to literally the same output as your current version, but is 10% cleaner and more elegant?
Of course you do, after all, that satisfies that itch. Well. For a while, anyways…
Sigh… if you put it that way, I can probably take another glance through my config for that one line I can trim down.
He can upgrade from
22.05to25.11, I guess?
I‘m sure there’s a window manager you haven’t explored yet.
For sure, the thing is I’m satisfied. Like I actually am, I have the system I want, there is nothing else I’m curious to try. 😭
Congratulations. You can do actual work now.
I feared this day would come.
This is so true, and why I choose OpenSUSE
Tried that, but my autism didn’t like it.
The fact that YaST and the KDE settings had overlapping functionality, a GUI package manager frontend that shows you options you aren’t supposed to use in Tumbleweed, and it being the only modern distro that couldn’t install my printer-scanner-combo automatically drove me off.YaST is dead and kde settings overlapping? Wut?
YaST is dead?
OK it’s been a few years since I last tried OpenSUSE.Ye, its another “software-center” now called myrlyn. I still use sudo zypper for everything and I like the sudo zypper dup for updating your machine and make sure everything on both drivers and software related is updated by the distro it self, so you don’t end up with mitchmatches here and there. Also the snap funktion for rollback by default is epic.
Highly underrated distro!
Just stay on Debian and be patient for the new Plasma version. Problem solved.
Sid for life!
But GIMP just fixed the issues I was having with it, too!
Can you cherry pick the patch?
Best I can do is pepper brush it.
Come to Mint. We’re standing by X11, and Cinnamon looks better than Plasma.
Cinnamon can be installed on most mainstream distros, actually. I definitely agree that it looks better than Plasma.
I use CachyOS with Cinnamon, so…why not both?
And an older version of Xfce than Debian
Why
Because it just works. Which is what an OS and DE need to do first and foremost.
Agreed. I use Arch, Debian, and Mint with Xfce on all of them. It’s stable as a rock in every iteration.
That being said, Debian’s the distro famous for out of date packages, so its a little silly that Mint has it beat in this regard, especially when updates to everything else are much more frequent.
I also work as a sysadmin maintaining all these devices, and every time I move files between the laptops running Mint I’m confronted with Xfce’s old file transfer dialog. You’re gonna love the improvements 4.20 made when it finally hits the repos.
based.
You aren’t standing by X11, Wayland support just isn’t finished yet.
I think Cinnamon might even be one of the first desktops other than the big two that is going to be finished (more or less) with Wayland support.
Personally, I have been using window managers for years. You’d think that would make the transition easier (sway is even explicitly designed as a drop-in replaced for i3wm), but you need to configure so many of the tools around it (task/statusbar, screensaver/lockscreen, clipboard manager …) and I just couldn’t be bothered. I’m definitely past that “tinker with all the things”-stage of being a Linux user …
Well, I guess I’m not responsible for the mistakes of the devs.
🤷
For me, I always keep coming back to Arch tbh
Sometimes I get fed up with managing a whole system and once in a blue moon bricking my system on an update, but the alternatives are always worse, and with btrfs now, I don’t have to worry about the latter problem.
Nix was the closest to pulling me away. A centralized config? Beautiful. Static package store without dependency conflicts? Beautiful. Immutable applications? The WORST idea we’ve ever had as a community. For instance, imo, VS Code extensions are fundamentally incompatible with Nix. I spent weeks trying to get it to work doing multiple different things to try and hope it would work. It can’t. VS Code just has to be mutable.
Anyway so I’m back to arch and have been for over a year since I tried Nix (and before that Fedora which has its own issues). Before that I had been on Arch for 4 years.
I think I’ll stay now. It’s really the best option out there. In my mind, Arch is Linux, i.e. it’s how an OS should be built for the Linux kernel and the FOSS ecosystem, and it won’t ever be beat
But have you tried Gentoo?
Yes. I tried it for 6 months. Terrible. Takes way too long to compile
As soon as I realized distro upgrades are a minefield every time on a desktop I tried arch and never looked back. In hindsight, backports are insanity and just always using upstream is obviously the way to go. As a bonus, I can actually understand how arch is constructed when I need to because the wiki is amazing
As soon as I realized distro upgrades are a minefield every time on a desktop
How did you realize that? Hasn’t been my experience on Debian and Ubuntu at all, they always just worked for me, and that’s despite running a bunch of PPAs for GPU stuff on my Ubuntu install.
By ubuntu blowing up 3 times over a decade when I tried distro upgrade? Arch requires you to turn a wrench periodically, but keeping upgraded is nowhere as risky.
The main thing that keeps me from going back to it is how much I hate manually setting up an encrypted logical volume over multiple disks with BTRFS snapshotting.
I think Nix is better used for things like servers instead of a daily driver PC. Having to fuck with config files for my laptop/desktop would be a nightmare that I refuse to go through. I’ve been playing with Nix on a home server and I’m loving it for that. With a limited scope on what actually needs to be installed it makes managing the configs possible.
Many people do ‘config files’ with Ansible, or at least with some kinda dotfiles hosted on their Github. This way, firstly, setting up a new machine takes maybe an hour mostly because of downloading all the packages. Secondly, no need to guess what settings one has changed somewhere years ago, since they’re all written down in these files.
It’s actually very convenient if one adds things to the configs gradually when the need arises.
It makes sense if you have several computers, where you want the same setup.
I have several computers I actively use, but they all run different operating systems and different software. There’s typically a main machine, a vintage machine, and an experimental one. I like the variety.
A centralized config? Beautiful.
That can be done in regular distros with Ansible.
Idk I’ve been on Slackware for 10 years… And I’ve just ended up learning how to use the OS and change things as I please.
I love that Slackware still exists, and try every new release.
It works as a daily driver and after initial setup is less of a hassle than people think, but I also can’t really find any good reason to use it over more modern distros.Valid. I really like that the whole system is held up with a bunch of bash scripts. Which is not a plus for a lot of people.
I came up on Slackware, used it exclusively from like ‘96 - 08’. Have not touched it since. I have fond memories of debugging XFree86.conf and compiling half of what I installed from source. 🤣 This is a wild slack themed day- I just ran into a Bob Dobbs picture in the wild. 😂
A wild Bob is calling you 🤣 Tbh I’ve not debugged a config like that in so long, since like 10 and I was a wee lad. Most things just work now. I’ve also been using Wayland and pipewire.
“Step-Operating-System what are you doing!?”
